Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement

2012-12-21 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Thursday, December 20, 2012 09:31:36 AM Michał Górny wrote: On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 00:27:26 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 09:13:28 AM Greg KH wrote: On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 08:21:36AM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Mon, December 17, 2012

Re: [gentoo-dev] Time based retirements

2012-12-21 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 20-12-2012 a las 21:21 -0600, Doug Goldstein escribió: I'm curious who had the brain dead idea to retire Gentoo developers that are still interested in the distro, that maintain low activity packages for herds that are stretched way too thin, and are still contributing to the distro in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Time based retirements

2012-12-21 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 20-12-2012 a las 21:21 -0600, Doug Goldstein escribió: I'm curious who had the brain dead idea to retire Gentoo developers that are still interested in the distro, that maintain low activity packages for herds that are stretched way too thin, and are still contributing to the distro in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement

2012-12-21 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Thursday, December 20, 2012 07:02:06 AM Rich Freeman wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Richard Yao r...@gentoo.org wrote: No one has proposed moving everything to /usr. At the minimum, we would still have /etc and /var in /, as well as various mountpoints. If we do move those to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Time based retirements

2012-12-21 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 20-12-2012 a las 21:30 -0800, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. escribió: On 12/20/12 7:21 PM, Doug Goldstein wrote: I'm curious who had the brain dead idea to retire Gentoo developers that are still interested in the distro, that maintain low activity packages for herds that are stretched way too

Re: [gentoo-dev] Time based retirements

2012-12-21 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 6:30 AM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.org wrote: 3. I think what's important is to keep packages maintained. I consider maintainership to be a duty, not a privilege. If someone is listed in metadata.xml, but is not really maintaining the package, that creates a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Time based retirements

2012-12-21 Thread Brian Dolbec
On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 21:30 -0800, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: On 12/20/12 7:21 PM, Doug Goldstein wrote: I'm curious who had the brain dead idea to retire Gentoo developers that are still interested in the distro, that maintain low activity packages for herds that are stretched way too thin,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement

2012-12-21 Thread Michał Górny
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:10:22 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Thursday, December 20, 2012 09:31:36 AM Michał Górny wrote: On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 00:27:26 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 09:13:28 AM Greg KH wrote: On Tue, Dec

Re: [gentoo-dev] Time based retirements

2012-12-21 Thread Markos Chandras
On 21 December 2012 03:21, Doug Goldstein car...@gentoo.org wrote: I'm curious who had the brain dead idea to retire Gentoo developers that are still interested in the distro, that maintain low activity packages for herds that are stretched way too thin, and are still contributing to the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement

2012-12-21 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Friday, December 21, 2012 09:57:25 AM Michał Górny wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:10:22 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Thursday, December 20, 2012 09:31:36 AM Michał Górny wrote: On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 00:27:26 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Time based retirements

2012-12-21 Thread Markos Chandras
On 21 December 2012 06:09, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Rich Freeman posted on Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:33:55 -0500 as excerpted: On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Doug Goldstein car...@gentoo.org wrote: I could MAYBE understand it if they're consuming some valuable resource that we need to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Time based retirements

2012-12-21 Thread Markos Chandras
On 21 December 2012 08:49, Brian Dolbec dol...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 21:30 -0800, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: On 12/20/12 7:21 PM, Doug Goldstein wrote: I'm curious who had the brain dead idea to retire Gentoo developers that are still interested in the distro, that maintain

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement

2012-12-21 Thread Michał Górny
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:24:45 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Friday, December 21, 2012 09:57:25 AM Michał Górny wrote: Just let me know when you have to maintain a lot of such systemd and upgrade, say, glibc. Then maybe you'll understand. A shared /usr means I need to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement

2012-12-21 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Friday, December 21, 2012 12:02:34 PM Michał Górny wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:24:45 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Friday, December 21, 2012 09:57:25 AM Michał Górny wrote: Just let me know when you have to maintain a lot of such systemd and upgrade, say, glibc.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement

2012-12-21 Thread Michał Górny
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:31:28 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Friday, December 21, 2012 12:02:34 PM Michał Górny wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:24:45 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Friday, December 21, 2012 09:57:25 AM Michał Górny wrote: Just let me

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement

2012-12-21 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Friday, December 21, 2012 12:42:23 PM Michał Górny wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:31:28 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Friday, December 21, 2012 12:02:34 PM Michał Górny wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:24:45 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On

Re: [gentoo-dev] Time based retirements

2012-12-21 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:21:57 + Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: Your tone is not appropriate for discussion. If you don't like the existing policy, bring it to the list with a better attitude so we can try and discuss it. But given that you want to pick a fight with your email, I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Time based retirements

