[gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

Francisco Ares gmail.com> writes: > Sorry for such WAY out of topic message, but Gentoo users are also way > out of regular computer users. Far out man. some psychedelic mood music, say Pink Floyd Ummagumma:: Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave...[2] (now

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

On 03/09/2015 16:31, James wrote: > PS::I bet McKinnon can build a buffered serial port sniffer out of those old > 74LSxx chips! I have a wide selection of those old 74LS chips in > tubes, just in case you get an itch you need to scratch... > The date codes have fadedall I can make out is

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On 09/03/2015 07:19 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 03/09/2015 15:06, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 02:25:47PM -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >>> I've tried to post a "log" file to the http://pastebin.com/ you >>> suggested but I can only paste the limited size file (not

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On 09/03/2015 08:28 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:56:33 -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > >> Here is /var/lib/portage/world > > This contains quite a lot of libraries. As a rule of thumb, you should > rarely have libraries in world as you don't use them - the software

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:56:33 -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > Here is /var/lib/portage/world This contains quite a lot of libraries. As a rule of thumb, you should rarely have libraries in world as you don't use them - the software you have in world uses them. You can quickly clean them

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On 03/09/2015 17:26, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > On 09/03/2015 08:28 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:56:33 -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >> >>> Here is /var/lib/portage/world >> >> This contains quite a lot of libraries. As a rule of thumb, you should >> rarely have

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On 03/09/2015 15:56, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > On 09/03/2015 07:19 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 03/09/2015 15:06, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: >>> On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 02:25:47PM -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: I've tried to post a "log" file to the http://pastebin.com/ you

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

Thanks for the responses to my inquiry re how long systems stay up. My feeling for electronics is that equipment needs stability : temperature + humidity should not vary much & electrons need to flow thro' wires regularly. That suggests a machine will do better if left running. I don't like the

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On 09/03/2015 09:26 AM, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > On 09/03/2015 08:28 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:56:33 -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >> >>> Here is /var/lib/portage/world >> >> This contains quite a lot of libraries. As a rule of thumb, you should >> rarely

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 6:33 PM, wrote: > > On 09/03/2015 09:26 AM, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >> On 09/03/2015 08:28 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: >>> On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:56:33 -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >>> Here is /var/lib/portage/world >>> >>> This

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 04:27:26PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 03/09/2015 15:56, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > > dev-libs/check > > dev-libs/libnl > > dev-libs/openssl > > remove everything in dev-libs Not necessarily - dev-libs/check is for unit testing. It's not a direct dependency of

Re: [gentoo-user] [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

2015-09-02 21:30 GMT-03:00 David M. Fellows : > On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 14:19:24 -0300 > Francisco Ares wrote - > > --089e013a029e929a39051ec6e045 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > Hi, > > > > Sorry for such WAY out of topic message, but Gentoo users are also way >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

2015-09-03 6:51 GMT-03:00 Alan McKinnon : > On 03/09/2015 03:16, James wrote: > > Alan McKinnon gmail.com> writes: > > > > > >>> Last, I suggest a parallel learning of C/C++ as it really helps > > > >> ^this^, after the basics are fully mastered. > > > >> netmasks make

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

150903 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 11:32:52 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: >> Mick mentioned 'S3' = 'sleep' & 'S4' = 'hibernation' in this connection: >> what do they mean ? Do they correspond to saving to RAM/disk ? > Short answer: Yes > Long answer: >

Re: [gentoo-user] [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

2015-09-02 17:23 GMT-03:00 Alan McKinnon : > On 02/09/2015 21:43, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > On Wednesday, September 02, 2015 02:19:24 PM Francisco Ares wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Sorry for such WAY out of topic message, but Gentoo users are also way > out > >> of regular

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

Thanks, James. I already know C and a bit of C++, and that's why I want to understand deeply about networking protocols, there are some tricks that I see some device's closed source SDKs doing that I would like to reproduce. And probably - if they worth it - publish as open source, of course.

