On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 02:20:07 + (UTC)
Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
Rich Freeman posted on Sat, 01 Dec 2012 08:46:34 -0500 as excerpted:
And if we force some types of packages to be masked all the time, then
what do we do if we actually need to mask them for removal or security.
On Sat, 01 Dec 2012 15:16:49 -0800
Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote:
So Thomáš posted today [1] that the new LibreOffice 4 is going to _need_
an LDAP provider in the future because they are not going to keep it
optional as it is now. Right now, the only provider we have in
19.11.2012 02:33, Pacho Ramos wrote:
app-misc/dailystrips
app-misc/gramps
dev-php/PEAR-PEAR
dev-php/pear
games-misc/fortune-mod-mormon
games-misc/fortune-mod-scriptures
media-libs/libbluray
media-tv/ivtv-utils
media-tv/ivtv
media-video/mplayer-resume
sys-fs/mhddfs
x11-themes/gdm-themes
Michael Orlitzky posted on Sat, 01 Dec 2012 22:44:36 -0500 as excerpted:
On 12/01/2012 09:48 PM, Duncan wrote:
So yes, a news item is reasonable as it's arguably part of that good
documentation. But in general, there's something wrong if we're
unduly worrying about loss of functionality
Michał Górny posted on Sun, 02 Dec 2012 09:35:45 +0100 as excerpted:
On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 02:20:07 + (UTC)
Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
Rich Freeman posted on Sat, 01 Dec 2012 08:46:34 -0500 as excerpted:
And if we force some types of packages to be masked all the time,
then
Duncan schrieb:
However, hasn't it always been gentoo policy to *STRONGLY* encourage
users to run emerge --pretend/--ask and EXAMINE THE RESULTS for anything
unexpected, and resolve it in one way or another to expected, before
going ahead?
Thus, anyone suddenly losing their openldap
As I was told in my recruiting process we usually don't just fix up
ebuilds of other devs unless it's trivial, very severe or something.
The usual process is nothing new: try to contact the maintainer, open a
bug, set a deadline when you will go and fix yourself.
Only question is now what is a
On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 10:21 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
Only question is now what is a sane soft limit, before you go on and fix
stuff.
From a discussion in #gentoo-dev we thought 2-4 weeks depending on the
severity of the bug is fine. Ofc this should exclude major changes or
already filed a bug, but no response so far
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78
any comments?
This is sane imo, cause some games herd developers don't agree with the
always latest EAPI thing which is no official policy anyway.
--- eclass/games.eclass
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On 02/12/2012 00:43, Michał Górny wrote:
How about splitting the ebuild into separate library and server
and fixing the deps? It would be cleaner for people, and we'd just
release a news message that those who need an LDAP server, need to put
it in their @world.
How about no? Split packages
On 12/02/2012 04:40 AM, Duncan wrote:
As others have mentioned, equery u[ses] openldap .
Does nothing in this case.
Actually, I have a bug open at this very moment about a new ambiguous USE
flag, USE=fma, in the new sci-libs/fftw-3.3.3 ebuild. My bdver1 has
fma4, but not fma3. Does
On 02/12/2012 08:02, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
I think you have Stockholm syndrome. I've updated thousands of packages
this month. I cannot do this for each one, and even if I could, there's
a huge (unnecessary) opportunity cost to doing so.
Sorry but there is no way you could have updated
On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 07:58:29 -0800
Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote:
On 02/12/2012 00:43, Michał Górny wrote:
How about splitting the ebuild into separate library and server
and fixing the deps? It would be cleaner for people, and we'd just
release a news message that those
On 02/12/2012 08:20, Michał Górny wrote:
For users? Since when a correctly split package is a pain for user?
Funny I think you would have guessed... let's say, a Poppler split that
every other update would fail in the middle leaving a system completely
unable to start a PDF viewer without
On 11/24/2012 10:12 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
# Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org (24 Nov 2012) # Upstream dead and
no longer runs (#402669). # Removal in a month app-cdr/dvd95
Bug fixed. I just ripped a DVD with dvd95 successfully.
+ 02 Dec 2012; Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org package.mask:
+
There are better ways to do this.
For example you can just grep through the configure file, not having
to invoke it, see the xorg-2.elass
Tom
2012/12/2 hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org:
already filed a bug, but no response so far
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78
any comments?
On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 08:23:30 -0800
Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote:
On 02/12/2012 08:20, Michał Górny wrote:
For users? Since when a correctly split package is a pain for user?
Funny I think you would have guessed... let's say, a Poppler split that
every other update would
2012/12/2 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org:
And when was poppler split a library/server split?
