Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009
On 19:33 Thu 05 Jun , Roy Bamford wrote: I don't want to nominate anyone who hasn't been nominated already. I would like to address all the candidates who have or will accept council nominations. I just got to this because I was on vacation and I've been busy getting work done since I got back. 1. Please tell us how/if you plan to fix GLEP 39. (You may not consider it broken) I think Rich Freeman made a good point -- having attendance requirements without requirements about method of notification is a problem. 2. As one of the first priorities will be setting policy for pending appeals what policy do you propose ? The one I already did propose and the council approved. 3. If you are not on the council already, how will you make time for the extra work? N/A -- although I will say that creating the agenda (with the included research) and chairing meetings is significantly more work than being any other council member at this point in time. 4. How do you think the council and trustees can work together to make Gentoo better? Not just the code base but the cooperative environment we all work together in too. Disclosure - I have a personal interest in responses as a trustee. 5. Tell us a little about yourself - the skills and experience you can bring to the council? - I stay calm under fire. - I've got extensive training in problem solving and logical thought, from programming to journalism to my in-progress biochemistry Ph.D. - Strong opinions, weakly held. - A borrowed description I really like - I write clearly and concisely. - I recently had my 5-year anniversary as a Gentoo developer, and I'm among the most active devs. 6. Tell us one outstanding (in your own mind) contribution you made to Gentoo in the last year. If your X is still running, you already know. =) Thanks, Donnie -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009
On 02:00 Thu 05 Jun , Łukasz Damentko wrote: Hi guys, Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008). I want to nominate: 1. Marijn Schouten (hkBst) 2. Ulrich Müller (ulm) -- Panagiotis Christopoulos(pchrist) -- Gentoo Lisp Project -- pgpVRFC5eSzpn.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Wed, 18 Jun 2008, Panagiotis Christopoulos wrote: I want to nominate: 1. Marijn Schouten (hkBst) 2. Ulrich Müller (ulm) I accept. Ulrich pgp4Cl437iZ97.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 14:46 +0100, Alex Howells wrote: I agree with both of these and also think both agaffney and wolf31o2 would serve us excellently on Council. Consider them nominated too :) Thanks, but I no longer have the time nor the desire to dedicate to the Council. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Games Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2008.06.06 19:27, Ferris McCormick wrote: I also nominate: NeddySeagoon Regards, Ferris -- Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer, Gentoo Linux (Devrel, Sparc, Userrel, Trustees) Ladies and Gentlemen, After a week of deliberation, I've decided to decline my council nomination. The existing council have been doing a good job and judging by Thursdays meeting have successfully addressed the meeting length problem. This election, triggered by a possible cock up can be turned to Gentoos advantage by re-electing the current council. Such a result will provide both continuity and stability which can only be good for Gentoo. If you were thinking of voting for me, please vote for the outgoing council members instead. - -- Regards, Roy Bamford (NeddySeagoon) a member of gentoo-ops forum-mods treecleaners trustees -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkhVB7QACgkQTE4/y7nJvav/igCfRw9tP05Ng8P3t5yYSHcYS1UB n4YAn11bQYnBCOw3JLO89X7DIRPg3PqB =NjNp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 02:35:16AM -0700, Josh Saddler wrote: Now that nominations are officially open, I nominate the current council members (again): amne Thanks, but not this time. cheers, Wernfried -- Wernfried Haas (amne) - amne (at) gentoo.org Gentoo Forums - http://forums.gentoo.org forum-mods (at) gentoo.org #gentoo-forums (freenode) pgpO0SHx3fMvH.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Roy Bamford wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2008.06.05 01:00, ?ukasz Damentko wrote: Hi guys, Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008). Team, I don't want to nominate anyone who hasn't been nominated already. I would like to address all the candidates who have or will accept council nominations. 1. Please tell us how/if you plan to fix GLEP 39. (You may not consider it broken) A GLEP should not be used directly to document our processes. We should rather have policy files and GLEPs should be used to make changes to those. After having written the policy file we can talk about fixing the things in there. 2. As one of the first priorities will be setting policy for pending appeals what policy do you propose ? 