[gentoo-dev] Re: SCM choices

2007-03-31 Thread Marijn Schouten (hkBst)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kevin F. Quinn wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:58:59 -0400 Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please, everyone, go back and read the actual *facts* that were discovered using copies of *our* repositories before going around using data from

Re: [gentoo-dev] clanlib-0.6 and friends masked for removal

2007-03-31 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On 3/31/07, Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: regardless of whether someone wishes to help fix bugs (thanks by the way), i dont think we want to unmask these Loud and clear - over. That means it's going right into my local overlay until my son eventually gets tired of playing pingus.

Re: [gentoo-dev] clanlib-0.6 and friends masked for removal

2007-03-31 Thread Wernfried Haas
On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 02:06:14PM +0200, Denis Dupeyron wrote: That means it's going right into my local overlay until my son eventually gets tired of playing pingus. Just install Doom :-] cheers, Wernfried -- Wernfried Haas (amne) - amne at gentoo dot org Gentoo Forums:

Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-31 Thread Christopher Covington
On 3/30/07, Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a good topic for the next council meeting i think would be to start up a spec of requirements that a package manager must satisfy before it'd be an official package manager for Gentoo ... off the top of my head: - the main developers need to

Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-31 Thread Andrej Kacian
On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:02:28 +0200 Christopher Covington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first condition you list is a sort of nativism that I for one would expect not to find in a successful copyleft project created on the Internet. Why should the code Gentoo uses be written by Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-31 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Sat, 2007-03-31 at 20:16 +0200, Andrej Kacian wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:02:28 +0200 Christopher Covington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first condition you list is a sort of nativism that I for one would expect not to find in a successful copyleft project created on the Internet.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-31 Thread Andrej Kacian
On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:24:03 -0400 Seemant Kulleen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The point being made, then, is that for an official package manager to exist *for Gentoo*, it needs to be under *Gentoo's* control. Well, the source is open, and there are already enough Gentoo devs working on it, so

Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-31 Thread Stephen Bennett
On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:24:03 -0400 Seemant Kulleen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To make it more clear. If the gcc developers decided to stick some malicious code into gcc, it affects the entire linux community, the entire BSD community and would take out a few other communities as well. The

[gentoo-dev] do not rely on internal variables used by portage functions

2007-03-31 Thread Mike Frysinger
we've noticed that many things in the tree abuse the fact that the portage helpers utilize environment variables to communicate ... for example, people setting DOCDESTTREE by hand rather than using `docinto` unless some one can give me a valid reason for this stuff, the plan is to fix these

[gentoo-dev] Re: [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-31 Thread Steve Long
Stephen Bennett wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:24:03 -0400 Seemant Kulleen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To make it more clear...If an official package manager is outside of Gentoo's control, and the maintainer(s) of that piece of software decide to do anything malicious (examples: inject some

Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-31 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 31 March 2007, Andrej Kacian wrote: Christopher Covington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first condition you list is a sort of nativism that I for one would expect not to find in a successful copyleft project created on the Internet. Why should the code Gentoo uses be written by

Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-31 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:24:03 -0400 Seemant Kulleen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To make it more clear. If the gcc developers decided to stick some malicious code into gcc, it affects the entire linux community, the entire BSD community and would take out a few other communities as well. The

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-31 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 23:27:19 +0100 Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen Bennett wrote: ... Gentoo developers can take the latest release of said package manager and continue development from that. That's the wonderful thing about the GPL, no? Too late for all the affected users

[gentoo-dev] Re: [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-31 Thread Steve Long
Seemant Kulleen wrote: That's uncalled for. There's no need to get nasty. I applaud your intent, but feel it would have far more effect on the atmosphere if applied to a few of your devs, rather than users who employ milder terms? It just seems knowingly unfair, and I don't believe that is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-31 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Sat, 2007-03-31 at 23:39 +0100, Steve Long wrote: Seemant Kulleen wrote: That's uncalled for. There's no need to get nasty. I applaud your intent, but feel it would have far more effect on the atmosphere if applied to a few of your devs, rather than users who employ milder terms? It

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-31 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 31 March 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too late for all the affected users tho. Point is it's a major security hole which no sane organisation would even consider for mission-critical code. These arguments are getting weaker and weaker...

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: ANN: PMS public release

2007-03-31 Thread Steve Long
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 00:21:01 +0100 Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: For the curious, Paludis non-compliance is being tracked at [2]. So far as I'm aware, there's no central list for Portage or Pkgcore non-compliance. Nice doc. I'm

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-31 Thread Michael Krelin
Michael Krelin wrote: The question is whether scripts that, say, parse emerge -pv output have to carry on working. I think this requirement would put portage itself in quite uncomfortable situation. It's a non-issue imo; it's up to script authors and maintainers (aka users) to keep up

Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-31 Thread Jan Kundrát
Seemant Kulleen wrote: The effects are far reaching and shared by everyone. If an official package manager is outside of Gentoo's control, and the maintainer(s) of that piece of software decide to do anything malicious (examples: inject some dodgy code, remove documentation, take out access

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-31 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Sunday 01 April 2007, Seemant Kulleen wrote: On Sat, 2007-03-31 at 23:39 +0100, Steve Long wrote: Seemant Kulleen wrote: That's uncalled for. There's no need to get nasty. I applaud your intent, but feel it would have far more effect on the atmosphere if applied to a few of your

[gentoo-dev] /{,usr/}bin path changed. What is the right solution for scripts?

2007-03-31 Thread Peter Volkov
Hello. Path of some utilities in coreutils-6.7-r1 changed from /usr/bin to /bin and vice versa. This cause some scripts became broken as they relied on the full path to executable. The question is: does there exist best practice on how to avoid this problem in future? Should we set some default

[gentoo-portage-dev] Gentoolkit cleanup

2007-03-31 Thread Alec Warner
I've gone ahead and ported the namespace changes for HEAD into gentoolkit so it can now import modules properly. If the new-style modules fail it will fall back to the old-n-busted import style, keeping backwards compatability for people with different portage versions. I also removed the string