[gentoo-dev] Minor change in pkg-config behavior, starting with 0.28, late heads up for maintainers

2013-03-29 Thread Samuli Suominen
This is from Fedora Devel Mailing List. I found it to be news worthy also for Gentoo maintainers. So here it is: snip Remi Collet Fedora at FamilleCollet.com Thu Mar 28 10:39:52 UTC 2013 Previous versions $ echo ==$(pkg-config --cflags-only-I openssl)== == == New version $ echo

[gentoo-dev] Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Samuli Suominen
This is required for stabilizing new udev (bug #463614) And required otherwise too as people are still confused from what I have seen in forums I hope this isn't too much of an hand holding Will push it tomorrow'ish if noone complains (and fix grammar later too if required) Thanks for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Collecting items for EAPI 6

2013-03-29 Thread Tomáš Chvátal
Dne Čt 28. března 2013 19:15:59, Michał Górny napsal(a): Hello, As discussed with ulm, I'd like to start a thread for collecting initial items for EAPI 6. Preferably items which are either almost ready or are easy to implement and are non-controversial. In other words, thing which are

[gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Duncan
Samuli Suominen posted on Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:09:27 +0200 as excerpted: This feature will also replace the functionality of sys-apps/biosdevname which you should uninstall. However, you can still keep using sys-apps/biosdevname if you want. I'd suggest... This feature can optionally

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 29/03/13 12:24, Duncan wrote: Samuli Suominen posted on Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:09:27 +0200 as excerpted: This feature will also replace the functionality of sys-apps/biosdevname which you should uninstall. However, you can still keep using sys-apps/biosdevname if you want. I'd suggest...

Re: [gentoo-dev] Collecting items for EAPI 6

2013-03-29 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 28-03-2013 a las 19:15 +0100, Michał Górny escribió: Hello, As discussed with ulm, I'd like to start a thread for collecting initial items for EAPI 6. Preferably items which are either almost ready or are easy to implement and are non-controversial. In other words, thing which are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 29/03/2013 11:26, Samuli Suominen wrote: With the new predictable network interface naming scheme which upstream enabled by default you don't have to rename anymore because the names will be static and not randomly rename when you, for example, upgrade the kernel. This can be very

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 29/03/13 12:46, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: On 29/03/2013 11:26, Samuli Suominen wrote: With the new predictable network interface naming scheme which upstream enabled by default you don't have to rename anymore because the names will be static and not randomly rename when you, for example,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 29/03/2013 11:50, Samuli Suominen wrote: Not false, but configurable, and linked from the news item -- nobody stopping you from eg. using MAC addresses instead of PCI slots for defining the names, just like one would have renamed them using MAC with 70-persistent-net.rules Which I usually

[gentoo-dev] net-misc/dibbler needs a new maintainer

2013-03-29 Thread Markos Chandras
Hi, I no longer have IPv6 so I don't use this package anymore. If someone is willing to maintain it please add yourself to metadata.xml. There are currently 2 open bugs [1][2]. If a user wants to help, contact proxy-maint_at_gentoo_dot_org[3] [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=439796

Re: [gentoo-dev] Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Ulrich Mueller
On Fri, 29 Mar 2013, Samuli Suominen wrote: Title: The new default predictable network interface naming with udev This is too long. GLEP 42 says: | Title: A short (maximum 44 characters) descriptive title. Also: | The text body should be wrapped at 72 characters. Ulrich

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 29/03/13 13:01, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: On 29/03/2013 11:50, Samuli Suominen wrote: Not false, but configurable, and linked from the news item -- nobody stopping you from eg. using MAC addresses instead of PCI slots for defining the names, just like one would have renamed them using MAC

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Diego Elio Pettenò schrieb: If my desktop only has one Ethernet interface, no matter how many kernel changes happen, it'll always be eth0. That was not true with the old persistent naming. One example which we encountered in #gentoo IRC was the split between e1000 and e1000e drivers which

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 29/03/2013 12:29, Samuli Suominen wrote: One you can control, the another you can't. So still not FUD. You do not really control it any more than the kernel. The fact that me and you can edit an udev ruleset to control it, does not mean that most users see it as a black box. The news item

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 29/03/2013 12:34, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: Diego Elio Pettenò schrieb: If my desktop only has one Ethernet interface, no matter how many kernel changes happen, it'll always be eth0. That was not true with the old persistent naming. One example which we encountered in #gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 29/03/13 13:38, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: On 29/03/2013 12:29, Samuli Suominen wrote: One you can control, the another you can't. So still not FUD. You do not really control it any more than the kernel. The fact that me and you can edit an udev ruleset to control it, does not mean that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 29/03/2013 13:20, Samuli Suominen wrote: I don't agree with that, /etc/udev/rules.d and overriding udev rules is very basic administration, very basic... I'll put a bit more trust on our users. Let's agree to disagree then. To me, it's much more consistent the kernel's behaviour than these

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Michael Mol
On 03/29/2013 08:20 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 29/03/13 13:38, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: On 29/03/2013 12:29, Samuli Suominen wrote: One you can control, the another you can't. So still not FUD. You do not really control it any more than the kernel. The fact that me and you can edit an