3. If you are not on the council already, how will you make time for the extra work? I have enough spare time for the countil. If not I'll step down as a python-team member. 4. How do you think the council and trustees can work together to make Gentoo better? Not just the code base but the cooperative environment we all work together in too. Disclosure - I have a personal interest in responses as a trustee. I think we should write a policy because I still don't understand where the trustee-domain starts and where it does intersect with the council-domain. 5. Tell us a little about yourself - the skills and experience you can bring to the council? Currently I'm studing physics at the University of Zurich, besides that I work as a CIO in a small company (~30 people). Before that I was lead of the C++ programming team in the same company for a year and I did a larger database project at the University. During my high school I was president of the students organisation for one and a half year and Co-Administrator of the IT-Team. 6. Tell us one outstanding (in your own mind) contribution you made to Gentoo in the last year. The organization of the Gentoo booths at the OpenExpo Zurich and Bern. The transition to the new slotted PostgreSQL ebuilds. Any candidate who does not have time/interest to prepare a manifesto addressing the above and anything else they want to say to the electorate will have a hard time convincing me that they have the time/ interest to undertake the duties of a council member. I look forward to seeing links to your manifestos on http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/voting-logs/council-2008- nominees.xml Stay tuned :-) -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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On Thursday 05 June 2008 02:00:21 Łukasz Damentko wrote: Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008). I would like to nominate Piotr Jaroszyński (peper). -- Bo Andresen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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Roy Bamford wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2008.06.05 01:00, ?ukasz Damentko wrote: Hi guys, Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008). Team, I don't want to nominate anyone who hasn't been nominated already. I would like to address all the candidates who have or will accept council nominations. 1. Please tell us how/if you plan to fix GLEP 39. (You may not consider it broken) a) A GLEP 39 is a proposal to do/implement something and should not be used as a way to finally document something. So, if we want to fix it, we should write down a new GLEP replacing GLEP 39 and then write that information down where it belongs to: in proj/en/council (and/or the developer handbook) b) Reading GLEP 1 you'll see that there are only two types of GLEPs: Standards Track and Informational. One is for technical stuff and the other for organizational, but: Informational GLEPs do not necessarily represent a Gentoo Linux community consensus or recommendation, so users and implementors are free to ignore Informational GLEPs or follow their advice. So we either have to stop using GLEPs for such kind of rules/definitions OR redefine how GLEPs should be used properly for changing organizational processes. We should finally stop doing cosmetic changes or we will forever struggle with outside people who know our rules better than we and as a result waste our time and energy and block our processes. Cheers, Tiziano -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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Vlastimil Babka wrote: I'd like to nominate: armin76 (Raúl Porcel) And i reject :) -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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I completely agree. Few people have done more behind the scenes as Roy. I would also like to nominate zmendico for his excellent work with portage. I agree with both of these and also think both agaffney and wolf31o2 would serve us excellently on Council. Consider them nominated too :) Alex -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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Alex Howells [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I wish to nominate a couple more people: Halcy0n tsunam solar robbat2 KingTaco All of whom should do a fine job, IMO. Thanks. I accept my nomination. My platform is pretty simple, I want Gentoo to get back to doing fun and innovative things. If you are also sick of all of the politics and want to take the no bullshit approach, that's what I want to try to achieve. We are all volunteers and there is no reason to needlessly troll or bash other people's work. -- Mark Loeser email - halcy0n AT gentoo DOT org email - mark AT halcy0n DOT com web - http://www.halcy0n.com pgp9jR4fBDVm7.pgp Description: PGP signature
