Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-12 Thread Roy Bamford
On 2010.04.10 15:00, Markos Chandras wrote: > On Saturday 10 April 2010 16:53:48 Petteri Räty wrote: > > As people seem to want the council to take action I offer to take > > action. As it's impossible for me to do everything myself I offer > to > act > > as a project manager/owner for people will

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Richard Freeman
On 04/10/2010 07:44 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: On 11 April 2010 00:54, Denis Dupeyron wrote: I know it hurts the eyes a bit, but calling problems by their name is part of fixing them. Except when someone else does it, then calling the problem of lack of leadership suddenly becomes "immature poli

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 04/11/10 00:54, Denis Dupeyron wrote: > I know it hurts the eyes a bit, but calling problems by their name is > part of fixing them. What about difference in tone? You can transfer content X in very different tones and sill not hide anything. It's hard, but it's possible. Sebastian

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Allo. On 10-04-2010 14:09, Vincent-Xavier JUMEL wrote: > Le samedi 10 avril 2010 15:53:48, Petteri Räty a écrit : >> As people seem to want the council to take action I offer to take >> action. As it's impossible for me to do everything myself I offer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 11 April 2010 00:54, Denis Dupeyron wrote: > On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Petteri Räty wrote: >> I mean things like "immature political rantings" are not likely to evoke >> the wanted response and it didn't happen here either. > > I know it hurts the eyes a bit, but calling problems by the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Petteri Räty wrote: > I mean things like "immature political rantings" are not likely to evoke > the wanted response and it didn't happen here either. I know it hurts the eyes a bit, but calling problems by their name is part of fixing them. Denis.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 11 April 2010 00:06, Denis Dupeyron wrote: > On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Petteri Räty wrote: >> On 04/11/2010 12:37 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: >>> How about: >>> You have lately been increasingly critical but not constructively >>> at no point have you offered your contribution >>>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/11/2010 01:06 AM, Denis Dupeyron wrote: > > No mud slinging there but a fact. You can either ignore this kind of > behavior and let them pollute our mailing lists, or you can point at > them and say they won't be tolerated. I chose the latter. > I mean things like "immature political rant

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Petteri Räty wrote: > On 04/11/2010 12:37 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: >> How about: >> >>> You have lately been increasingly critical but not constructively >> >>> at no point have you offered your contribution >> >>> You haven't offered to help >> >>> you haven't prop

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/11/2010 12:37 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 10 April 2010 23:23, Petteri Räty wrote: >> On 04/11/2010 12:18 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: >>> Not if you think it is okay for Calchan to insult me the way he did. >> >> Could he have chosen better words - yes >> Were there errors in content - no > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 10 April 2010 23:23, Petteri Räty wrote: > On 04/11/2010 12:18 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: >> Not if you think it is okay for Calchan to insult me the way he did. > > Could he have chosen better words - yes > Were there errors in content - no How about: > You have lately been increasingly critica

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/11/2010 12:18 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 10 April 2010 22:56, Petteri Räty wrote: >>> I guess I was hallucinating that I started the wiki project, which has >>> been a popular request for as long as I can remember. I guess I >>> imagined I worked together with Markos to start the proxy-mai

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/10/2010 04:53 PM, Petteri Räty wrote: > As people seem to want the council to take action I offer to take > action. As it's impossible for me to do everything myself I offer to act > as a project manager/owner for people willing to donate their time to > whatever I see worthy for Gentoo as wh

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 10 April 2010 22:56, Petteri Räty wrote: >> I guess I was hallucinating that I started the wiki project, which has >> been a popular request for as long as I can remember. I guess I >> imagined I worked together with Markos to start the proxy-maintainer >> project to improve visibility of that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Steve Rosiak
right. Am Samstag, 10. April 2010 16:38:13 schrieb Ben de Groot: > On 10 April 2010 15:53, Petteri Räty wrote: > > As people seem to want the council to take action I offer to take > > action. As it's impossible for me to do everything myself I offer to act > > as a project manager/owner for peop

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/10/2010 11:17 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 10 April 2010 21:27, Denis Dupeyron wrote: >> Ben, >> >> Petteri was proposing an idea. He is being creative > > You call that creative? It seems you don't know what the word means. > You don't have to take any part in the experiment but will you

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 10 April 2010 21:27, Denis Dupeyron wrote: > Ben, > > Petteri was proposing an idea. He is being creative You call that creative? It seems you don't know what the word means. > You, on the other hand, have lately been increasingly critical (which > is good) but not constructively. You obvious

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Denis Dupeyron
Ben, Petteri was proposing an idea. He is being creative and is trying to help. The only way of knowing if his idea is good is to discuss it and later try it if people are interested. You, on the other hand, have lately been increasingly critical (which is good) but not constructively. You obviou

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/10/2010 05:38 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 10 April 2010 15:53, Petteri Räty wrote: >> As people seem to want the council to take action I offer to take >> action. As it's impossible for me to do everything myself I offer to act >> as a project manager/owner for people willing to donate thei

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 10 April 2010 15:53, Petteri Räty wrote: > As people seem to want the council to take action I offer to take > action. As it's impossible for me to do everything myself I offer to act > as a project manager/owner for people willing to donate their time to > whatever I see worthy for Gentoo as w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/10/2010 05:00 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: > On Saturday 10 April 2010 16:53:48 Petteri Räty wrote: >> As people seem to want the council to take action I offer to take >> action. As it's impossible for me to do everything myself I offer to act >> as a project manager/owner for people willing t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Vincent-Xavier JUMEL
Le samedi 10 avril 2010 15:53:48, Petteri Räty a écrit : > As people seem to want the council to take action I offer to take > action. As it's impossible for me to do everything myself I offer to act > as a project manager/owner for people willing to donate their time to > whatever I see worthy for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Markos Chandras
On Saturday 10 April 2010 16:53:48 Petteri Räty wrote: > As people seem to want the council to take action I offer to take > action. As it's impossible for me to do everything myself I offer to act > as a project manager/owner for people willing to donate their time to > whatever I see worthy for G