2012-12-21 Thread Arun Raghavan
On 21 December 2012 17:36, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:21:57 + Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: Your tone is not appropriate for discussion. If you don't like the existing policy, bring it to the list with a better attitude so we

Re: [gentoo-dev] Time based retirements

2012-12-21 Thread Arun Raghavan
On 21 December 2012 18:02, Arun Raghavan ford_pref...@gentoo.org wrote: On 21 December 2012 17:36, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:21:57 + Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: Your tone is not appropriate for discussion. If you don't like

Re: [gentoo-dev] Time based retirements

2012-12-21 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Arun Raghavan ford_pref...@gentoo.org wrote: On 21 December 2012 17:36, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:21:57 + Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: Your tone is not appropriate for discussion. If you

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Wordiness

2012-12-21 Thread Matt Turner
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: My point is that you consistently write long essays that I, and apparently most others, don't bother to read. I'm not sure if you're aware of this. Someone said on IRC this morning in response to this thread the tragic thing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement

2012-12-21 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 21/12/12 03:10 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: An init* needs to be kept in sync with the rest of the system as well. Just to be clear, by init* you mean {initrd,initramfs} , correct? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Wordiness

2012-12-21 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Matt Turner matts...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: My point is that you consistently write long essays that I, and apparently most others, don't bother to read. I'm not sure if you're aware of this.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement

2012-12-21 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Friday, December 21, 2012 08:51:09 AM Ian Stakenvicius wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 21/12/12 03:10 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: An init* needs to be kept in sync with the rest of the system as well. Just to be clear, by init* you mean {initrd,initramfs} ,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement

2012-12-21 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: On 21/12/12 03:10 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: An init* needs to be kept in sync with the rest of the system as well. Just to be clear, by init* you mean {initrd,initramfs} , correct? Seems likely. However, for the most

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Wordiness

2012-12-21 Thread Dale
Michael Mol wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Matt Turner matts...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: My point is that you consistently write long essays that I, and apparently most others, don't bother to read. I'm not sure if you're

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement

2012-12-21 Thread Dale
J. Roeleveld wrote: On Friday, December 21, 2012 08:51:09 AM Ian Stakenvicius wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 21/12/12 03:10 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: An init* needs to be kept in sync with the rest of the system as well. Just to be clear, by init* you mean

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement

2012-12-21 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Friday, December 21, 2012 08:52:00 AM Dale wrote: J. Roeleveld wrote: On Friday, December 21, 2012 08:51:09 AM Ian Stakenvicius wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 21/12/12 03:10 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: An init* needs to be kept in sync with the rest of the

[gentoo-dev] Re: Wordiness

2012-12-21 Thread Duncan
Michael Mol posted on Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:51:09 -0500 as excerpted: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Matt Turner matts...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: My point is that you consistently write long essays that I, and apparently most

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement

2012-12-21 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Friday, December 21, 2012 09:38:36 AM Rich Freeman wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: On 21/12/12 03:10 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: An init* needs to be kept in sync with the rest of the system as well. Just to be clear, by init* you mean

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement

2012-12-21 Thread Dale
J. Roeleveld wrote: On Friday, December 21, 2012 08:52:00 AM Dale wrote: J. Roeleveld wrote: On Friday, December 21, 2012 08:51:09 AM Ian Stakenvicius wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 21/12/12 03:10 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: An init* needs to be kept in sync with the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement

2012-12-21 Thread Stelian Ionescu
On Fri, 2012-12-21 at 12:48 +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Friday, December 21, 2012 12:42:23 PM Michał Górny wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:31:28 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Friday, December 21, 2012 12:02:34 PM Michał Górny wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:24:45

Re: [gentoo-dev] Time based retirements

2012-12-21 Thread Brian Dolbec
On Fri, 2012-12-21 at 10:46 +, Markos Chandras wrote: On 21 December 2012 08:49, Brian Dolbec dol...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 21:30 -0800, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: I have several suggestions how we can improve things: 1. 3 months is too short period anyway. 2. Think

Re: [gentoo-dev] Obsolete package atoms in package.mask files

2012-12-21 Thread Sergey Popov
10.12.2012 11:05, Sergey Popov пишет: Some time ago, there was one bugreport[1] about obsolete mask entries in package.mask files in diffirent profiles. Bug is assigned to QA team, but only amd64 no-multilib profile was cleaned up, as i know. Maybe we should add arch teams, whose profiles