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 09:45:53 +0200 Tiziano Müller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roy Bamford wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2008.06.05 01:00, ?ukasz Damentko wrote: Hi guys, Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008). Team, I don't want to nominate anyone who hasn't been nominated already. I would like to address all the candidates who have or will accept council nominations. 1. Please tell us how/if you plan to fix GLEP 39. (You may not consider it broken) a) A GLEP 39 is a proposal to do/implement something and should not be used as a way to finally document something. So, if we want to fix it, we should write down a new GLEP replacing GLEP 39 and then write that information down where it belongs to: in proj/en/council (and/or the developer handbook) b) Reading GLEP 1 you'll see that there are only two types of GLEPs: Standards Track and Informational. One is for technical stuff and the other for organizational, but: Informational GLEPs do not necessarily represent a Gentoo Linux community consensus or recommendation, so users and implementors are free to ignore Informational GLEPs or follow their advice. So we either have to stop using GLEPs for such kind of rules/definitions OR redefine how GLEPs should be used properly for changing organizational processes. We should finally stop doing cosmetic changes or we will forever struggle with outside people who know our rules better than we and as a result waste our time and energy and block our processes. Cheers, Tiziano GLEP 39 is informational in that it describes council+policy. The actual policy was established in 2005 in a vote by the developer community. Thus, changes to the GLEP should be only to clarify actual policy (and I don't know where it is written down. I remember the vote, but don't know who controls the actual policy document). I believe that policy changes would require another vote; GLEP 39 changes should not change policy. At least, that is my recollection and understanding. -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list Regards, Ferris - -- Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer, Gentoo Linux (Sparc, Devrel, Userrel, Trustees) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkhKs6IACgkQQa6M3+I///cUywCghnDT7JgB9ngb44H90SKK51IX 1FgAoJMjiAu8h5fJArjSSselZ33Xxjd4 =Lq9L -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009
Vlastimil Babka wrote: I'd like to nominate: zmedico (Zac Medico) Seconded. -Joe -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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I nominate: dev-zero dirtyepic zmedico -- Mark Loeser email - halcy0n AT gentoo DOT org email - mark AT halcy0n DOT com web - http://www.halcy0n.com pgpjvCUmiFCFy.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On 02:35 Thu 05 Jun , Josh Saddler wrote: Now that nominations are officially open, I nominate the current council members (again): dberkholz Yes. I'd like to continue trying to make the council more effective. Thanks, Donnie -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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Ferris McCormick [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:37:21 +: 2. As one of the first priorities will be setting policy for pending appeals what policy do you propose ? I'd also add two new requirements: 1. Any appeal must be heard and decided within xxx days; Not to seem disrespectful, but Or what? Seriously, or the appeal automatically succeeds.? Or, or the appeal automatically fails.? Does it matter what the appeal is (the scope of the question wasn't limited to the current situation, so the answer must apply in broad scope as well)? I'd urge being careful here, because it a similar failure to spell out the details that triggered what amounted to a bit of a constitutional crisis, tho the worst now seems past, I believe with the correct decision being made. (My thanks to all involved.) So the or what matters, as does the scope, which is why I'm asking about it. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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Fri, 6 Jun 2008 01:48:03 +0100 Richard Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti: On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Josh Saddler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Łukasz Damentko wrote: Hi guys, Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008). Now that nominations are officially open, I nominate the current council members (again): This was the first of many nominations for the incumbent council that gave no reason as to why they should be voted for in this election, as several of them have accepted their nominations with no further qualification, and flameeyes seems to think himself above having to justify why he should be elected, so I provide, for your entertainment, the following blog posts: That's right. When a developer has certain amount of technical and /non-trivial/ commits to the tree why