Re: [gentoo-dev] Trivial commit reviews

2007-09-24 Thread Matti Bickel
Mike Doty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Donnie Berkholz wrote:
 Over time, the number of these simple reviews should go dramatically down 
 so it no longer bothers anyone to see them. If it doesn't, that means some 
 of our developers aren't learning or paying attention, and we should take 
 a closer look at whether they should remain developers.

 My concern is that if we flood -dev with trivial commit problems then 
 more people will stop watching -dev and/or resort to killfiles or other 
 filtering.  While I do agree with Donnies assessment, my concern is that 
 over a longer time period, it might have a negative effect.

I totally agree with Donnie here. Please keep up the work, everybody
should be encouraged to fix these (trivial) problems. I sincerly hope
that these message will not have to continue for long. But as long as
they do, they serve as a big reminder in your inbox of what is wrong.

Just my 0.02$
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Trivial commit reviews

2007-09-24 Thread Rémi Cardona
Matti Bickel wrote:
 I totally agree with Donnie here. Please keep up the work, everybody
 should be encouraged to fix these (trivial) problems. I sincerly hope
 that these message will not have to continue for long. But as long as
 they do, they serve as a big reminder in your inbox of what is wrong.

+1, I've already learned or re-learned some very useful stuff.

/me will keep reading those ebuild reviews.

Rémi
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Trivial commit reviews

2007-09-23 Thread Mike Doty

Donnie Berkholz wrote:
Mike Doty (KingTaco) just told me I could stop sending reviews to -dev 
that are just about adding quotes or other trivial issues that come up 
over and over. I'm going to tell you why it's still a good thing.


First, where one problem lurks, others often do too. In code with such 
simple problems, it's likely that more complex problems also exist. 
Getting more eyes on problematic code of any sort can help find them.


Second, as we've already seen, no one developer is familiar with all the 
code. Both Mike Frysinger and Daniel Drake have responded to some of my 
reviews, pointing out further problems with the same code.


Third, by continuing to post these reviews, it should become obvious to 
_all_ developers that they should be checking for them _before_ 
committing instead of waiting for a review.


Over time, the number of these simple reviews should go dramatically 
down so it no longer bothers anyone to see them. If it doesn't, that 
means some of our developers aren't learning or paying attention, and we 
should take a closer look at whether they should remain developers.


Thanks,
Donnie
My concern is that if we flood -dev with trivial commit problems then 
more people will stop watching -dev and/or resort to killfiles or other 
filtering.  While I do agree with Donnies assessment, my concern is that 
over a longer time period, it might have a negative effect.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Trivial commit reviews

2007-09-23 Thread Thilo Bangert
i am all for the 'trivial' review. as i am not on the commit list, 
however, i can't tell whether this acutally helps. 

do people fix the stuff that is pointed out to them?

also, perhaps the more common ones should additionally be converted to 
repoman tests, if that is feasable.

kind regards
Thilo




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Re: [gentoo-dev] Trivial commit reviews

2007-09-23 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 06:22 Mon 24 Sep , Thilo Bangert wrote:
 do people fix the stuff that is pointed out to them?

Yep, I've seen a lot of fixes for reviews.

 also, perhaps the more common ones should additionally be converted to 
 repoman tests, if that is feasable.

That might be reasonable for some cases, but it won't be perfect, and 
won't even be possible for many.

So far, the only one I've seen that might work well for is quoting 
around specific variables. You could do something like a grep for words 
containing '${+D[^[:alnum:]-_]' (haven't tested that, just beginnings of 
an idea) and the same for S and WORKDIR.

Thanks,
Donnie
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