On Saturday 05 January 2013 15:29:05 Rich Freeman wrote:
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org
wrote:
Even if you're not a business you should care about maintainable
solutions.
I'm
On 01/05/2013 12:47 AM, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
Some early work on it using Bootstrap:
http://a3li.li/~alex/g.o/
I really like this. The (admittedly kind-of ugly) logo and the flying
saucer thing are incorporated tastefully and it makes a big difference.
The zebra tables, and especially
On 1/4/13 9:47 PM, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
I did much of the design work nearly 2 years ago:
http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/gentoo_website/gentoo_landing_black.png
http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/gentoo_website/gentoo_landing_install.png
On 2013.01.05 05:47, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
On 10:43 Mon 17 Dec , Markos Chandras wrote:
On 16 December 2012 18:53, Andreas K. Huettel
dilfri...@gentoo.org
wrote:
How to do this, however, and what software to target should
probably
be decided by people who know more than me...
Am Samstag, 5. Januar 2013, 16:46:07 schrieb Roy Bamford:
That said, why the hell are we wasting time implementing our own
website
backend when we should be using a CMS? We're here to make a distro,
not
a website framework. No reason we should care, day to day, about
anything but
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote:
Am Samstag, 5. Januar 2013, 16:46:07 schrieb Roy Bamford:
That said, why the hell are we wasting time implementing our own
website
backend when we should be using a CMS? We're here to make a distro,
not
a
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org
wrote:
Even if you're not a business you should care about maintainable solutions.
I'm sure at the time it was created (12+ years ago) the website
On 18:03 Sat 05 Jan , Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
Am Samstag, 5. Januar 2013, 16:46:07 schrieb Roy Bamford:
I agree its not 'core business' but Gentoo isn't a business.
Even if you're not a business you should care about maintainable solutions.
More importantly, even if you aren't a
On 10:43 Mon 17 Dec , Markos Chandras wrote:
On 16 December 2012 18:53, Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote:
How to do this, however, and what software to target should probably
be decided by people who know more than me... and in the end it all
boils down to who has the
On 30 December 2012 00:13, Brian Dolbec dol...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sat, 2012-12-29 at 16:42 +0800, Ben de Groot wrote:
On 27 December 2012 00:39, Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote:
Can we short cut the whole quiz process and have some Inbound repository
until we're full git, which
On Monday 31 of December 2012 16:46:53 Ben de Groot wrote:
On 30 December 2012 00:13, Brian Dolbec dol...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sat, 2012-12-29 at 16:42 +0800, Ben de Groot wrote:
On 27 December 2012 00:39, Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote:
Can we short cut the whole quiz process
On 27 December 2012 00:39, Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote:
Can we short cut the whole quiz process and have some Inbound repository
until we're full git, which people can fork/commit/pull and trusted people
can review submitted branches and apply them to CVS?
This is why I started
On Sat, 2012-12-29 at 16:42 +0800, Ben de Groot wrote:
On 27 December 2012 00:39, Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote:
Can we short cut the whole quiz process and have some Inbound repository
until we're full git, which people can fork/commit/pull and trusted people
can review
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Brian Dolbec dol...@gentoo.org wrote:
Not to sidetrack the topic farther, but isn't this best done in our
github/gentoo account. It is one of the main reasons we have it, to
easily accept pull requests from users. It would also make it easier
for more devs
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Brian Dolbec dol...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sat, 2012-12-29 at 16:42 +0800, Ben de Groot wrote:
On 27 December 2012 00:39, Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote:
Can we short cut the whole quiz process and have some Inbound repository
until we're full git,
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Brian Dolbec dol...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sat, 2012-12-29 at 16:42 +0800, Ben de Groot wrote:
On 27 December 2012 00:39, Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote:
Can we short cut the whole
We are.
Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes
flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Brian Dolbec
On Saturday 29 of December 2012 11:32:45 Michael Mol wrote:
Certainly a sidetrack: I would like to point out that Github now
supports Organizations as a semantic concept. I *highly* recommend
using something like that over using an 'individual' account as an
organization.
I've been using
On 12/26/2012 05:39 PM, Kent Fredric wrote:
I know, it should be easy, and I'm probably making excuses, but it boils
down to
Well, it boils down to you needing an excuse ;)
1. People in Gentoo have asked me to/encouraged me to do the quizzes
2. I've tried several times
3. Still not there.
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 1:30 AM, Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote:
There's no reason we /can't/ have a comparable process for CVS to
eliminate needless slopping of files around in pastebins/emails, both
of which are time consuming and not designed for doing exactly that.
...