should he explain himself over and over again? Please, don't waste time of developers on nonsense politics. Thanks, Samuli -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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After having written this, I realized I might be telegraphing a bit too much in places. So take the amplifications for what they are worth. They are more lawyer like than my original response, but I don't see how to put them into a manifesto. On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 01:37 +, Ferris McCormick wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:33:34 +0100 Roy Bamford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2008.06.05 01:00, Łukasz Damentko wrote: Hi guys, Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008). Team, I don't want to nominate anyone who hasn't been nominated already. I would like to address all the candidates who have or will accept council nominations. 1. Please tell us how/if you plan to fix GLEP 39. (You may not consider it broken) Mostly it's not broken. However, I think the intent of the rule If any meeting has less than 50% attendance by council members,... is to prevent the council from meeting without a quorum. If at a meeting they don't have a quorum and thus don't meet, I'd consider that to be a non-meeting and treat those who did not make it just as absent under normal meeting rules. And the bit about hearing appeals assumes that devrel initiated the disciplinary action being appealed. I'd make it explicit that Council is not itself a disciplinary body --- resolving conflicts is what devrel is for among other things. 2. As one of the first priorities will be setting policy for pending appeals what policy do you propose ? Any developer making an appeal would explain why the appeal should be successful using any information he chooses, then Council would decide (deny, grant on the merits, grant on procedural grounds, whatever). I'd also add two new requirements: 1. Any appeal must be heard and decided within xxx days; 2. Any Council member who is on record as to the merits of the action being appealed could not take part in the appeal process unless the developer making the appeal allows it. Probably this would mean a discussion between that developer and the Council. Of course Council members have opinions of devrel actions, but I think it creates a potential conflict of interest if they broadcast them. Plus a few more: 3. When I say explains I mean publicly on IRC; 4. And the explanation is a dialogue --- people may ask questions of each other, request further information, and so on. 5. Procedural grounds refers to failure to follow procedure, not letting the developer appealing know what he's done to merit the discipline, not giving the developer an opportunity to respond, and such like. 6. I don't see much merit in giving devrel a role in the appeal. Whatever they have done should already have been documented. However in any specific appeal, Council should have the option to involve devrel. 3. If you are not on the council already, how will you make time for the extra work? I already have the time, really. Although I am a member of several projects in Gentoo, right now only Trustees require much time. 4. How do you think the council and trustees can work together to make Gentoo better? Not just the code base but the cooperative environment we all work together in too. Disclosure - I have a personal interest in responses as a trustee. I'm already a trustee, so having a council member who is a trustee is a start. Trustees and Council together are responsible for the smooth working of Gentoo, but with largely complementary areas of authority. So I think the two groups should begin by looking for places they both can usefully contribute and work to put cooperation there in place (Code of Conduct comes to mind because it applies to the entire community but Council is pretty much limited to developers). Then set out to put such cooperation in place. There's a lot of hand-waving in that statement because I don't have any specific mechanism for carrying it out in mind. Another idea is to sit down and look at just what Gentoo's business model is. We know there is one because the Foundation owns things like trademarks or funds (as it must because you have to have some sort of legal entity in place to do that). But the Foundation is not much involved directly in performing technical guidance, say (although I can think of cases where it might be). I personally think it makes sense to look at bringing the two closer together to look more like a traditional business (although this is perhaps a minority view). For our continued health I think we have to work toward this goal. This is badly stated. Perhaps it would help if I mentioned that in my view, Gentoo exists for its community, not just for the developers. 5. Tell us a little about yourself - the skills and experience you can bring to the council?
