Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: important fstab update

On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 11:48 PM, Christopher Head wrote: > On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 10:25:39 -0400 > Rich Freeman wrote: > >> It would be nice if standards like USB incorporated some kind of GUID. >> I ended up having to write a udev rule for a pl2303 RS232 adapter

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On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 10:25:39 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > It would be nice if standards like USB incorporated some kind of GUID. > I ended up having to write a udev rule for a pl2303 RS232 adapter to > tie it to a specific USB port precisely so that I could have more than > one

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Peter Stuge wrote: > --8<-- mount(8) .. > portable. The mount(8) command internally uses udev symlinks > -->8-- That's of course only the mount in util-linux. //Peter

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Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > > WilliamH wants everyone using /dev/disk/by-label/ > > paths in fstab to instead use LABEL= , to avoid issues if udev > > doesn't create the symlinks before localmount tries to use them. .. > UUID is the same situation in this case -- in fstab you can do it by > UUID= or

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On 10/28/2016 06:00 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote: > On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 12:56 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote: >> On 10/25/2016 10:01 AM, William Hubbs wrote: >>> All, >>> >>> this item is about an important fstab update. In short, people need to >>> move away from /dev/disk-by/* in

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2016-10-28 16:42 GMT+02:00 Ian Stakenvicius : > On 27/10/16 09:54 PM, Francesco Riosa wrote: > > 2016-10-28 3:32 GMT+02:00 Ian Stakenvicius > >: > > > > On 27/10/16 09:23 PM, Gregory Woodbury wrote: > > > Out of curiosity, why do

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On 28/10/16 12:56 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote: > On 10/25/2016 10:01 AM, William Hubbs wrote: >> All, >> >> this item is about an important fstab update. In short, people need to >> move away from /dev/disk-by/* in their fstab vfiles. >> >> I do have a question about the newsitem -- how do I make it

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On 27/10/16 09:54 PM, Francesco Riosa wrote: > 2016-10-28 3:32 GMT+02:00 Ian Stakenvicius >: > > On 27/10/16 09:23 PM, Gregory Woodbury wrote: > > Out of curiosity, why do folks say that the use of LABEL= is not > > good? I realize that s

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On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 12:56 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote: > On 10/25/2016 10:01 AM, William Hubbs wrote: >> All, >> >> this item is about an important fstab update. In short, people need to >> move away from /dev/disk-by/* in their fstab vfiles. >> >> I do have a question about

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On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 21:56:45 -0700 Daniel Campbell wrote: > On 10/25/2016 10:01 AM, William Hubbs wrote: > > All, > > > > this item is about an important fstab update. In short, people need to > > move away from /dev/disk-by/* in their fstab vfiles. > > > > I do have a

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On 10/26/2016 01:49 AM, Joshua Kinard wrote: > On 10/25/2016 13:15, William Hubbs wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 01:10:06PM -0400, Mike Gilbert wrote: >>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 1:01 PM, William Hubbs wrote: If you are not using /dev/disk/by-* paths in fstab, you do

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On 10/25/2016 10:01 AM, William Hubbs wrote: > All, > > this item is about an important fstab update. In short, people need to > move away from /dev/disk-by/* in their fstab vfiles. > > I do have a question about the newsitem -- how do I make it display only > for Linux users? > > Thanks, > >

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Rich Freeman wrote: > We give you the tools when you install your system, and we give you > the tools when it is time for renovations... On that note - thank you very much to everyone who contributes to Gentoo! <3 //Peter

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On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Gregory Woodbury wrote: > > This is not unlike the kerfufle that occurred when systemD was introduced > not so long ago. To use it folks had to make major changes to their systems > that took several months to iron out the kinks. Additionally,

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2016-10-28 3:32 GMT+02:00 Ian Stakenvicius : > On 27/10/16 09:23 PM, Gregory Woodbury wrote: > > Out of curiosity, why do folks say that the use of LABEL= is not > > good? I realize that s are not required when doing a mkfs, but > > if the admin does so reliably and wants to use