I think it was 2k8 or so, before the kde team took over its maintenance.
On 02/12/2012 08:48, Michał Górny wrote:
And when was poppler split a library/server split?
Okay, listen, I tried to tell you this, before, a number of times:
repeating your same line ad nauseam is _not_ going to convince me that
you're right.
When I'm telling you I don't like your idea, you
On 12/02/2012 11:19 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
On 02/12/2012 08:02, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
I think you have Stockholm syndrome. I've updated thousands of packages
this month. I cannot do this for each one, and even if I could, there's
a huge (unnecessary) opportunity cost to doing so.
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On 01/12/12 11:50 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
$ cat /usr/portage/net-nds/openldap/metadata.xml
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:)
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Alec Warner wrote:
Testing all the updates is basically not possible. Understanding
the updates is basically not possible.
I think it's very possible to understand updates which are important
for the system.
Of course it is a lot of work if it is to be done every day. I would
not update
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On 02/12/12 03:35 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 02:20:07 + (UTC) Duncan
1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
Rich Freeman posted on Sat, 01 Dec 2012 08:46:34 -0500 as
excerpted:
And if we force some types of packages to be masked
On Dec 2, 2012 6:09 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 10:21 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
Only question is now what is a sane soft limit, before you go on and fix
stuff.
From a discussion in #gentoo-dev we thought 2-4 weeks depending on the
Hello
Looks like cman stabilization (that is needed to stabilize newer lvm2,
that is needed to stabilize newer udev...) is blocked by its init.d
script wanting to load modules even on kernels without modules:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=442512#c5
Arch team people think that this
El dom, 02-12-2012 a las 07:58 -0800, Diego Elio Pettenò escribió:
On 02/12/2012 00:43, Michał Górny wrote:
How about splitting the ebuild into separate library and server
and fixing the deps? It would be cleaner for people, and we'd just
release a news message that those who need an LDAP
El dom, 02-12-2012 a las 11:54 -0500, Michael Orlitzky escribió:
[...]
The USE=server solution is fine with me; the whole openldap thing was
really tangential to the point I was trying to make. And for some reason
it's not as fun to argue in the morning as it is at 2am, so thanks for
working
On Sun, 2012-12-02 at 23:10 +0100, Pacho Ramos wrote:
Arch team people think that this should be handled before but... how
should it be handled?
I agree with the arch teams here. You can do something as mundane as:
if [ -e /proc/modules ]; then
COMPLICATED MODULE MADNESS
fi
Regards,
Tony
Pacho Ramos wrote:
Looks like cman stabilization (that is needed to stabilize newer lvm2,
that is needed to stabilize newer udev...) is blocked by its init.d
script wanting to load modules even on kernels without modules:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=442512#c5
Arch team people
On Sun, Dec 02, 2012 at 11:16:16PM +0100, Pacho Ramos wrote
Maybe the easiest option would be to keep current defaults and simply
include a news item when libreoffice starts to pull in openldap
on a lot of systems remembering admins that they can safely enable
minimal USE flag for openldap if
On 02/12/2012 15:34, Walter Dnes wrote:
Howsabout following the same protocol as with CXX/NOCXX? In the past,
portage would pick a default if neither was specified.
You don't know what you're talking about I'm afraid.
Before we had USE defaults (i.e. IUSE=+cxx) we had a nocxx (negative)
The attached list notes all of the packages that were added or removed
from the tree, for the week ending 2012-12-02 23h59 UTC.
Removals:
app-editors/XML-XSH 2012-11-26 04:19:46 tove
games-emulation/snes9express2012-11-29 22:18:41 mr_bones_
Additions:
Michael Orlitzky posted on Sun, 02 Dec 2012 11:02:09 -0500 as excerpted:
On 12/02/2012 04:40 AM, Duncan wrote:
As others have mentioned, equery u[ses] openldap .
Does nothing in this case.
It gives the global description, which as I said elsewhere, for a flag
that's as critical as
Ian Stakenvicius posted on Sun, 02 Dec 2012 14:18:04 -0500 as excerpted:
... a die in pkg_pretend is fails to be permitted to emerge, not
fails to build. And this would be essentially a p.mask but without it
using the portage p.mask (and its various connotations).
Exactly. =:^)
--
Duncan
Lots of people wrote:
Various good points.
Keep in mind that Gentoo users, even sysadmins, aren't expected to
read -dev. That means that when things like profile changes happen
they have no idea why, or what the impact will be.
That's why we have news. It seems like we put out all of about 3
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