(lots of
On 19/12/2012 10:03 p.m., Michał Górny wrote:
Doesn't this prove that the recruitment process fails to work?
If I were to throw random ideas, I'd think about letting new recruits
did all commits through a proxy (mentor?). Of course, it all would be
easier if we used git.
I know this side
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 05:39:00 +1300
Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote:
On 19/12/2012 10:03 p.m., Michał Górny wrote:
If I were to throw random ideas, I'd think about letting new
recruits did all commits through a proxy (mentor?). Of course, it
all would be easier if we used git.
For
Jeroen Roovers wrote:
For once someone suggests a single good case where git beats CVS for
portage tree changes: easily checking suggested changes ...
Did you look at Gerrit one of the many times I mentioned it already?
That is what it is for, and it is pretty great.
A shiny new workflow
On 27 December 2012 13:32, Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote:
What you want to do is contact your mentor - that is the person who
should be able to point out where to find the actual answer or just
tell you what the answer is - the point of the quizes is to properly
teach you how things
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 07:56:56 +0100
Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:40:06 +0100
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
People aren't bothering. It's not because of any fundamental
problem -- it's because the process is obscure and potentially a
waste of
On 19 December 2012 09:03, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
Of course, it all would be
easier if we used git.
Please lets not hijack yet another thread with the git migration.
--
Regards,
Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:40:06 +0100
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
People aren't bothering. It's not because of any fundamental
problem -- it's because the process is obscure and potentially a
waste of time.
I agree with that. The process takes a lot of time for a minor
benefit,
On 17 December 2012 00:10, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
On 12/16/12 14:04, Markos Chandras wrote:
On 16 December 2012 16:57, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
Inspired by the number of packages being unmaintained -- why not use
some of that bug bounty money to fix up
On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:10:06 -0500
Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
Parts of this docs are outdated but this does not matter. Get
involved, fix bugs, help people and someone will ask you to join. Or
look for a mentor.
If your recruitment process is fix bugs for years and
On 16 December 2012 19:14, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
People still think of Gentoo as a ricer distro that's broken all
the time, when in reality, it's one of the most stable.
Well that's not entirely true but that's a different issue
What's not really true? That it's the
On 16 December 2012 18:53, Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote:
1. Even MediaWiki (wiki.gentoo.org) looks better than www.gentoo.org.
That's impressive-bad.
People still think of Gentoo as a ricer distro that's broken all
the time, when in reality, it's one of the
On 17 December 2012 09:40, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:10:06 -0500
Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
Parts of this docs are outdated but this does not matter. Get
involved, fix bugs, help people and someone will ask you to join. Or
look for a
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
Outsource it to someone who has the knowledge and interest in doing
this. The foundation has the funds to support it, and none of us
actually have the time to invest in a complete webpage redesign.
If we have funds
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
Outsource it to someone who has the knowledge and interest in doing
this. The foundation has the funds to support it, and none of us
actually have the time to invest in a complete webpage redesign.
Before we
On 17 December 2012 12:31, Dirkjan Ochtman d...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
Outsource it to someone who has the knowledge and interest in doing
this. The foundation has the funds to support it, and none of us
actually have the
On 17 December 2012 14:08, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
Outsource it to someone who has the knowledge and interest in doing
this. The foundation has the funds to support it, and none of us
actually have the
On 2012.12.17 15:15, Markos Chandras wrote:
On 17 December 2012 12:31, Dirkjan Ochtman d...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Markos Chandras
hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
Outsource it to someone who has the knowledge and interest in
doing
this. The foundation has the
On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:14:49 -0500
Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
I face funroll-loops references and worse almost every time I bring up
Gentoo among a different group of Linux-familiar technical people.
There are still *very* strong prejudices against Gentoo in most places
Comparing
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Roy Bamford neddyseag...@gentoo.org wrote:
Suppose the team in [1] above wrote the specification, who needs to
agree it?
The council, the trustees, the body of devs ... some combination of
that list. All in all, producing an agreed specification for a website
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman d...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Roy Bamford neddyseag...@gentoo.org wrote:
Suppose the team in [1] above wrote the specification, who needs to
agree it?
I don't think the whole body of devs has to agree to it. The
On 16-12-2012 11:57:35 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
3. Get off CVS for Christ's sake. Nobody wants to work with that. I
don't know how this fits into my bullet list, but it's important.
It doesn't, and it's not.
--
Fabian Groffen
Gentoo on a different level
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On 12/16/2012 12:02 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote:
On 16-12-2012 11:57:35 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
3. Get off CVS for Christ's sake. Nobody wants to work with that.
I don't know how this fits into my bullet list, but it's
important.