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On 27/10/16 09:23 PM, Gregory Woodbury wrote: > Out of curiosity, why do folks say that the use of LABEL= is not > good? I realize that s are not required when doing a mkfs, but > if the admin does so reliably and wants to use LABEL= thereafter, why should > it be "deprecated"? I don't think

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On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote: > > Seriously though, it makes more sense to have a conservative default > (udev-settle). Especially since OpenRC is not well-equipped to deal > with event-based device management. > > It seems to me that the problem is

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On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 07:13:48 -0400 > Rich Freeman wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 7:01 AM, Roy Bamford wrote: >> > On 2016.10.25 22:52, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: >> >> >> >>

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On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > Neither were network device names. But now they are! As long as you > predict to which USB port the dongle will be plugged ;-). > It would be nice if standards like USB incorporated some kind of GUID. I ended up having

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On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:42:53 +0200 Greg KH wrote: > On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 11:04:34AM +0200, Michał Górny wrote: > > Dnia 26 października 2016 10:49:04 CEST, Joshua Kinard > > napisał(a): > > >On 10/25/2016 13:15, William Hubbs wrote: > > >> On Tue,

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On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 11:04:34AM +0200, Michał Górny wrote: > Dnia 26 października 2016 10:49:04 CEST, Joshua Kinard > napisał(a): > >On 10/25/2016 13:15, William Hubbs wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 01:10:06PM -0400, Mike Gilbert wrote: > >>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at

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On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 07:13:48 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 7:01 AM, Roy Bamford wrote: > > On 2016.10.25 22:52, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > >> > >> Personally I'd rather see us go the other way, ensure udev settles > >> before

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On 26/10/16 11:43 PM, Gordon Pettey wrote: > On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Ian Stakenvicius > wrote: > > On 26/10/16 04:49 AM, Joshua Kinard wrote: > > On 10/25/2016 13:15, William Hubbs wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 01:10:06PM

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On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 7:01 AM, Roy Bamford wrote: > On 2016.10.25 22:52, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: >> >> Personally I'd rather see us go the other way, ensure udev settles >> before localmount runs, and maybe ewarn if /dev/disk/by-* is in fstab >> or something. Leave the

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On 2016.10.25 22:52, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > On 25/10/16 05:12 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > On Tue, 25 Oct 2016 12:01:06 -0500 > > William Hubbs wrote: > > > >> Title: Inportant fstab update > >> Author: William Hubbs > >> Content-Type: text/plain > >>

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On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > On 26/10/16 04:49 AM, Joshua Kinard wrote: > > On 10/25/2016 13:15, William Hubbs wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 01:10:06PM -0400, Mike Gilbert wrote: > >>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 1:01 PM, William Hubbs

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On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 04:49:04AM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote: > I take it us museum relics still using jurassic-era device names like > /dev/sd* or /dev/md* aren't affected by this? Actually, I can see a use case for it even with classical device names: Specifically if the nodes (or symlinks)

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Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > by mount and works regardless of device manager, therefore removing > the the dependency of having udev-settle before mounting these paths. the the Looks good. Thanks. //Peter

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On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > > requirement for udev to "settle" before it's startup completes. The its startup

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Here's a revised possibility -- it diverges a little from the original message but I think its more inclusive as to the issue. Thoughts? - Title: Important fstab and localmount update Author: William Hubbs Content-Type: text/plain Posted: 2016-10-28 Revision: 1

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2016-10-26 11:04 GMT+02:00 Michał Górny : > Dnia 26 października 2016 10:49:04 CEST, Joshua Kinard > napisał(a): > >On 10/25/2016 13:15, William Hubbs wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 01:10:06PM -0400, Mike Gilbert wrote: > >>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 1:01

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Dnia 26 października 2016 10:49:04 CEST, Joshua Kinard napisał(a): >On 10/25/2016 13:15, William Hubbs wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 01:10:06PM -0400, Mike Gilbert wrote: >>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 1:01 PM, William Hubbs >wrote: If you are not

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On 10/25/2016 13:15, William Hubbs wrote: > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 01:10:06PM -0400, Mike Gilbert wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 1:01 PM, William Hubbs wrote: >>> If you are not using /dev/disk/by-* paths in fstab, you do not need to >> take any action for this news item.

