Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask
В Срд, 14/01/2009 в 20:24 -0800, Donnie Berkholz пишет: On 11:05 Mon 12 Jan , AllenJB wrote: In my opinion the cvs commit log and the ChangeLog serve 2 different purposes. The cvs log is for developers while the ChangeLog is for users. While the cvs log will likely just want to explain what change was made, the ChangeLog should explain why it was made. So if you want to know both, you need to look in 2 places? That doesn't seem very nice to me. We do not distribute portage tree trough cvs and rsync does not have ChangeLog's. But even with cvs, cvs log is very slow ... Also in a distributed VCS, we'd want to generate ChangeLogs from the commit logs True. But portage tree is still CVS and until this happened we need document all changes in ChangeLog's. -- Peter.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask
On Thursday 15 of January 2009 05:24:41 Donnie Berkholz wrote: So if you want to know both, you need to look in 2 places? That doesn't seem very nice to me. Also in a distributed VCS, we'd want to generate ChangeLogs from the commit logs to avoid all kinds of annoying conflict resolution and remove redundant information. Hmm... or the other way around, so that, after making changes, echangelog would generate ChangeLog entry, then repoman manifest, and at the end repoman commit could just pick this entry and place as commit message. It would of course make sense when all commits were 'atomic' in some way - (one commit per package/directory - if there's no such policy already). -- regards MM signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask
On 11:05 Mon 12 Jan , AllenJB wrote: In my opinion the cvs commit log and the ChangeLog serve 2 different purposes. The cvs log is for developers while the ChangeLog is for users. While the cvs log will likely just want to explain what change was made, the ChangeLog should explain why it was made. So if you want to know both, you need to look in 2 places? That doesn't seem very nice to me. Also in a distributed VCS, we'd want to generate ChangeLogs from the commit logs to avoid all kinds of annoying conflict resolution and remove redundant information. PS. I know about index2.xml - but that doesn't look like it's going to be the main front page any time soon at the moment, which is a real shame because it has some awesome changes. I need to write up an announcement for the changes, then Xavier will flip the switch. Think days not weeks. -- Thanks, Donnie Donnie Berkholz Developer, Gentoo Linux Blog: http://dberkholz.wordpress.com pgpEDwTiHQbg4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask
В Вск, 11/01/2009 в 10:31 +0100, Benedikt Böhm пишет: On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 01:56:52AM +0100, Friedrich Oslage wrote: - - you forgot the ChangeLog entry `cvs log` is the changelog, i don't see why i should add a changelog entry. There is the same reason as for ChangeLogs for ebuilds. Users (I'm user too) don't have cvs log at hand at their systems but still consider that it's important to know about changes. Is it really hard to script `echangelog msg cvs commit -m msg`? -- Peter.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask
Peter Volkov wrote: В Вск, 11/01/2009 в 10:31 +0100, Benedikt Böhm пишет: On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 01:56:52AM +0100, Friedrich Oslage wrote: - - you forgot the ChangeLog entry `cvs log` is the changelog, i don't see why i should add a changelog entry. There is the same reason as for ChangeLogs for ebuilds. Users (I'm user too) don't have cvs log at hand at their systems but still consider that it's important to know about changes. Is it really hard to script `echangelog msg cvs commit -m msg`? In my opinion the cvs commit log and the ChangeLog serve 2 different purposes. The cvs log is for developers while the ChangeLog is for users. While the cvs log will likely just want to explain what change was made, the ChangeLog should explain why it was made. Developers need to realise that users don't know everything about the software they use and don't always pin down the reasons for unexpected beviour. Users also don't always read the documentation given to them. This has been seen recently in the change of default behavior of the world set in stable portage is a good example of this. Many users didn't even know about the --update option and many don't read post-commit messages (I expect because they don't realise the importance of those messages or how they can change the ELOG options to make the messages easier to read, for example by having them emailed to them). There are other examples of insufficient information being given to users too - the dvdnav USE flag was masked recently, but neither the ChangeLog or the cvs commit message give any indication as to why this occurred. In my opinion Gentoo developers need to do more to communicate with their users. This could be as simple as prominently posting documentation on the elog system and how to tailor it. Or it might involve posting more announcements to the Gentoo website (which would double up and make the project look more active than it currently does from its front page). AllenJB PS. I know about index2.xml - but that doesn't look like it's going to be the main front page any time soon at the moment, which is a real shame because it has some awesome changes.