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement

2012-12-21 Thread J. Roeleveld
Stelian Ionescu sione...@cddr.org wrote: On Fri, 2012-12-21 at 12:48 +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Friday, December 21, 2012 12:42:23 PM Michał Górny wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:31:28 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Friday, December 21, 2012 12:02:34 PM Michał Górny

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Time based retirements

2012-12-21 Thread Peter Stuge
Markos Chandras wrote: I'm really just trying to understand the sense in this. -- Doug Goldstein Your tone is not appropriate for discussion. Sorry Markos, I disagree with you. Doug makes it abundantly clear that he wants to understand. I think we can all recognize that, in particular

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement

2012-12-21 Thread William Hubbs
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 04:04:31PM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Friday, December 21, 2012 09:38:36 AM Rich Freeman wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: On 21/12/12 03:10 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: An init* needs to be kept in sync with the rest of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Time based retirements

2012-12-21 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 21/12/2012 17:16, Peter Stuge wrote: Leave the account but simply block access. One example implementation is to move the SSH key to another location, and have a lightweight method to move it back in place, with an absolute minimum of human interaction and required time. Done. I love how

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement

2012-12-21 Thread J. Roeleveld
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: J. Roeleveld wrote: However, it is, in my opinion, a workaround for a problem that has been forced upon me. As soon as eudev is stable enough, I will dump udev. [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/441004 Strange, I use a current-stable version of genkernel, /usr is on

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement

2012-12-21 Thread William Hubbs
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 06:36:05PM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Friday, December 21, 2012 10:21:02 AM William Hubbs wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 04:04:31PM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Friday, December 21, 2012 09:38:36 AM Rich Freeman wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Ian

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement

2012-12-21 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Friday, December 21, 2012 12:20:45 PM William Hubbs wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 06:36:05PM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Friday, December 21, 2012 10:21:02 AM William Hubbs wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 04:04:31PM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Friday, December 21, 2012 09:38:36 AM

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Soliciting Feedback: Gentoo Copyright Assignments / Licensing

2012-12-21 Thread Robin H. Johnson
For further messages in this thread, please keep: Reply-To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org, gentoo-...@lists.gentoo.org On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 08:08:45PM -0800, Greg KH wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 02:32:25AM +, Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 01:16:25PM -0800, Greg KH

[gentoo-dev] sys-libs/glibc is subject to several out-of-tree licenses

2012-12-21 Thread Richard Yao
Dear Everyone, sys-libs/glibc contains LICENSE=LGPL-2, but it would appear to be subject to roughly a dozen licenses, many of which are not in the tree? http://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=blob;f=LICENSES;h=80f7f1487947f57815b9fe076fadc8c7f94eeb8e;hb=HEAD I can spot BSD-4, ISC and sun-rpc.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Soliciting Feedback: Gentoo Copyright Assignments / Licensing

2012-12-21 Thread Greg KH
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 08:17:59PM +, Robin H. Johnson wrote: For further messages in this thread, please keep: Reply-To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org, gentoo-...@lists.gentoo.org On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 08:08:45PM -0800, Greg KH wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 02:32:25AM +, Robin H.

Re: [gentoo-dev] sys-libs/glibc is subject to several out-of-tree licenses

2012-12-21 Thread Richard Yao
On 12/21/2012 03:22 PM, Richard Yao wrote: Dear Everyone, sys-libs/glibc contains LICENSE=LGPL-2, but it would appear to be subject to roughly a dozen licenses, many of which are not in the tree?

Re: [gentoo-dev] sys-libs/glibc is subject to several out-of-tree licenses

2012-12-21 Thread Ulrich Mueller
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012, Richard Yao wrote: Dear Everyone, sys-libs/glibc contains LICENSE=LGPL-2, but it would appear to be subject to roughly a dozen licenses, many of which are not in the tree?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Time based retirements

2012-12-21 Thread Peter Stuge
Markos, Markos Chandras wrote: I totally disagree with the way Doug started this thread. That's of course completely fair, but try to look beyond that, and let's focus on how we can make things better for everyone. Calling us brain dead ? Please read email even more carefully, especially

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Soliciting Feedback: Gentoo Copyright Assignments / Licensing

2012-12-21 Thread Greg KH
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 12:01:00AM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Greg KH gre...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 02:32:25AM +, Robin H. Johnson wrote: 1. Are you party to any *copyright assignment* (eg FSF copyright assignment)? You need to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Time based retirements

2012-12-21 Thread Markos Chandras
On 21 December 2012 22:50, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: Markos, [...] Maybe you can understand that there is a disconnect between what people who have no experience from what you do and what you actually do? That was certainly the case for me, and maybe also for Doug. The documentation