[gentoo-user] Re: do subslots improve user-experience?

2013-11-05 Thread Martin Vaeth
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: You know what? I'm not convinced. What I'm seeing is a rather large towering edifice of complexity to deal with a problem that is not the general case. I find it funny that perhaps you did not realize that you repeated the main argument *in favour

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: do subslots improve user-experience?

2013-11-05 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Tuesday 05 Nov 2013 10:52:36 Martin Vaeth wrote: Note, however, in the long run: The process of transforming all packages to subslot dependencies is not yet complete. I guess it will take many years until it is: Up to some corner cases you can check whether the process is complete for your

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: do subslots improve user-experience?

2013-11-05 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 05/11/2013 11:52, Martin Vaeth wrote: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: You know what? I'm not convinced. What I'm seeing is a rather large towering edifice of complexity to deal with a problem that is not the general case. I find it funny that perhaps you did not realize

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: do subslots improve user-experience?

2013-11-05 Thread Marc Joliet
Am Tue, 05 Nov 2013 12:14:59 +0200 schrieb Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com: On 05/11/2013 11:52, Martin Vaeth wrote: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: You know what? I'm not convinced. What I'm seeing is a rather large towering edifice of complexity to deal with a

Re: [gentoo-user] do subslots improve user-experience?

2013-11-05 Thread Bruce Hill
On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 01:04:52PM +0100, hasufell wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Another round of questioning the users here. more specifically: * how often do you experience useless rebuilds? * do you really have a problem with running

Re: [gentoo-user] Qt blocking @world update

2013-11-05 Thread Alex Schuster
Alan McKinnon writes: Excuse the top-posting; if I try inter-post between all those blockers you'll never find what I reply :-) I would, but for everyone else it's a mess. E-mail with line breaks is not suited for this kind of output. First I recommend to sync your tree again, just in case

Re: [gentoo-user] do subslots improve user-experience?

2013-11-05 Thread Bruce Hill
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 07:29:28AM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 01:04:52PM +0100, hasufell wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Another round of questioning the users here. more specifically: * how often do you experience useless rebuilds? *

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: resolving blocked packages [media-video/ffmpeg-1.2:0]

2013-11-05 Thread Bruce Hill
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 06:15:56AM +, Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) wrote: On Monday 04 Nov 2013 19:51:32 Alexander Kapshuk wrote: On 11/03/2013 02:27 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote: For starters, you should probably merge package.keywords into package.accept_keywords; the latter is the new

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: do subslots improve user-experience?

2013-11-05 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 05/11/2013 14:11, Marc Joliet wrote: Am Tue, 05 Nov 2013 12:14:59 +0200 schrieb Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com: On 05/11/2013 11:52, Martin Vaeth wrote: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: You know what? I'm not convinced. What I'm seeing is a rather large towering

Re: [gentoo-user] Qt blocking @world update

2013-11-05 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 05/11/2013 15:37, Alex Schuster wrote: Portage and the tree by itself isn't doing it, here's my output: $ emerge -pvt fsrunner These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N ] kde-misc/fsrunner-0.7.5:4 USE=(-aqua) -debug

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: do subslots improve user-experience?

2013-11-05 Thread Bruce Hill
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 04:44:43PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: I too see your viewpoint, as you see mine. There's nothing wrong with your logic within the narrow domain of making the code that implements this specific feature (subslots) work correctly per spec. Background: I'm a Linux

[gentoo-user] Re: do subslots improve user-experience?

2013-11-05 Thread Martin Vaeth
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me that you didn't read the whole post fully, and have cherry-picked a part that you think bolsters your position. I do not think that I have a position here. Subslots solve some problem. If they cause inconveniences like portage

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: do subslots improve user-experience?

2013-11-05 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 05/11/2013 17:21, Bruce Hill wrote: That is good practice, to say the least. Wish it would happen in Gentoo. But then again, may I ask, do you have as many devs and as many pkgs that must co-exist on so many differently configured machines? Not even close :-) What we lack in package

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: do subslots improve user-experience?

2013-11-05 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 05/11/2013 20:06, Martin Vaeth wrote: I predict once a week fallout from sub-slots induced bugs that was intended to fix once a year problem. Let's see: Forgetting to bump a subslot means that the purpose of subslots for that package fails. A problem, but not worse than without subslots.

[gentoo-user] kernel guys sent me back here

2013-11-05 Thread Grant
I was referred back to my distro supplier for a kernel crash. Isn't that a kernel problem? https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62981 - Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: resolving blocked packages [media-video/ffmpeg-1.2:0]

2013-11-05 Thread Mick
On Tuesday 05 Nov 2013 06:15:56 Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) wrote: On 2013-11-05, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 10:43:07PM +, Mick wrote: On Monday 04 Nov 2013 19:51:32 Alexander Kapshuk wrote: On 11/03/2013 02:27 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] do subslots improve user-experience?

2013-11-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 08:29:59 -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: I can't understand the *need* for the new slot/subslot philosophy. The need to it is clear. Previous methods worked by breaking things and then fixing them, hopefully before the breakage became a problem, whenever library APIs changed.

Re: [gentoo-user] do subslots improve user-experience?

2013-11-05 Thread Bruce Hill
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 09:28:05PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 08:29:59 -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: I can't understand the *need* for the new slot/subslot philosophy. The need to it is clear. Previous methods worked by breaking things and then fixing them, hopefully before

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel guys sent me back here

2013-11-05 Thread Bruce Hill
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 12:02:00PM -0800, Grant wrote: I was referred back to my distro supplier for a kernel crash. Isn't that a kernel problem? https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62981 The first thing for any crash is logs. And btw ... don't go to the Linux kernel if you're

Re: [gentoo-user] Does Acrobat Reader work for anyone?

2013-11-05 Thread Keith Dart
Re , Nikos Chantziaras said: Since quite a while ago (months), acroread stopped working. Side note, evince works for me on ~amd64 for viewing pdf. It also seems to work ok with fillable pdf. https://projects.gnome.org/evince/ -- Keith --

[gentoo-user] app-text/poppler-0.24.3 fails to build

2013-11-05 Thread Norman Rieß
Hello, poppler fails to build for me and i don't know why. Does someone got an idea about this? [ 97%] Building CXX object qt4/src/CMakeFiles/poppler-qt4.dir/ArthurOutputDev.cc.o cd /var/tmp/portage/app-text/poppler-0.24.3/work/poppler-0.24.3_build/qt4/src /usr/bin/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-g++

[gentoo-user] Re: do subslots improve user-experience?

2013-11-05 Thread Martin Vaeth
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: You don't have to keep explaining subslots to me But not every reader knows the details - this is not a private conversation. What I have maintained all along is that I don't see the solution as tested to be production-ready It has been in ~arch