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On Thursday 03 Sep 2015 20:11:40 the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > When I boot the computer I see some complain message about "jpeg" but it > scroll too fast, couldn't read it. Is there a way to pause the boot > process? Configure your /etc/rc.conf temporarily to capture a log file and reboot

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On 09/03/2015 01:30 PM, Mick wrote: > On Thursday 03 Sep 2015 20:11:40 the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >> When I boot the computer I see some complain message about "jpeg" but it >> scroll too fast, couldn't read it. Is there a way to pause the boot >> process? > > Configure your /etc/rc.conf

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:27:26 PM Alan McKinnon wrote: > Back to jpeg. One of your first recent posts was about the conflict > between jpeg and jpeg-turbo. You had nxclient requiring jpeg and > something else requiring jpeg-turbo. These conflict and cannot co-exist. > > You are going to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage is proposing an ncurses update and I don't understand what it means

On Thursday, September 03, 2015 9:10:26 AM walt wrote: > On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 15:34:43 +0200 > Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > On 02/09/2015 15:04, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > > On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 05:24:33 -0700, walt wrote: > > > > > >> If the devs can't explain slots to their

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

[snip] Thank you for your helping hand. Yes, did perform the surgery (removing the packages you suggested) and run: emerge --depclean -p analyzed every package it wants to remove and put it back in world. Here are the results > Comments inline, edit the world file directly: > [snip] > >>

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

2015-09-02 18:14 GMT-03:00 Alan McKinnon : > On 02/09/2015 22:57, James wrote: > > Last, I suggest a parallel learning of C/C++ as it really helps with > > unix/linux/networking if can look at software sources and see what is > going > > on. > > ^this^, after the basics

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

2015-09-03 3:20 GMT-03:00 J. Roeleveld : > On Thursday, September 03, 2015 01:16:47 AM James wrote: > > Alan McKinnon gmail.com> writes: > > > > Last, I suggest a parallel learning of C/C++ as it really helps > > > > > > ^this^, after the basics are fully mastered. > > > > >

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On Thursday 03 Sep 2015 15:27:26 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 03/09/2015 15:56, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > > sys-kernel/gentoo-sources > > sys-kernel/gentoo-sources:3.10.17 > > sys-kernel/gentoo-sources:3.5.7 > > Wee bit behind on kernel versions... Yes, only the first is needed, *unless*

[gentoo-user] Re: Portage is proposing an ncurses update and I don't understand what it means

On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 15:34:43 +0200 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 02/09/2015 15:04, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 05:24:33 -0700, walt wrote: > > > >> If the devs can't explain slots to their > >> users then they don't understand it themselves. (Hm. That

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 11:32:52 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: > I'm planning to build a new machine in the next few weeks, > so I also now plan to set it up to do suspend, hibernate etc ; > I've grabbed a few dox which explain what's involved. > Mick mentioned 'S3' = 'sleep' & 'S4' = 'hibernation' in

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 19:16:21 +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: > >>> sed -i /libs\//d /var/lib/portage/world > >> > >> After running above I get: > >> sed: -e expression #1, char 7: unknown command: `/' > >> > >> Shouldn't it be: > >> sed -i /libs\/d /var/lib/portage/world > > Enclosing the

[gentoo-user] broken seamonkey :(

Hi, since quite a while, seamonkey and its relatives are completely broken when it comes to use self-signed certificates. They just refuse the connection to the server, blocking you from accessing your email. Is there still no solution for this problem? I'm totally fed up with it by now. At

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On 03/09/2015 19:22, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: > On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 04:27:26PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 03/09/2015 15:56, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >>> dev-libs/check >>> dev-libs/libnl >>> dev-libs/openssl >> >> remove everything in dev-libs > > Not necessarily - dev-libs/check

Re: [gentoo-user] [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

On 03/09/2015 21:09, Francisco Ares wrote: > > > 2015-09-02 17:23 GMT-03:00 Alan McKinnon >: > > On 02/09/2015 21:43, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > On Wednesday, September 02, 2015 02:19:24 PM Francisco Ares wrote: > >> Hi, >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage is proposing an ncurses update and I don't understand what it means

On Thursday, September 03, 2015 10:44:49 PM Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 03/09/2015 21:09, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: > > On Thursday, September 03, 2015 9:10:26 AM walt wrote: > >> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 15:34:43 +0200 > >> Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> > >>> On 02/09/2015 15:04,