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On 13:32 Fri 06 Jun , Ferris McCormick wrote: On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 01:37 +, Ferris McCormick wrote: And the bit about hearing appeals assumes that devrel initiated the disciplinary action being appealed. I'd make it explicit that Council is not itself a disciplinary body --- resolving conflicts is what devrel is for among other things. Yes, that is one thing devrel does. Devrel's authority to do this is delegated from the council, so it is also within the council's abilities if the council sees such action as necessary but not happening. Thanks, Donnie -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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Ferris McCormick wrote: I also nominate: NeddySeagoon Regards, Ferris I completely agree. Few people have done more behind the scenes as Roy. I would also like to nominate zmendico for his excellent work with portage. George -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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Łukasz Damentko wrote: Hi guys, Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008). Now that nominations are officially open, I nominate the current council members (again): amne betelgeuse dberkholz flameeyes jokey lu_zero vapier signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On 05-06-2008 02:35:16 -0700, Josh Saddler wrote: Now that nominations are officially open, I nominate the current council members (again): I nominate: dertobi123 fmccor -- Fabian Groffen Gentoo on a different level -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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Fabian Groffen wrote: On 05-06-2008 02:35:16 -0700, Josh Saddler wrote: Now that nominations are officially open, I nominate the current council members (again): I nominate: dertobi123 Though I'm in favor of just re-electing the current council members as they did a very good job in general, I'm going to accept your nomination and run again for the council. My manifesto is (still) available at http://www.scherbaum.info/~tobias/manifesto Thanks! Tobias -- Gentoo Linux - Die Metadistribution http://www.mitp.de/1769 signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'll try again. :) I nominate rane welp zlin Regards, Ferris - -- Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer, Gentoo Linux (Sparc, Devrel, Userrel, Trustees) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkhIIyMACgkQQa6M3+I///fb8wCg3rF3Nxt2FFmkZsxayZcCdMOF Y0QAoLZ8Dp8e1toTjAqL9uqBnOtQK8k5 =gKUy -END PGP SIGNATURE- éí¢^¾X¬¶È Ú(¢¸j)b b²
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:44:19 +0200 Fabian Groffen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 05-06-2008 02:35:16 -0700, Josh Saddler wrote: Now that nominations are officially open, I nominate the current council members (again): I nominate: dertobi123 fmccor OK, I'll accept, if only because I think generally people who are nominated should accept. -- Fabian Groffen Gentoo on a different level -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list Regards, Ferris - -- Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer, Gentoo Linux (Sparc, Devrel, Userrel, Trustees) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkhII+QACgkQQa6M3+I///dZLQCfbst4emnsbarb2ovS4j90XXqj AZUAoJ1P8vQzSeAR4vsEtlMWi1LCRF14 =sOBA -END PGP SIGNATURE- éí¢^¾X¬¶È Ú(¢¸j)b b²
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I nominate everyone on the current Council and/or second anyone else nominating them :) -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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Roy Bamford [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. Please tell us how/if you plan to fix GLEP 39. (You may not consider it broken) Need to address better when a meeting is considered official (right now it's not addressed at all, so anything is better), for the rest is fine as it is. 2. As one of the first priorities will be setting policy for pending appeals what policy do you propose ? Council handles appeals, there's no conflict of interests: who gets voted in is already known to not be entirely impartial and/or being in charge of other decsion-making teams. 4. How do you think the council and trustees can work together to make Gentoo better? Not just the code base but the cooperative environment we all work together in too. Disclosure - I have a personal interest in responses as a trustee. Staying independent one of the other, with no hierarchical relationship one way or the other. 5. Tell us a little about yourself - the skills and experience you can bring to the council? If you know me you know what I do, if you don't, I suggest just looking at my blog (http://blog.flameeyes.eu/) there it's all you have to know, and probably something you don't care about. 6. Tell us one outstanding (in your own mind) contribution you made to Gentoo in the last year. Last year? Being a council member already, I'd say. Any candidate who does not have time/interest to prepare a manifesto addressing the above and anything else they want to say to the electorate will have a hard time convincing me that they have the time/ interest to undertake the duties of a council member. You might want to revisit your ideas, unless you expect next council elections to require primaries first. I sincerely don't want to spend time to rewrite this as a manifesto because it makes really not much sense. I don't take an opinion _just_ for the election, my opinions are open to anybody to see. And I did have time and interest in stayin in the council for two terms already. With all sincerity, your threat makes me want to puke: if we're being forced to write manifestos, I might just as well reject my nomination, as I find that just useless bureaucracy. And no I won't be wearing a Gentoo logo pin on my lapel. -- Diego Flameeyes Pettenò http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ pgpTH5y8bbTuP.