Re: [gentoo-dev] Using emerge-webrsync to simplify the handbook

2012-12-01 Thread Zac Medico
On 11/30/2012 09:55 PM, Alec Warner wrote: On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: On 30/11/12 12:30 PM, Alec Warner wrote: How about we not change the docs until someone eagerly implements all the stuff you just said? Well, using emerge-webrsync for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Using emerge-webrsync to simplify the handbook

2012-12-01 Thread Richard Yao
On 11/30/2012 01:06 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: On 30/11/12 12:30 PM, Alec Warner wrote: How about we not change the docs until someone eagerly implements all the stuff you just said? Well, using emerge-webrsync for grabbing the initial snapshot during an installation still makes sense

Re: [gentoo-dev] Using emerge-webrsync to simplify the handbook

2012-12-01 Thread Richard Yao
On 11/30/2012 12:30 PM, Alec Warner wrote: How about we not change the docs until someone eagerly implements all the stuff you just said? Note that from an infra POV our existing system works fairly well and requires no day-to-day tinkering. I'm always happy to consider new options, but

[gentoo-dev] Some packages up for grabs

2012-12-01 Thread Wolfram Schlich
Hi! Feel free to take care of the following packages that I used to maintain a while ago but don't anymore due to change of interest: - RAID controller utils: sys-block/afacli(older Adaptec) sys-block/dellmgr (older Dell-branded LSI MegaRAID) sys-block/hpacucli (HP/Compaq

[gentoo-dev] net-im/skype needs a maintainer

2012-12-01 Thread Markos Chandras
Hi, net-im/skype needs a maintainer. It's currently maintained by the net-im team which is not very active. If you look at the ChangeLog you will see that for the past few years random developers are trying to keep it up to date ( and thanks for that! ). However it would be nice to find a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due lavajoe retirement

2012-12-01 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Tomáš Chvátal tomas.chva...@gmail.com wrote: Dne Pá 30. listopadu 2012 20:37:22, Pacho Ramos napsal(a): media-sound/logitechmediaserver-bin - this package is special, it's maintained by a proxy maintainer but it was reassigned to maintainer-needed instead of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due lavajoe retirement

2012-12-01 Thread Tomáš Chvátal
Dne So 1. prosince 2012 06:42:13, Rich Freeman napsal(a): On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Tomáš Chvátal tomas.chva...@gmail.com wrote: Dne Pá 30. listopadu 2012 20:37:22, Pacho Ramos napsal(a): media-sound/logitechmediaserver-bin - this package is special, it's maintained by a proxy

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due lavajoe retirement

2012-12-01 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Tomáš Chvátal tomas.chva...@gmail.com wrote: Bundling few libs and bundling 40 of them is bit of difference, will YOU do the audit? We don't require security audits for packages to be in portage. Any package can have a security problem, whether it is in a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some packages up for grabs

2012-12-01 Thread Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek)
On Dec 1, 2012 5:01 AM, Wolfram Schlich wschl...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi! Feel free to take care of the following packages that I used to maintain a while ago but don't anymore due to change of interest: sys-block/tw_cli(3ware) dev-db/mysql-proxy If you're interested in any of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some packages up for grabs

2012-12-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 01/12/2012 01:59, Wolfram Schlich wrote: - RAID controller utils: Maybe we should add sysadmin herd as fallback for these? sys-block/hpacucli(HP/Compaq Smart Array) This one I can help with in the immediate future since I have a couple of servers needing it at work. sys-process/fcron

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: new eclass - pkgconfig.eclass

2012-12-01 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 29 November 2012 23:37:18 Duncan wrote: Obviously that specific solution won't work for the multiple blas/ whatever packages, since it's single-package/multi-version specific, but is there some variant of it that could work, keeping the code out of eclasses where the

Re: [gentoo-dev] net-im/skype needs a maintainer

2012-12-01 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 01/12/12 12:55, Markos Chandras wrote: Hi, net-im/skype needs a maintainer. It's currently maintained by the net-im team which is not very active. If you look at the ChangeLog you will see that for the past few years random developers are trying to keep it up to date ( and thanks for that!

Re: [gentoo-dev] net-im/skype needs a maintainer

2012-12-01 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 01/12/12 23:50, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 01/12/12 12:55, Markos Chandras wrote: Hi, net-im/skype needs a maintainer. It's currently maintained by the net-im team which is not very active. If you look at the ChangeLog you will see that for the past few years random developers are trying to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Using emerge-webrsync to simplify the handbook

2012-12-01 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 09:35:07AM -0800, Zac Medico wrote: However, I'm not aware of gnu tar's incremental archive. If it's much faster than the above, then it should probably replace emerge-delta-webrsync. If it has benefits over the current diffball approach used by

[gentoo-dev] [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
So Thomáš posted today [1] that the new LibreOffice 4 is going to _need_ an LDAP provider in the future because they are not going to keep it optional as it is now. Right now, the only provider we have in portage (as far as me and him can tell) is openldap (although mozldap also exists). This