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Freitag, 29. März 2013, 13:20:20 schrieb Samuli Suominen: On 29/03/13 13:38, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: On 29/03/2013 12:29, Samuli Suominen wrote: One you can control, the another you can't. So still not FUD. You do not really control it any more than the kernel. The fact that me

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: Not really. Every time I modified anything in there, it just took a few udev versions and suddenly I was flooded with deprecation warnings a la things work different now, find out on your own how to fix it... Not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 29/03/13 15:30, Rich Freeman wrote: On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: Not really. Every time I modified anything in there, it just took a few udev versions and suddenly I was flooded with deprecation warnings a la things work different now, find

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: What do you have there? We cover bunch of those in pkg_postinst of udev already. After a bunch of cleanup (after which I have yet to detect any problems), I have: 70-persistent-cd.rules 70-persistent-net.rules

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 29/03/13 16:35, Rich Freeman wrote: On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: What do you have there? We cover bunch of those in pkg_postinst of udev already. After a bunch of cleanup (after which I have yet to detect any problems), I have:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: Those 70-* and 80-* are in udev pkg_postinst, this news item, everywhere... can all 3 be deleted if you haven't modified them yourself. So that leaves one... local.rules... dunno about that. I'm curious. Excellent,

[gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg)
On 2013-03-29, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: On 29/03/2013 12:34, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: Diego Elio Pettenò schrieb: If my desktop only has one Ethernet interface, no matter how many kernel changes happen, it'll always be eth0. That was not true with the old

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Markos Chandras
On 29 March 2013 16:21, Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) nunojsi...@ist.utl.ptwrote: On 2013-03-29, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: On 29/03/2013 12:34, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: Diego Elio Pettenò schrieb: If my desktop only has one Ethernet interface, no matter how

Re: [gentoo-dev] Minor change in pkg-config behavior, starting with 0.28, late heads up for maintainers

2013-03-29 Thread Gilles Dartiguelongue
Le vendredi 29 mars 2013 à 08:30 +0200, Samuli Suominen a écrit : This is from Fedora Devel Mailing List. I found it to be news worthy also for Gentoo maintainers. Thanks for the heads up, it will probably save some time figuring out magic/sudden break up :)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: In my mind, the message says either remove 70-* and setup 80-* or your system will end up broken. The other bit is that modifying symlinks in /etc/init.d is only mentioned in passing. That is a VERY important step

Re: [gentoo-dev] Collecting items for EAPI 6

2013-03-29 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Donnerstag, 28. März 2013, 19:15:59 schrieb Michał Górny: Hello, As discussed with ulm, I'd like to start a thread for collecting initial items for EAPI 6. Preferably items which are either almost ready or are easy to implement and are non-controversial. In other words, thing which are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Collecting items for EAPI 6

2013-03-29 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:54:52 +0100 Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: Am Donnerstag, 28. März 2013, 19:15:59 schrieb Michał Górny: Hello, As discussed with ulm, I'd like to start a thread for collecting initial items for EAPI 6. Preferably items which are either almost

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 29/03/13 18:21, Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) wrote: On 2013-03-29, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: On 29/03/2013 12:34, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: Diego Elio Pettenò schrieb: If my desktop only has one Ethernet interface, no matter how many kernel changes happen,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Collecting items for EAPI 6

2013-03-29 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Freitag, 29. März 2013, 17:57:34 schrieb Ciaran McCreesh: [snip] /dev/null -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/

[gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg)
On 2013-03-29, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 29/03/13 18:21, Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) wrote: On 2013-03-29, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: On 29/03/2013 12:34, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: Diego Elio Pettenò schrieb: If my desktop only has one

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 I don't have enough time to go through the rest of this thread, but if the first sentence hasn't been adjusted yet: On 29/03/13 08:20 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: If you still have network interface renaming rules in /etc/udev/rules.d, like

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 29/03/2013 20:20, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: Might I recommend at least a little bit of context before going right into you have to remove these rules? IE - if a user wants to keep the old mac-based rules they already have, can't they? 80-*.rules doesn't override that now, does it? It

[gentoo-dev] licensing query : Splice

2013-03-29 Thread Philip Webb
I noticed a couple of games which have been added to the tree thought it worth giving them a try. One of them resulted in this : root:512 ~ emerge -pv games-puzzle/splice These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N F ]

Re: [gentoo-dev] licensing query : Splice

2013-03-29 Thread hasufell
On 03/29/2013 09:26 PM, Philip Webb wrote: I noticed a couple of games which have been added to the tree thought it worth giving them a try. One of them resulted in this : root:512 ~ emerge -pv games-puzzle/splice These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Re: [gentoo-dev] licensing query : Splice

2013-03-29 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: I've never seen this before in 10 years using Gentoo. Has anyone verified that Splice's licence is compatible with Gentoo ? What do you mean by compatible with Gentoo? Gentoo is not a party to the distribution or use of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Walter Dnes
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 01:38:03PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: In my mind, the message says either remove 70-* and setup 80-* or your system will end up broken. The other bit is that modifying symlinks in