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:54:23 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò) wrote: 6. Tell us one outstanding (in your own mind) contribution you made to Gentoo in the last year. Last year? Being a council member already, I'd say. What did you achieve as a council member? -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Josh Saddler wrote: Łukasz Damentko wrote: Hi guys, Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008). Now that nominations are officially open, I nominate the current council members (again): lu_zero Thank you, I accept. lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo Council Member Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:54:23 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò) wrote: 6. Tell us one outstanding (in your own mind) contribution you made to Gentoo in the last year. Last year? Being a council member already, I'd say. What did you achieve as a council member? Please take this off list. This is by no means technical or has any application to the nomination process. -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:35:16 -0700 Josh Saddler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that nominations are officially open, I nominate the current council members (again): amne betelgeuse dberkholz flameeyes jokey lu_zero vapier As per GLEP 39, I'd like all of the above to justify their slackerness. Once the above people accept their nominations and present the platforms they are running on, you can bring these points up. But until that point, this is a simple nomination process and as such this is unrelated so please take it off list. -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009
Josh Saddler kirjoitti: Łukasz Damentko wrote: Hi guys, Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008). Now that nominations are officially open, I nominate the current council members (again): amne betelgeuse dberkholz flameeyes jokey lu_zero vapier Thanks. I accept. Regards, Petteri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Count me in. I don't really know whether or not to write a manifesto as such... I mean, it's obviously good to know what the person who you're voting for wants to do, but... All the nominees are just going to write about the latest and greatest issues (see my old manifesto). But I'm generally about openness and keeping everything open, plain and simple. I don't want rules which can easily be manipliated by a select few so they can achieve their own ends. I want rules which can be taken at face value, and I guess that's what I'd do to fix GLEP whatever. I can't remember what else I was supposed to write about, and I don't really want to open up NeddySeagoon's email to do so, since it probably won't make much of a difference... These things seem to be a case of I like the way you think, I want you in, I'll vote for you. If you like the way I think, you'll probably know it already, and you won't need some manifesto to confirm it. So. I'll leave this email at this, and let you make up your own minds. If any of you election officials want to make this my manifesto, feel free to do so. welp On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 17:32 +, Ferris McCormick wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'll try again. :) I nominate rane welp zlin Regards, Ferris - -- Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer, Gentoo Linux (Sparc, Devrel, Userrel, Trustees) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkhIIyMACgkQQa6M3+I///fb8wCg3rF3Nxt2FFmkZsxayZcCdMOF Y0QAoLZ8Dp8e1toTjAqL9uqBnOtQK8k5 =gKUy -END PGP SIGNATURE- ^X (j)b b -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009
Roy Bamford wrote: On 2008.06.05 01:00, Aukasz Damentko wrote: Hi guys, Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008). Team, I don't want to nominate anyone who hasn't been nominated already. I would like to address all the candidates who have or will accept council nominations. 1. Please tell us how/if you plan to fix GLEP 39. (You may not consider it broken) Alone you cannot do anything. Still I found that there are some parts unspecified like how many meetings and how a meeting has to be announced to be considered official that should be clarified. 2. As one of the first priorities will be setting policy for pending appeals what policy do you propose ? No changes are required in my opinion. 4. How do you think the council and trustees can work together to make Gentoo better? Trustees manage a local entity located in the USA, the council should manage Gentoo as whole. Can they work together to improve Gentoo? Well EVERY developer and to a minor degree every member of the Gentoo community should work together to improve Gentoo, usually do what's within their role. The foundation has to make sure our intellectual property won't get abused in the USA, has to defend our trademark and cope with the bureaucracy related. The Council has to forster activities within Gentoo, to solve deadlocks in discussions by having the last say. My old manifesto is still valid =) lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo Council Member Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Josh Saddler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Łukasz Damentko wrote: Hi guys, Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008). Now that nominations are officially open, I nominate the current council members (again): This was the first of many nominations for the incumbent council that gave no reason as to why they should be voted for in this election, as several of them have accepted their nominations with no further qualification, and flameeyes seems to think himself above having to justify why he should be elected, so I provide, for your entertainment, the following blog posts: Gentoo Council Attendance: An attempt to analyze council attendance over the last eight months. http://arbearohen.