On Wed, 2021-06-16 at 11:57 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 11:42 AM Michał Górny wrote:
> >
> > What is the point you're making? If GF decides to kick you from Gentoo,
> > will you also claim that it was their legal right?
> >
>
> IMO the lesson to be learned here is
On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 11:42 AM Michał Górny wrote:
>
> What is the point you're making? If GF decides to kick you from Gentoo,
> will you also claim that it was their legal right?
>
IMO the lesson to be learned here is that we ought to design Gentoo in
such a way that if the GF kicks us all
On Wed, 2021-06-16 at 17:03 +0200, Thomas Deutschmann wrote:
> > Quick recap for people that haven't been following the news or got
> > confused in the lots of data:
> >
> > 1. Freenode was sold in 2017 to some guy who apparently wasn't supposed
> > to interfere with its operations.
> >
> > 2.
> On 16 Jun 2021, at 16:12, Sam James wrote:
>
>
>
>> On 16 Jun 2021, at 10:13, Michał Górny wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>
> The only case not covered by your questions is where an IRC client
> might autojoin #gentoo@libera (Smuxi does this with #smuxi) in which
> case we want to update it.
>
>>
> On 16 Jun 2021, at 10:13, Michał Górny wrote:
>
> [snip]
The only case not covered by your questions is where an IRC client
might autojoin #gentoo@libera (Smuxi does this with #smuxi) in which
case we want to update it.
> 1. Should we be proactively changing the default network in IRC
On 2021-06-16 11:13, Michał Górny wrote:
1. Should we be proactively changing the default network in IRC clients
(provided they have one) from Freenode to Libera.chat?
1a. If yes, then should we also make a change if clients default to
network other than Freenode?
Adding *our* network in case
> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021, Thomas Deutschmann wrote:
> On 2021-06-16 13:28, Michal Prívozník wrote:
>> Why should we mangle with packages this way? I mean, to me Gentoo was
>> one of the few distros that allowed real choice for users (systemd vs
>> openrc, selinux or !selinux, etc.). We shouldn't
> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021, Michal Prívozník wrote:
>>> 1. Should we be proactively changing the default network in IRC clients
>>> (provided they have one) from Freenode to Libera.chat
>>
>> Yes. IMHO Freenode is no longer a reasonable default.
> Why should we mangle with packages this way? I
On 2021-06-16 13:28, Michal Prívozník wrote:
Why should we mangle with packages this way? I mean, to me Gentoo was
one of the few distros that allowed real choice for users (systemd vs
openrc, selinux or !selinux, etc.). We shouldn't be making choices on
behalf of users. The best we can do is to
Hi,
On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 11:13:19 +0200
Michał Górny wrote:
> However, there are still IRC clients in Gentoo that default to
> Freenode. I think the next questions we need to answer are:
My recommendation would be to prioritize asking upstreams to change
defaults.
We can still patch defaults
On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 7:28 AM Michal Prívozník wrote:
>
> On 6/16/21 11:21 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> >> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021, Michał Górny wrote:
> >
> >> We've moved our official support channels from Freenode to Libera.chat.
> >> All that's happened afterwards pretty much proves that
On 6/16/21 11:21 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021, Michał Górny wrote:
>
>> We've moved our official support channels from Freenode to Libera.chat.
>> All that's happened afterwards pretty much proves that this was
>> the right decision. Maybe even to the point of saying that
On 2021-06-16 11:22, Michał Górny wrote:
IMO it makes most sense to just switch the default to irc.gentoo.org if
we are going to change defaults anyway.
We can't really do that as ircs://irc.gentoo.org causes certificate
hostname mismatch.
On a somewhat tangential note, could we add a TLSA
On Wed, 2021-06-16 at 12:06 +0200, Andrew Ammerlaan wrote:
> IMO it makes most sense to just switch the default to irc.gentoo.org if
> we are going to change defaults anyway.
We can't really do that as ircs://irc.gentoo.org causes certificate
hostname mismatch.
--
Best regards,
Michał Górny
On 16/06/2021 11:45, Michał Górny wrote:
On Wed, 2021-06-16 at 12:43 +0300, Joonas Niilola wrote:
On 16.6.2021 12.13, Michał Górny wrote:
Hi, everyone.
We've moved our official support channels from Freenode to Libera.chat.
All that's happened afterwards pretty much proves that this was
the
On Wed, 2021-06-16 at 12:43 +0300, Joonas Niilola wrote:
> On 16.6.2021 12.13, Michał Górny wrote:
> > Hi, everyone.
> >
> > We've moved our official support channels from Freenode to Libera.chat.
> > All that's happened afterwards pretty much proves that this was
> > the right decision. Maybe
On 16.6.2021 12.13, Michał Górny wrote:
> Hi, everyone.
>
> We've moved our official support channels from Freenode to Libera.chat.
> All that's happened afterwards pretty much proves that this was
> the right decision. Maybe even to the point of saying that staying
> on Freenode would be
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Should we switch IRC client defaults off
Freenode?
>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021, Michał Górny wrote:
> We've moved our official support channels from Freenode to Libera.chat.
> All that's happened afterwards pretty much proves that this was
> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021, Michał Górny wrote:
> We've moved our official support channels from Freenode to Libera.chat.
> All that's happened afterwards pretty much proves that this was
> the right decision. Maybe even to the point of saying that staying
> on Freenode would be dangerous to our
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