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On 09/03/2015 01:24 PM, Mick wrote: > On Thursday 03 Sep 2015 15:27:26 Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 03/09/2015 15:56, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > >>> sys-kernel/gentoo-sources >>> sys-kernel/gentoo-sources:3.10.17 >>> sys-kernel/gentoo-sources:3.5.7 >> >> Wee bit behind on kernel versions... >

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On 03/09/2015 21:11, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > [snip] > > Thank you for your helping hand. Yes, did perform the surgery (removing the > packages you suggested) and run: emerge --depclean -p analyzed every package > it wants to remove and put it back in world. > I see you are getting

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On 03/09/2015 21:56, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > On 09/03/2015 01:24 PM, Mick wrote: >> On Thursday 03 Sep 2015 15:27:26 Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> On 03/09/2015 15:56, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >> sys-kernel/gentoo-sources sys-kernel/gentoo-sources:3.10.17

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

2015-09-03 11:31 GMT-03:00 James : > Francisco Ares gmail.com> writes: > > > > Sorry for such WAY out of topic message, but Gentoo users are also way > > out of regular computer users. > > Far out man. some psychedelic mood music, say Pink Floyd Ummagumma:: >

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > Thelma Suggestion. To avoid that world file getting cluttered up again, why not add -1 or --oneshot to your make.conf for emerge defaults? That way you can emerge away and not worry about it being added to your world file. If you really want something added to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage is proposing an ncurses update and I don't understand what it means

>> I think it is an Einstein quote [..] > And Feynmann said something [..] >>> I don't think they're misnamed, the problem is in our heads. [..] tl;dr I don't care. I want to be a gentoo-USER (see name of ml). Don't get me wrong, I like fuzzing around with details etc (and most

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

On 03/09/2015 21:46, Francisco Ares wrote: > Me, too, a hardware guy, but having to learn high level stuff. Here at > the company that work for, we had a programmer a couple of years ago, > that has gone for a better opportunity. So I got his load. > > Blinking a bunch of LEDs is where I started.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

On Thursday, September 03, 2015 01:16:47 AM James wrote: > Alan McKinnon gmail.com> writes: > > > Last, I suggest a parallel learning of C/C++ as it really helps > > > > ^this^, after the basics are fully mastered. > > > > netmasks make no sense at all until bitwise operators are fully > >

Re: [gentoo-user] [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

In order to complete other answers, I woul like to point out a test environment that would be nice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marionnet

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage is proposing an ncurses update and I don't understand what it means

walt wrote: > On Wed, 02 Sep 2015 10:53:00 -0500 > Dale wrote: > >> walt wrote: >>> Thanks also to wabe and Fernando for your replies. Just for the >>> record I did the update this morning, which completed without >>> errors. qlop shows that both updates completed, but eix

Re: [gentoo-user] [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

On Thursday, September 03, 2015 09:28:05 AM Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: > In order to complete other answers, I woul like to point out a test > environment that would be nice: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marionnet Cool! :) I wrote something like this at uni. The version the professor had

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

On 03/09/2015 03:16, James wrote: > Alan McKinnon gmail.com> writes: > > >>> Last, I suggest a parallel learning of C/C++ as it really helps > >> ^this^, after the basics are fully mastered. > >> netmasks make no sense at all until bitwise operators are fully >> understood. Even CIDR

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage is proposing an ncurses update and I don't understand what it means

On 04/09/2015 00:05, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > >>> I think it is an Einstein quote > > [..] > >> And Feynmann said something > > [..] > I don't think they're misnamed, the problem is in our heads. > > [..] > > tl;dr > > I don't care. > I want to be a gentoo-USER (see

Re: [gentoo-user] broken seamonkey :(

Fernando Rodriguez writes: > On Thursday, September 03, 2015 9:53:39 PM lee wrote: >> Hi, >> >> since quite a while, seamonkey and its relatives are completely broken >> when it comes to use self-signed certificates. They just refuse the >> connection to the

[gentoo-user] dhcpd always shows "crashed" even though it's running

For some reason, whenever I check the status of my startup scripts, dhcpd registers as "crashed". However, dhcpd is up and running and working fine. Normally I don't worry about it, but on those occasions where dhcpd does stop working, it's hard to tell if it's "fixed" or not. What makes