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/gentoo-council-attendance/ A Council of Successes: An attempt to analyze what the incumbent council have achieved during their tenure. http://arbearohen.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/a-council-of-successes/ -- Richard Brown éí˘^žXŹśČ Ú(˘¸j)b b˛
Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:33:34 +0100 Roy Bamford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2008.06.05 01:00, Łukasz Damentko wrote: Hi guys, Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008). Team, I don't want to nominate anyone who hasn't been nominated already. I would like to address all the candidates who have or will accept council nominations. 1. Please tell us how/if you plan to fix GLEP 39. (You may not consider it broken) Mostly it's not broken. However, I think the intent of the rule If any meeting has less than 50% attendance by council members,... is to prevent the council from meeting without a quorum. If at a meeting they don't have a quorum and thus don't meet, I'd consider that to be a non-meeting and treat those who did not make it just as absent under normal meeting rules. 2. As one of the first priorities will be setting policy for pending appeals what policy do you propose ? Any developer making an appeal would explain why the appeal should be successful using any information he chooses, then Council would decide (deny, grant on the merits, grant on procedural grounds, whatever). I'd also add two new requirements: 1. Any appeal must be heard and decided within xxx days; 2. Any Council member who is on record as to the merits of the action being appealed could not take part in the appeal process unless the developer making the appeal allows it. Probably this would mean a discussion between that developer and the Council. Of course Council members have opinions of devrel actions, but I think it creates a potential conflict of interest if they broadcast them. 3. If you are not on the council already, how will you make time for the extra work? I already have the time, really. Although I am a member of several projects in Gentoo, right now only Trustees require much time. 4. How do you think the council and trustees can work together to make Gentoo better? Not just the code base but the cooperative environment we all work together in too. Disclosure - I have a personal interest in responses as a trustee. I'm already a trustee, so having a council member who is a trustee is a start. Trustees and Council together are responsible for the smooth working of Gentoo, but with largely complementary areas of authority. So I think the two groups should begin by looking for places they both can usefully contribute and work to put cooperation there in place (Code of Conduct comes to mind because it applies to the entire community but Council is pretty much limited to developers). Then set out to put such cooperation in place. There's a lot of hand-waving in that statement because I don't have any specific mechanism for carrying it out in mind. Another idea is to sit down and look at just what Gentoo's business model is. We know there is one because the Foundation owns things like trademarks or funds (as it must because you have to have some sort of legal entity in place to do that). But the Foundation is not much involved directly in performing technical guidance, say (although I can think of cases where it might be). I personally think it makes sense to look at bringing the two closer together to look more like a traditional business (although this is perhaps a minority view). For our continued health I think we have to work toward this goal. 5. Tell us a little about yourself - the skills and experience you can bring to the council? I've been around for a long time in the business world as a developer, manager, and lawyer. (I might actually be Gentoo's oldest developer.) I've been a Gentoo developer for a bit more than 4 years. In Gentoo I'm sparc (architecture) lead, a trustee, and a member of devrel and userrel. I am no longer all that strong technically, but I think I have a pretty good feel for how the software development process works. And both within Gentoo and in the real world I have spent a lot of time working with people in areas like mediation or management. So I guess I'd say I'm a people oriented person with a reasonable understanding of the development process, but certainly not Gentoo's strongest technical person. 6. Tell us one outstanding (in your own mind) contribution you made to Gentoo in the last year. I am happiest with my part in making the Foundation legal again. I was elected sparc lead and elected to the trustees, but I hardly view those as contributions. Any candidate who does not have time/interest to prepare a manifesto addressing the above and anything else they want to say to the electorate will have a hard time convincing me that they have the time/ interest to undertake the duties of a council member. I look forward to seeing links to your manifestos on http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/voting-logs/council-2008-