It
On 16-12-2012 12:20:10 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
Many new developers who want to contribute to to some project will
learn git, because a large number of important projects use git. No
(new) developers are going to learn CVS. Ever.
Therefore, we can rule out using CVS is helping us
On 16/12/12 18:57, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
3. Get off CVS for Christ's sake. Nobody wants to work with that. I
don't know how this fits into my bullet list, but it's important.
Meh. I actually like CVS and it's very suitable for gentoo-x86 tree.
However, if enough people want a
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On 12/16/2012 12:23 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote:
On 16-12-2012 12:20:10 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
Many new developers who want to contribute to to some project
will learn git, because a large number of important projects use
git. No (new)
I completely agree, myself, I want to become a developer, but since the
information looks so scattered, I decided to wait until summer to have
all the required time to find/read all relevant documentation and
foillow up with the recruitment process (which seems to be somehow
'non-trivial').
As an
On 16-12-2012 12:40:23 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
Actually, I agree with this. But lots of people who are capable of
learning CVS just don't want to, since it's (soon to be) a useless
skill and perceived as a waste of time. Requiring everyone to do so is
a disincentive -- that's all that I
On 16.12.2012 18:20, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
On 12/16/2012 12:02 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote:
On 16-12-2012 11:57:35 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
3. Get off CVS for Christ's sake. Nobody wants to work with that.
I don't know how this fits into my bullet list, but it's
important.
It doesn't,
1. Even MediaWiki (wiki.gentoo.org) looks better than www.gentoo.org.
That's impressive-bad.
People still think of Gentoo as a ricer distro that's broken all
the time, when in reality, it's one of the most stable. No one
would suspect that anything has changed, though,
On 16 December 2012 16:57, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
Inspired by the number of packages being unmaintained -- why not use
some of that bug bounty money to fix up the recruitment documentation
Recruitment documentatiob? What does that mean?
People still think of Gentoo
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 16 December 2012 16:57, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
Inspired by the number of packages being unmaintained -- why not use
some of that bug bounty money to fix up the recruitment documentation
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 16 December 2012 16:57, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
Inspired by the number of packages being unmaintained -- why not use
some
On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:43:52 +0100
Kacper Kowalik xarthis...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 16.12.2012 18:20, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
On 12/16/2012 12:02 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote:
On 16-12-2012 11:57:35 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
3. Get off CVS for Christ's sake. Nobody wants to work with that.
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On 12/16/2012 12:02 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote:
On 16-12-2012 11:57:35 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
3. Get off
On 12/16/2012 12:20 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
On 12/16/2012 12:02 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote:
On 16-12-2012 11:57:35 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
3. Get off CVS for Christ's sake. Nobody wants to work with that.
I don't know how this fits into my bullet list, but it's
important.
It
El dom, 16-12-2012 a las 12:49 -0500, Damien Levac escribió:
I completely agree, myself, I want to become a developer, but since the
information looks so scattered, I decided to wait until summer to have
all the required time to find/read all relevant documentation and
foillow up with the
This is funny, because after replying to the list, I actually wrote
myself a script to extract that manual from the website into pdf. I
should start reading soon... after my other book... xD
Damien
On 12/16/12 17:34, Pacho Ramos wrote:
El dom, 16-12-2012 a las 12:49 -0500, Damien Levac
On 12/16/12 16:32, Michał Górny wrote:
Get off powerpoint for your god of choice's sake. Nobody wants to work
with that (well, everybody I meet outside actually wants but
whatever) :P. Sorry, couldn't resist.
I was hoping nobody would call my bluff. This is the only avenue
available to me
On 12/16/12 13:53, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
1. Even MediaWiki (wiki.gentoo.org) looks better than www.gentoo.org.
That's impressive-bad.
People still think of Gentoo as a ricer distro that's broken all
the time, when in reality, it's one of the most stable. No one
On 12/16/12 14:04, Markos Chandras wrote:
On 16 December 2012 16:57, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
Inspired by the number of packages being unmaintained -- why not use
some of that bug bounty money to fix up the recruitment documentation
Recruitment documentatiob? What does
On 12/17/12 08:10, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
On 12/16/12 14:04, Markos Chandras wrote:
On 16 December 2012 16:57, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
Inspired by the number of packages being unmaintained -- why not use
some of that bug bounty money to fix up the recruitment
On Sun, 2012-12-16 at 19:10 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
On 12/16/12 14:04, Markos Chandras wrote:
snip...
This guy posted a graph the other day:
http://hwoarang.silverarrow.org/wp-content/uploads/recruitment_stats.png
HA, HA, that's a good one... quote the the above link to the guy
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