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:05 AM, AllenJB gentoo-li...@allenjb.me.uk wrote: Peter Volkov wrote: В Вск, 11/01/2009 в 10:31 +0100, Benedikt Böhm пишет: On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 01:56:52AM +0100, Friedrich Oslage wrote: - - you forgot the ChangeLog entry `cvs log` is the changelog, i don't see why i should add a changelog entry. There is the same reason as for ChangeLogs for ebuilds. Users (I'm user too) don't have cvs log at hand at their systems but still consider that it's important to know about changes. Is it really hard to script `echangelog msg cvs commit -m msg`? In my opinion the cvs commit log and the ChangeLog serve 2 different purposes. The cvs log is for developers while the ChangeLog is for users. While the cvs log will likely just want to explain what change was made, the ChangeLog should explain why it was made. Developers need to realise that users don't know everything about the software they use and don't always pin down the reasons for unexpected beviour. Users also don't always read the documentation given to them. This has been seen recently in the change of default behavior of the world set in stable portage is a good example of this. Many users didn't even know about the --update option and many don't read post-commit messages (I expect because they don't realise the importance of those messages or how they can change the ELOG options to make the messages easier to read, for example by having them emailed to them). There are other examples of insufficient information being given to users too - the dvdnav USE flag was masked recently, but neither the ChangeLog or the cvs commit message give any indication as to why this occurred. In my opinion Gentoo developers need to do more to communicate with their users. This could be as simple as prominently posting documentation on the elog system and how to tailor it. Or it might involve posting more announcements to the Gentoo website (which would double up and make the project look more active than it currently does from its front page). It sounds like you just volunteered to write an article on elog for the GMN...am I reading your post correctly? :) AllenJB PS. I know about index2.xml - but that doesn't look like it's going to be the main front page any time soon at the moment, which is a real shame because it has some awesome changes.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask
2008/6/22 Peter Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 15:49 +0200, Alin Nstac wrote: Peter Volkov wrote: В Сбт, 21/06/2008 в 10:56 +0200, Albert Zeyer пишет: Perhaps install a script which automatically takes the CVS comment when some of these files is changed and adds this comment automatically to the ChangeLog? Some days ago Diego (flameeyes) suggested to write script which will abort commit in case ChangeLog is not filled. Taking into account a number (about 1 commit per day(!)) of developers who forgive to use echangelog I think this is the only way to go if we want that ChangeLog's to be useful... How about fixing the right problem instead forcing devs to complete yet another step? The right way of fixing that is by creating changelogs automatically, based on cvs commit comments. Possibly by making it a part of the whole repoman commit process? I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this in a council meeting: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20080508-summary.txt (Check the 'New Topics' - 'When are ChangeLog entries required?' summary) The portage team is always open for repoman improvements ;) -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask
В Сбт, 21/06/2008 в 10:56 +0200, Albert Zeyer пишет: Perhaps install a script which automatically takes the CVS comment when some of these files is changed and adds this comment automatically to the ChangeLog? Some days ago Diego (flameeyes) suggested to write script which will abort commit in case ChangeLog is not filled. Taking into account a number (about 1 commit per day(!)) of developers who forgive to use echangelog I think this is the only way to go if we want that ChangeLog's to be useful... -- Peter. -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask
Peter Volkov wrote: В Сбт, 21/06/2008 в 10:56 +0200, Albert Zeyer пишет: Perhaps install a script which automatically takes the CVS comment when some of these files is changed and adds this comment automatically to the ChangeLog? Some days ago Diego (flameeyes) suggested to write script which will abort commit in case ChangeLog is not filled. Taking into account a number (about 1 commit per day(!)) of developers who forgive to use echangelog I think this is the only way to go if we want that ChangeLog's to be useful... How about fixing the right problem instead forcing devs to complete yet another step? The right way of fixing that is by creating changelogs automatically, based on cvs commit comments. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 15:49 +0200, Alin Nstac wrote: Peter Volkov wrote: В Сбт, 21/06/2008 в 10:56 +0200, Albert Zeyer пишет: Perhaps install a script which automatically takes the CVS comment when some of these files is changed and adds this comment automatically to the ChangeLog? Some days ago Diego (flameeyes) suggested to write script which will abort commit in case ChangeLog is not filled. Taking into account a number (about 1 commit per day(!)) of developers who forgive to use echangelog I think this is the only way to go if we want that ChangeLog's to be useful... How about fixing the right problem instead forcing devs to complete yet another step? The right way of fixing that is by creating changelogs automatically, based on cvs commit comments. Possibly by making it a part of the whole repoman commit process? I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this in a council meeting: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20080508-summary.txt (Check the 'New Topics' - 'When are ChangeLog entries required?' summary) -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask
On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 10:43 +0400, Peter Volkov wrote: В Чтв, 19/06/2008 в 21:03 +, Michael Sterrett (mr_bones_) пишет: mr_bones_08/06/19 21:03:29 Modified: package.mask Log: mask =games-kids/gcompris-8.4.5 until http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=225883 is fixed up. Revision ChangesPath 1.8740 profiles/package.mask Whenever you modify anything in profiles directory, please, fill in ChangeLog. ChangeLogs became useless if only part of developers fill them. Just to remind. There are per-arch ChangeLog, base profile ChangeLog, features ChangeLog and for other stuff ChangeLog: /usr/portage/profiles/base/ChangeLog /usr/portage/profiles/arch/sh/ChangeLog [snip other archs ChangeLog] /usr/portage/profiles/default-bsd/ChangeLog /usr/portage/profiles/embedded/ChangeLog /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/arm/ChangeLog [snip other archs ChangeLog] /usr/portage/profiles/hardened/x86/ChangeLog /usr/portage/profiles/features/ChangeLog /usr/portage/profiles/ChangeLog Thus whenever you change anything in arch profile, or in base or features subdirectory use relevant ChangeLog. For other changes like local USE flags documentation, masking/unmasking/updating masks (not comments :)) use /usr/portage/profiles/ChangeLog. Perhaps install a script which automatically takes the CVS comment when some of these files is changed and adds this comment automatically to the ChangeLog? -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 10:56:51AM +0200, Albert Zeyer wrote: Thus whenever you change anything in arch profile, or in base or features subdirectory use relevant ChangeLog. For other changes like local USE flags documentation, masking/unmasking/updating masks (not comments :)) use /usr/portage/profiles/ChangeLog. Perhaps install a script which automatically takes the CVS comment when some of these files is changed and adds this comment automatically to the ChangeLog? echangelog works perfectly AFAIK. -- Robin Hugh Johnson Gentoo Linux Developer Infra Guy E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG FP : 11AC BA4F 4778 E3F6 E4ED F38E B27B 944E 3488 4E85 pgp2Jp7D1L2Va.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask
On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 11:38 -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 10:56:51AM +0200, Albert Zeyer wrote: Thus whenever you change anything in arch profile, or in base or features subdirectory use relevant ChangeLog. For other changes like local USE flags documentation, masking/unmasking/updating masks (not comments :)) use /usr/portage/profiles/ChangeLog. Perhaps install a script which automatically takes the CVS comment when some of these files is changed and adds this comment automatically to the ChangeLog? echangelog works perfectly AFAIK. I think he meant something which would add an entry to the ChangeLog during the commit stage without extra intevention. Having said that, many developers have some form of commit script which contains things like manifest, changelog and commit commands. welp -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