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due lavajoe retirement

2012-12-01 Thread Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Tomáš Chvátal schrieb: Bundling few libs and bundling 40 of them is bit of difference, will YOU do the audit? Also other teams actively work on the unbundling, while there is track of no will to actually make it buildable with system libs. Also the security is not the only problem here,

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-01 Thread Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Diego Elio Pettenò schrieb: In the mean time, I would suggest that, since the desktop profiles already have USE=ldap enabled, we should default on the same profiles to net-nds/openldap minimal to make sure that the default desktop users don't get a copy of openldap (server) installed. I

[gentoo-dev] Re: Packages up for grabs due lavajoe retirement

2012-12-01 Thread Duncan
Rich Freeman posted on Sat, 01 Dec 2012 08:46:34 -0500 as excerpted: And if we force some types of packages to be masked all the time, then what do we do if we actually need to mask them for removal or security. Users won't even realize they have a known flaw, because they had to unmask the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Packages up for grabs due lavajoe retirement

2012-12-01 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Rich Freeman posted on Sat, 01 Dec 2012 08:46:34 -0500 as excerpted: And if we force some types of packages to be masked all the time, then what do we do if we actually need to mask them for removal or security. Users won't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Packages up for grabs due lavajoe retirement

2012-12-01 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote: Look, if you want to make a policy about the stuff, then make a policy, get council approval, and write it down. Don't make up silly half-solutions. Sure, but I'm not aware of any policy at all concerning packages that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Packages up for grabs due lavajoe retirement

2012-12-01 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote: Look, if you want to make a policy about the stuff, then make a policy, get council approval, and write it down. Don't make up silly half-solutions.

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-01 Thread Duncan
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn posted on Sun, 02 Dec 2012 01:28:26 +0100 as excerpted: If this change is applied anyway, I suggest to at least produce a news item in order to not surprise users about the sudden loss of their openldap server. I wouldn't object to a news item. More information

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-01 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/01/2012 09:48 PM, Duncan wrote: Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn posted on Sun, 02 Dec 2012 01:28:26 +0100 as excerpted: If this change is applied anyway, I suggest to at least produce a news item in order to not surprise users about the sudden loss of their openldap server. I wouldn't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 01/12/2012 19:44, Michael Orlitzky wrote: Someone's going to reboot three months after this change and their whole office is going to be down while they try to figure out why they don't have an LDAP server. For even a small business, that could mean thousands of dollars. Ha ha, you

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-01 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/01/2012 10:50 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: On 01/12/2012 19:44, Michael Orlitzky wrote: Someone's going to reboot three months after this change and their whole office is going to be down while they try to figure out why they don't have an LDAP server. For even a small business, that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 01/12/2012 20:09, Michael Orlitzky wrote: The only way to know what's going on is to read the ebuild. And nobody has the time to do that for every default USE flag change, especially when you're managing multiple machines. In this case, USE=-minimal is really USE=make_it_work_at_all, for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-01 Thread Dustin C. Hatch
On 12/1/2012 22:21, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: If anything, what you just say would call for making openldap follow the 39 packages already out there using IUSE=+server, so that there is no doubt that changing the default on desktop profile from USE=-minimal to USE=-server means that _you're

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-01 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/01/2012 11:21 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: On 01/12/2012 20:09, Michael Orlitzky wrote: The only way to know what's going on is to read the ebuild. And nobody has the time to do that for every default USE flag change, especially when you're managing multiple machines. In this case,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 01/12/2012 20:50, Michael Orlitzky wrote: And most people don't even know that metadata.xml exists. But I do expect them to know `equery uses` like Dustin said. The fact that some flags are not clearly described in metadata.xml is another problem. In my previous message, I said, but you

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-01 Thread Peter Stuge
Michael Orlitzky wrote: I just get annoyed with the don't use Gentoo unless you like your stuff broken attitude. Don't confuse stuff changing with stuff breaking - they are very different things. In Gentoo stuff changes every single day. I heard that gentoo-x86 gets some number of commits per

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-01 Thread Dale
Peter Stuge wrote: Michael Orlitzky wrote: I just get annoyed with the don't use Gentoo unless you like your stuff broken attitude. Don't confuse stuff changing with stuff breaking - they are very different things. In Gentoo stuff changes every single day. I heard that gentoo-x86 gets some

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-01 Thread Dale
Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 12/01/2012 09:48 PM, Duncan wrote: Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn posted on Sun, 02 Dec 2012 01:28:26 +0100 as excerpted: If this change is applied anyway, I suggest to at least produce a news item in order to not surprise users about the sudden loss of their

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-01 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: Michael Orlitzky wrote: I just get annoyed with the don't use Gentoo unless you like your stuff broken attitude. Don't confuse stuff changing with stuff breaking - they are very different things. In Gentoo stuff changes