Re: [gentoo-dev] Please use eselect news items!
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Dale wrote: I would like to see what you guys think about a small feature. Is there a way to put a number next to each item and then we can select by the number instead of typing the LONG name for the item? Sort of like gcc-config -l does its listing and you can set with the appropriate number. This would save time and some typing and seems like something that would be fairly easy to do. Already done. ;-) Try eselect news-tng that comes with =eselect-1.1. Ulrich
Re: [gentoo-dev] Please use eselect news items!
Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Dale wrote: I would like to see what you guys think about a small feature. Is there a way to put a number next to each item and then we can select by the number instead of typing the LONG name for the item? Sort of like gcc-config -l does its listing and you can set with the appropriate number. This would save time and some typing and seems like something that would be fairly easy to do. Already done. ;-) Try eselect news-tng that comes with =eselect-1.1. Ulrich Dang. No wonder I am so poor. I always come up with something that is already done. THAT little feature is so cool. Now to remember it. :/ Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-dev] Please use eselect news items!
AllenJB wrote: As a user, I'd like to encourage developers to make use of news items (eselect news) for important changes. 2 recent changes I would suggest having news items for are the libpcre .la files issue, because it often doesn't get noticed until later when builds fail, and the masking of the kdeprefix use flag as this is a fairly major change and I think it's useful for users to know why these changes are being made. I wholeheartedly agree. Such fairly invasive changes should be brought to the attention of our users by the best means available, which certainly includes the eselect news method. I am of the opinion it was a fairly serious failure not to do so in both cases Allen mentioned. Please think of the users and inform them! Cheers, Ben
Re: [gentoo-dev] Please use eselect news items!
On 25-06-2009 22:57:08 +0100, AllenJB wrote: As a user, I'd like to encourage developers to make use of news items (eselect news) for important changes. I find them much more noticeable than elog messages (which, while I have set them up so they get emailed to me, I admit I don't always read). I think they're also easier to go back and re-read later (not everyone knows how to dig out old elog messages). Maybe we should make an option to have portage not notice you of new news messages until you have read it to make the feature more popular. I personally felt after the java-config news message that it's more of a bugger than a help, since I have many systems, and on all of them I had to read it to get rid of the waiting news message. And no, excluding them in the rsync sync is not the option, as I want to be able to read them if I don't recall the details any more... just my 2 cents why I am avoiding adding news messages these days -- Fabian Groffen Gentoo on a different level
Re: [gentoo-dev] Please use eselect news items!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Fabian Groffen wrote: On 25-06-2009 22:57:08 +0100, AllenJB wrote: As a user, I'd like to encourage developers to make use of news items (eselect news) for important changes. I find them much more noticeable than elog messages (which, while I have set them up so they get emailed to me, I admit I don't always read). I think they're also easier to go back and re-read later (not everyone knows how to dig out old elog messages). Maybe we should make an option to have portage not notice you of new news messages until you have read it to make the feature more popular. Seem like that will mostly defeat the purpose since you'll probably forget you set that option and then miss future news items. Shrug, we can do it if there's demand for it though. - -- Thanks, Zac -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkpFIS8ACgkQ/ejvha5XGaMvGQCfT3ISYyNwD6woPA7DdSO82P4P jRUAn18+6QVcVyroCgOS/5UboiVgE+Te =Ph9j -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] Please use eselect news items!
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Fabian Groffengrob...@gentoo.org wrote: On 25-06-2009 22:57:08 +0100, AllenJB wrote: As a user, I'd like to encourage developers to make use of news items (eselect news) for important changes. I find them much more noticeable than elog messages (which, while I have set them up so they get emailed to me, I admit I don't always read). I think they're also easier to go back and re-read later (not everyone knows how to dig out old elog messages). Maybe we should make an option to have portage not notice you of new news messages until you have read it to make the feature more popular. I personally felt after the java-config news message that it's more of a bugger than a help, since I have many systems, and on all of them I had to read it to get rid of the waiting news message. Well that how it was designed ;) But seriously if you have N machines of the same config; it would make sense to just turn off or ignore notifications on N-1 machines and just always read news on one machine (maybe the canary machine). But if they all have different configs and installed packages; turning off notifications could be dangerous ;) -A And no, excluding them in the rsync sync is not the option, as I want to be able to read them if I don't recall the details any more... just my 2 cents why I am avoiding adding news messages these days -- Fabian Groffen Gentoo on a different level
Re: [gentoo-dev] Please use eselect news items!
AllenJB wrote: Hi all, As a user, I'd like to encourage developers to make use of news items (eselect news) for important changes. I find them much more noticeable than elog messages (which, while I have set them up so they get emailed to me, I admit I don't always read). I think they're also easier to go back and re-read later (not everyone knows how to dig out old elog messages). 2 recent changes I would suggest having news items for are the libpcre .la files issue, because it often doesn't get noticed until later when builds fail, and the masking of the kdeprefix use flag as this is a fairly major change and I think it's useful for users to know why these changes are being made. Another case is that prior to it's masking, the kdeprefix use flag was deprecated, with only an elog message on every kde package to notify users, resulting in users who have their elog messages emailed to them receiving a very large number of emails all with the same content - I would also suggest news items in such cases in future. Thanks to all the developers who worked to bring us this long awaited feature - I think it's brilliant, so please use it! AllenJB I would like to see what you guys think about a small feature. Is there a way to put a number next to each item and then we can select by the number instead of typing the LONG name for the item? Sort of like gcc-config -l does its listing and you can set with the appropriate number. This would save time and some typing and seems like something that would be fairly easy to do. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-dev] Please use eselect news items!
Hi all, As a user, I'd like to encourage developers to make use of news items (eselect news) for important changes. I find them much more noticeable than elog messages (which, while I have set them up so they get emailed to me, I admit I don't always read). I think they're also easier to go back and re-read later (not everyone knows how to dig out old elog messages). 2 recent changes I would suggest having news items for are the libpcre .la files issue, because it often doesn't get noticed until later when builds fail, and the masking of the kdeprefix use flag as this is a fairly major change and I think it's useful for users to know why these changes are being made. Another case is that prior to it's masking, the kdeprefix use flag was deprecated, with only an elog message on every kde package to notify users, resulting in users who have their elog messages emailed to them receiving a very large number of emails all with the same content - I would also suggest news items in such cases in future. Thanks to all the developers who worked to bring us this long awaited feature - I think it's brilliant, so please use it! AllenJB