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On 25/10/16 18:27, William Hubbs wrote: > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 06:07:51PM +0100, James Le Cuirot wrote: >> On Tue, 25 Oct 2016 12:01:06 -0500 >> William Hubbs wrote: >> >>> this item is about an important fstab update. In short, people need to >>> move away from

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> please make also clear that UUID=... syntax will still work, one for all I > don't like labels and will gladly continu to use this format: > UUID=debd07a3-fbbc-4433-89db-29e6f91d25e4 /boot ext2 noauto,noatime 1 2 +1 Slightly revising the example given later on by simply showing one example

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On 25/10/16 05:12 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > On Tue, 25 Oct 2016 12:01:06 -0500 > William Hubbs wrote: > >> Title: Inportant fstab update >> Author: William Hubbs >> Content-Type: text/plain >> Posted: 2016-10-28 >> Revision: 1 >> News-Item-Format: 1.0

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On Tue, 25 Oct 2016 12:01:06 -0500 William Hubbs wrote: > Title: Inportant fstab update > Author: William Hubbs > Content-Type: text/plain > Posted: 2016-10-28 > Revision: 1 > News-Item-Format: 1.0 > > If you are not using /dev/disk/by-* paths in

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2016-10-25 19:15 GMT+02:00 William Hubbs : > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 01:10:06PM -0400, Mike Gilbert wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 1:01 PM, William Hubbs > wrote: > > > If you are not using /dev/disk/by-* paths in fstab, you do not need to > > take

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On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 06:07:51PM +0100, James Le Cuirot wrote: > On Tue, 25 Oct 2016 12:01:06 -0500 > William Hubbs wrote: > > > this item is about an important fstab update. In short, people need to > > move away from /dev/disk-by/* in their fstab vfiles. > > "Inportant"

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On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 1:15 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 01:10:06PM -0400, Mike Gilbert wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 1:01 PM, William Hubbs wrote: >> > If you are not using /dev/disk/by-* paths in fstab, you do not need to >>

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On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 01:10:06PM -0400, Mike Gilbert wrote: > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 1:01 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > > If you are not using /dev/disk/by-* paths in fstab, you do not need to > take any action for this news item. > > > > If you are, it is very critical that

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On 25/10/16 01:10 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: > > If this is about the udev-settle issue for OpenRC, I would urge you to > reconsider that. > +1 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

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On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 1:01 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > I do have a question about the newsitem -- how do I make it display only > for Linux users? Once >=sys-apps/portage-2.3.2 is stable, you could use the new Display-If-Profile wildcard syntax to display it only for

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On 25/10/16 01:07 PM, James Le Cuirot wrote: > On Tue, 25 Oct 2016 12:01:06 -0500 > William Hubbs wrote: > >> this item is about an important fstab update. In short, people need to >> move away from /dev/disk-by/* in their fstab vfiles. > > "Inportant" typo in the title. >

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On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 1:01 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > If you are not using /dev/disk/by-* paths in fstab, you do not need to take any action for this news item. > > If you are, it is very critical that you update fstab AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. Your system will become unbootable

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On Tue, 25 Oct 2016 12:01:06 -0500 William Hubbs wrote: > this item is about an important fstab update. In short, people need to > move away from /dev/disk-by/* in their fstab vfiles. "Inportant" typo in the title. Even before you posted this, I was wondering why this is a

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On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 1:01 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > > this item is about an important fstab update. In short, people need to > move away from /dev/disk-by/* in their fstab vfiles. > > I do have a question about the newsitem -- how do I make it display only > for Linux