On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Steven J Long
sl...@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk wrote:
The shifting nature of the arguments and the solutions makes me more
uncomfortable that this hasn't been thought through even with the amount of
feedback, and more importantly proper consideration to that
* Olivier Cr?te tes...@gentoo.org schrieb:
You clearly have failed to realize that d-bus is a now the bus for
system messaging and is as much part of the system as syslog or bash.
Probably even more so, for example, in Fedora 17, you'll be able to boot
without syslog or bash, but you need
* Olivier Cr?te tes...@gentoo.org schrieb:
d-bus is not high-level stuff... For example, you can't use bluetooth
without d-bus. Even Android has it..
really sad, that so many important packages are depending on
that misdesigned bloat.
cu
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On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:30:07 +0100
Marc Schiffbauer msch...@gentoo.org wrote:
* Olivier Crête schrieb am 04.01.12 um 18:40 Uhr:
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
/bin/systemctl
* Michał Górny schrieb am 05.01.12 um 09:26 Uhr:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:30:07 +0100
Marc Schiffbauer msch...@gentoo.org wrote:
* Olivier Crête schrieb am 04.01.12 um 18:40 Uhr:
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
Michał Górny
On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 12:08 +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
I meant hight-level only in a way that it is not really needed to
boot the very basic things of a system so that I can get a root
prompt at the console at least. E.g. you do not need dbus to find
and mount the rootfs, fire a getty
On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 12:08 +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
I meant hight-level only in a way that it is not really needed to
boot the very basic things of a system so that I can get a root
prompt at the console at least. E.g. you do not need dbus to find
and mount the rootfs, fire a getty
On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 17:12:26 + (UTC)
Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
But init=/bin/sh (or /bin/bash as I use here) DOES help in a
surprising number of cases as long as the necessary storage and input
drivers and filesystem modules are builtin. And a lot of us have
strong ideas about
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Steven J Long
sl...@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk wrote:
The thing I don't understand is why it is necessary to move stuff from /bin
to /usr/bin. After all, if you're running the approved setup you don't
have a separate /usr so all the binaries are available from the
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
/bin/systemctl
libdbus-1.so.3 = /usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so.3
Here is a prime example of why vertical integration should really be
called a horrible mess of tight coupling...
Remember how people used to make fun of
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:54:07 +
Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
/bin/systemctl
libdbus-1.so.3 = /usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so.3
Considering that I really thought about stripping that one because
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
/bin/systemctl
libdbus-1.so.3 = /usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so.3
Here is a prime example of why vertical integration should really be
called a horrible mess of
On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:40:10 -0500
Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
/bin/systemctl
libdbus-1.so.3 = /usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so.3
Here is a prime
* Olivier Crête schrieb am 04.01.12 um 18:40 Uhr:
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
/bin/systemctl
libdbus-1.so.3 = /usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so.3
Here is a prime example of why vertical
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 19:30 +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
* Olivier Crête schrieb am 04.01.12 um 18:40 Uhr:
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
/bin/systemctl
libdbus-1.so.3 =
* Olivier Crête schrieb am 04.01.12 um 19:53 Uhr:
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 19:30 +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
* Olivier Crête schrieb am 04.01.12 um 18:40 Uhr:
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 21:45 +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
That said, in the new systemd world, bash is.. Since it's only a
UI
tools (just like gnome-shell for example). Since you don't need it
to
boot.
Yeah right. Having dbus for bluetooth is much more important than
having a shell.
* Olivier Crête schrieb am 04.01.12 um 22:55 Uhr:
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 21:45 +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
That said, in the new systemd world, bash is.. Since it's only a
UI
tools (just like gnome-shell for example). Since you don't need it
to
boot.
Yeah right. Having dbus
On 01/01/12 05:15 AM, Zac Medico wrote:
Overall, a migration like this should go pretty smoothly as long as
people with separate /usr take appropriate actions to make sure their
systems will boot. People without separate /usr can basically relax and
enjoy the ride.
If a separate /usr is the
On 03-01-2012 10:51:00 -0600, William Hubbs wrote:
If a separate /usr is the only holdback, would it not be possible to
simply add static devnodes to the pre-udev /dev , and make a pre-init
wrapper script that mounts /usr ?
I've thought about this, but a wrapper script assumes that the
On 03/01/12 11:51 AM, William Hubbs wrote:
For example, consider
what happens when bash or all of coreutils migrate to /usr.
..well, when /bin/sh no longer exists then there -will- be issues,
system-wide, on a massive scale. Unless shells or environments can
dynamically map that
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 05:35:51PM +, Duncan wrote:
Ian Stakenvicius posted on Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:03:32 -0500 as excerpted:
On 03/01/12 11:51 AM, William Hubbs wrote:
For example, consider what happens when bash or all of coreutils
migrate to /usr.
..well, when /bin/sh no
On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 05:39:39AM +, Duncan wrote:
Olivier Crête posted on Sun, 01 Jan 2012 15:17:50 -0500 as excerpted:
On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 12:46 -0600, William Hubbs wrote:
I don't think the /{bin,sbin,lib} and /usr/sbin directories should be
deleted.
However, what I would
On 01/01/2012 01:23 AM, Duncan wrote:
As for the switchover, I had already been thinking about it here and thus
have a couple ideas I'd very much like to see implemented in portage/PM/
base.eclass that could definitely help, along with a USE flag. I'll call
them migrated-rootfs and
On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 09:23:11AM +, Duncan wrote:
Gentoo has historically been both light patch, with a policy of staying
close to upstream if possible, and customizer's choice, allowing users
far more flexibility than most distros. Keeping both goals in mind,
migrating with upstream
Yeah I know Im replying to my own message, but I wanted to add a
thought about the symbolic links issue.
I don't think the /{bin,sbin,lib} and /usr/sbin directories should be
deleted.
However, what I would like to see is that the package maintainers would
be responsible for creating any
Hi,
On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 12:46 -0600, William Hubbs wrote:
I don't think the /{bin,sbin,lib} and /usr/sbin directories should be
deleted.
However, what I would like to see is that the package maintainers would
be responsible for creating any compatibility symlinks their package
needs, not
On 01/01/2012 09:39 PM, Duncan wrote:
Olivier Crête posted on Sun, 01 Jan 2012 15:17:50 -0500 as excerpted:
On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 12:46 -0600, William Hubbs wrote:
I don't think the /{bin,sbin,lib} and /usr/sbin directories should be
deleted.
However, what I would like to see is that the
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