Re: [gentoo-user] broken seamonkey :(

On Friday, September 04, 2015 1:39:46 AM lee wrote: > Fernando Rodriguez writes: > > > On Thursday, September 03, 2015 9:53:39 PM lee wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> since quite a while, seamonkey and its relatives are completely broken > >> when it comes to use

Re: [gentoo-user] dhcpd always shows "crashed" even though it's running

On Thursday, September 03, 2015 8:09:02 PM Mike Edenfield wrote: > For some reason, whenever I check the status of my startup scripts, > dhcpd registers as "crashed". However, dhcpd is up and running and > working fine. Normally I don't worry about it, but on those occasions > where dhcpd does

Re: [gentoo-user] broken seamonkey :(

On Thursday, September 03, 2015 9:53:39 PM lee wrote: > Hi, > > since quite a while, seamonkey and its relatives are completely broken > when it comes to use self-signed certificates. They just refuse the > connection to the server, blocking you from accessing your email. > > Is there still no

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage is proposing an ncurses update and I don't understand what it means

On 03/09/2015 21:09, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: > On Thursday, September 03, 2015 9:10:26 AM walt wrote: >> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 15:34:43 +0200 >> Alan McKinnon wrote: >> >>> On 02/09/2015 15:04, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 05:24:33 -0700, walt wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] broken seamonkey :(

lee wrote: > Fernando Rodriguez writes: > >> On Thursday, September 03, 2015 9:53:39 PM lee wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> since quite a while, seamonkey and its relatives are completely broken >>> when it comes to use self-signed certificates. They just refuse the >>>

Re: [gentoo-user] dhcpd always shows "crashed" even though it's running

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote: > For some reason, whenever I check the status of my startup scripts, dhcpd > registers as "crashed". However, dhcpd is up and running and working fine. > Normally I don't worry about it, but on those occasions where dhcpd

Re: [gentoo-user] [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

On Thursday, September 03, 2015 10:47:45 PM Alan McKinnon wrote: > The absolute best network RFCs are the ones about coffeepot over HTTP, > and IP by carrier pigoen (or is it Avain IP? something like that) Which, if I'm not mistaken, was actually proven to provide a higher bandwidth than wired

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On 03/09/2015 15:06, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: > On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 02:25:47PM -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >> I've tried to post a "log" file to the http://pastebin.com/ you >> suggested but I can only paste the limited size file (not upload it). >> Since the txt file is 7.4Mb in size,

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 08:52:22PM +0200, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On Wednesday 02 September 2015 03:22:44 Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: > > > > This kind of language does not belong here. If you can not refrain > > > yourself making sarcastic

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 02:25:47PM -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > I've tried to post a "log" file to the http://pastebin.com/ you > suggested but I can only paste the limited size file (not upload it). > Since the txt file is 7.4Mb in size, I can not paste it. > Though, I have compress the

Re: [gentoo-user] dhcpd always shows "crashed" even though it's running

Fernando Rodriguez wrote: > On Thursday, September 03, 2015 8:47:34 PM Dale wrote: > > I don't know if this will help or not but don't forget the zap option. > > root@fireball / # /etc/init.d/dhcpcd > broken ineediuse needsme pauserestart startstatus > stop usesme

Re: [gentoo-user] dhcpd always shows "crashed" even though it's running

Fernando Rodriguez wrote: > On Thursday, September 03, 2015 8:09:02 PM Mike Edenfield wrote: >> For some reason, whenever I check the status of my startup scripts, >> dhcpd registers as "crashed". However, dhcpd is up and running and >> working fine. Normally I don't worry about it, but on those

Re: [gentoo-user] dhcpd always shows "crashed" even though it's running

On Thursday, September 03, 2015 8:47:34 PM Dale wrote: > Fernando Rodriguez wrote: > > On Thursday, September 03, 2015 8:09:02 PM Mike Edenfield wrote: > >> For some reason, whenever I check the status of my startup scripts, > >> dhcpd registers as "crashed". However, dhcpd is up and running and