Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Last rites for $package ...

2006-09-30 Thread Thilo Bangert
Or you haven't talked to me or Beandog at all; since he has been working on this a while (now with upgraded tools!). what i'd like to see is a system, to which one would give a package name, which then handles the removal (almost) automatically. that way devs would have an easier time

[gentoo-dev] last rites for www-servers/spawn-fcgi and dev-libs/localizer

2006-09-30 Thread Thilo Bangert
the packages www-servers/spawn-fcgi and dev-libs/localizer where originally added as support for lighttpd. in the meantime lighttpd provides the same functionality and no version of lighttpd depends on these packages anymore - in fact, they block. furthermore no other package has ever

Re: [gentoo-dev] Profile masking and profiles package.mask

2006-09-30 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 06:40:07 +0200 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | This is a discussion to follow up bug #149508 [1]. https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149536#c4 -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail: ciaranm at ciaranm.org Web : http://ciaranm.org/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Profile masking and profiles package.mask

2006-09-30 Thread Jakub Moc
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 06:40:07 +0200 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | This is a discussion to follow up bug #149508 [1]. https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149536#c4 If I were you, I'd rather not mention that bug. Really don't see what you are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Profile masking and profiles package.mask

2006-09-30 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:37:59 +0200 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Additionally, it would be nice if these discussions involved | concerned arches and were not done ex post in future cases. Uh, Jakub, part of the design of the devmanual was that it would be possible for the right people to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Profile masking and profiles package.mask

2006-09-30 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Saturday 30 September 2006 14:25, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149536#c4 You bring up the point that you don't take any argument? The argument is still valid, nobody provided a reason for the change. I don't take anybody's word as a granted, so I don't care

Re: [gentoo-dev] Profile masking and profiles package.mask

2006-09-30 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:40:44 +0200 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Saturday 30 September 2006 14:25, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149536#c4 | | You bring up the point that you don't take any argument? | | The argument is still valid,

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT noise (Was: Profile masking and profiles package.mask)

2006-09-30 Thread Jakub Moc
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:37:59 +0200 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Additionally, it would be nice if these discussions involved | concerned arches and were not done ex post in future cases. Uh, Jakub, part of the design of the devmanual was that it would be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Profile masking and profiles package.mask

2006-09-30 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 06:40:07 +0200 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a discussion to follow up bug #149508 [1]. The bug points to a behaviour change in handling of the profiles file, that, in my opinion at least, needs to be discussed, as there are profiles relying

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT noise (Was: Profile masking and profiles package.mask)

2006-09-30 Thread Mike Frysinger
seriously jakub, stop responding ... you have nothing technical to offer to the issue at hand let the people who work on portage handle it -mike pgpiPg7pzkzw4.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT noise (Was: Profile masking and profiles package.mask)

2006-09-30 Thread Jakub Moc
Mike Frysinger wrote: seriously jakub, stop responding ... you have nothing technical to offer to the issue at hand let the people who work on portage handle it -mike Eh, the whole technical point here is that paludis behaviour differs from portage (and differs from pkgcore, FWIW). So,

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT noise (Was: Profile masking and profiles package.mask)

2006-09-30 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 30 September 2006 13:02, Jakub Moc wrote: Eh, the whole technical point here is that paludis behaviour differs from portage (and differs from pkgcore, FWIW). the technical point is what is the expected behavior of the packages file ... seems silly to duplicate masking across two

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT noise (Was: Profile masking and profiles package.mask)

2006-09-30 Thread Danny van Dyk
Am Samstag, 30. September 2006 19:02 schrieb Jakub Moc: Mike Frysinger wrote: seriously jakub, stop responding ... you have nothing technical to offer to the issue at hand let the people who work on portage handle it -mike Eh, the whole technical point here is that paludis behaviour

Re: [gentoo-dev] Profile masking and profiles package.mask

2006-09-30 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 30 September 2006 00:40, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: For what I can tell, the current behaviour has the advantage of providing a different masking reason for packages that are *needed to some version* for the profile to be complete, and for packages that are know not to work on

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT noise (Was: Profile masking and profiles package.mask)

2006-09-30 Thread Jakub Moc
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Saturday 30 September 2006 13:02, Jakub Moc wrote: Eh, the whole technical point here is that paludis behaviour differs from portage (and differs from pkgcore, FWIW). the technical point is what is the expected behavior of the packages file ... seems silly to

[gentoo-dev] How default route should be set by pppd

2006-09-30 Thread Alin Nastac
Hi fellow devs, I discovered that ppp-2.4.4 set a default route without a gateway. It is totally fine from IP routing point of view (the simple fact that route is through the point-to-point link is enough to know the next hop), except that openswan's %defaultroute need a default gateway in order

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-30 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 27 September 2006 03:54, Brian Harring wrote: On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 02:24:41AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: as i said, if you have changed ABI without an ABI bump, then the upstream package maintainer is screwing everyone who uses the package, not just Gentoo ... so perhaps

Re: [gentoo-dev] How default route should be set by pppd

2006-09-30 Thread Roy Marples
On Saturday 30 September 2006 18:59, Alin Nastac wrote: I discovered that ppp-2.4.4 set a default route without a gateway. It is totally fine from IP routing point of view (the simple fact that route is through the point-to-point link is enough to know the next hop), except that openswan's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: tuxracer/tuxracer-demo

2006-09-30 Thread Peter Gordon
Chris Gianelloni wrote: games-arcade/tuxracer - the last open source version of the game games-arcade/tuxracer-demo - the demo for the closed-source version Good riddance, I say. ppracer for the win! :) -- Peter Gordon (codergeek42) Gentoo Forums Global Moderator GnuPG Public Key ID:

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-30 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Sep 30, 2006 at 02:01:08PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Wednesday 27 September 2006 03:54, Brian Harring wrote: Bleh, this is getting back to exactly my point that it's unbounded resolution. To support this, every step of execution would require scanning for dangling nodes

Re: [gentoo-dev] How default route should be set by pppd

2006-09-30 Thread Alin Nastac
Roy Marples wrote: So how does that look in the routing table? default dev ppp0 scope link instead default via a.b.c.d dev ppp0. If say a DHCP client renewed it's lease and it set a new default route, would this have any effect? I guess a DHCP client would override the default route

[gentoo-dev] Re: How default route should be set by pppd

2006-09-30 Thread Sven Köhler
I discovered that ppp-2.4.4 set a default route without a gateway. It is totally fine from IP routing point of view (the simple fact that route is through the point-to-point link is enough to know the next hop), except that openswan's %defaultroute need a default gateway in order to work.

[gentoo-dev] Re: How default route should be set by pppd

2006-09-30 Thread Sven Köhler
default dev ppp0 scope link instead default via a.b.c.d dev ppp0. And? What the difference? For the P-t-P connection, there is not difference. There is only one destination, you can send the packets to: the ppp-server on the other side. Only for normal network-connections (eth0, ...), you have

[gentoo-dev] [RFC] CFLAGS paragraph for the GWN

2006-09-30 Thread Lionel Bouton
Hi, I just had an unpleasant experience with -ffast-math and GCC 4.1.1 (it borked my LDAP authentication on several systems which worked with the same CFLAGS as long as GCC 3.4.6 was used). There is a lot of material out there about CFLAGS and Gentoo (google returns 387000 pages) but what's

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] CFLAGS paragraph for the GWN

2006-09-30 Thread Ryan Hill
Lionel Bouton wrote: There are already good resources (http://gentoo-wiki.com/CFLAGS_matrix was mentioned to me by robbat2) but they may not be advertised enough. Most of the info on that page is wrong. I'd like to propose a paragraph to the GWN editor which presents some gotchas and good

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] CFLAGS paragraph for the GWN

2006-09-30 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 30 September 2006 16:35, Lionel Bouton wrote: There is a lot of material out there about CFLAGS `man gcc` always seemed fine to me in fact, lets read the -ffast-math section: -ffast-math This option should never be turned on by any -O option since it can

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] CFLAGS paragraph for the GWN

2006-09-30 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Sat, Sep 30, 2006 at 03:48:53PM -0600, Ryan Hill wrote: Lionel Bouton wrote: There are already good resources (http://gentoo-wiki.com/CFLAGS_matrix was mentioned to me by robbat2) but they may not be advertised enough. Most of the info on that page is wrong. The items on there that note

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] CFLAGS paragraph for the GWN

2006-09-30 Thread Ryan Hill
Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Sat, Sep 30, 2006 at 03:48:53PM -0600, Ryan Hill wrote: Lionel Bouton wrote: There are already good resources (http://gentoo-wiki.com/CFLAGS_matrix was mentioned to me by robbat2) but they may not be advertised enough. Most of the info on that page is wrong. The

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] CFLAGS paragraph for the GWN

2006-09-30 Thread Lionel Bouton
Mike Frysinger wrote the following on 30.09.2006 23:48 : [...] `man gcc` always seemed fine to me in fact, lets read the -ffast-math section: -ffast-math This option should never be turned on by any -O option since it can result in incorrect output for programs

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] CFLAGS paragraph for the GWN

2006-09-30 Thread Ryan Hill
Lionel Bouton wrote: I'll wait and see if other devs are aware of common CFLAGS gotchas plaguing bugzilla. Flags such as -fforce-addr and -fweb that change the way registers are handled can often cause errors when compiling hand-optimised ASM on architectures with a very limited number of

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT noise (Was: Profile masking and profiles package.mask)

2006-09-30 Thread Jochen Maes
Danny van Dyk wrote: Am Samstag, 30. September 2006 19:02 schrieb Jakub Moc: Mike Frysinger wrote: seriously jakub, stop responding ... you have nothing technical to offer to the issue at hand let the people who work on portage handle it -mike Eh, the whole technical

Re: [gentoo-dev] Profile masking and profiles package.mask

2006-09-30 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Saturday 30 September 2006 19:39, Mike Frysinger wrote: isnt that the point of putting a comment above a mask ? # this package wont work on this profile bar/foo Indeed, but the problem is that the masks are all normalised in one big mask. Which means that users might want to unmask certain

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] CFLAGS paragraph for the GWN

2006-09-30 Thread George Prowse
Lionel Bouton wrote: Hi, I just had an unpleasant experience with -ffast-math and GCC 4.1.1 (it borked my LDAP authentication on several systems which worked with the same CFLAGS as long as GCC 3.4.6 was used). There is a lot of material out there about CFLAGS and Gentoo (google returns 387000

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] CFLAGS paragraph for the GWN

2006-09-30 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Sat, Sep 30, 2006 at 04:37:05PM -0600, Ryan Hill wrote: I thought he wanted flags that broke upgrading between GCC 3.4 and 4.1. tree-loop-linear wasn't in 3.4. If you want flags that just break stuff with 4.1 you can include -ftree-vectorize. Thanks. The objective here was mainly to

[gentoo-portage-dev] globally disable use expand

2006-09-30 Thread Michiel de Bruijne
Hi guys, If I'm not mistaken, behaviour in portage changed recently. USE=-* in make.conf disabled use expand as well. Now use expand stays enabled. What is the proper way to disable it globally? I couldn't find anything in the documentation. Thanks! Regards, Michiel. --