Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:04:06 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Why would they? /usr/kde/3.5/bin comes first in KDE 3 sessions and last in KDE 4 sessions. There's no problem at all. Not here % echo $PATH

[gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-23 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:04:06 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Why would they? /usr/kde/3.5/bin comes first in KDE 3 sessions and last in KDE 4 sessions. There's no problem at all. Not here % echo $PATH

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-23 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:04:06 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Why would they? /usr/kde/3.5/bin comes first in KDE 3 sessions and last in KDE 4 sessions. There's no problem at all. Not here % echo $PATH

[gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-23 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:04:06 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Why would they? /usr/kde/3.5/bin comes first in KDE 3 sessions and last in KDE 4 sessions. There's no problem at all. Not here % echo $PATH

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:54:52 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Maybe because you *do* use kdeprefix. Maybe it's better without it, like here, where it works ;D I get the same order on this computer, which does not have KDE4. That's because you don't have it. `echo $PATH` in a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-23 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:04:06 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Why would they? /usr/kde/3.5/bin comes first in KDE 3 sessions and last in KDE 4 sessions. There's no problem at all. Not here % echo $PATH

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-22 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 02:18:27 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: OK, now I'm really curious; turns out they are NOT dependencies :P I just checked with equery and nothing depends on them. Is that normal? I mean, startkde for example is crucial to even start KDE 3 and it's not a dependency?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-22 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:57:22 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: And how is putting KDE4 in /usr/kde going to help in this? What difference does it make if the wrong path is chosen? Surely, it doesn't matter a bit how that path looks like if it's wrong. If a KDE4 path would come before a KDE3

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-22 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:57:22 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: And how is putting KDE4 in /usr/kde going to help in this? What difference does it make if the wrong path is chosen? Surely, it doesn't matter a bit how that path looks like if it's wrong. If a KDE4

[gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-22 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:57:22 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: And how is putting KDE4 in /usr/kde going to help in this? What difference does it make if the wrong path is chosen? Surely, it doesn't matter a bit how that path looks like if it's wrong. If

[gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-22 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:57:22 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: And how is putting KDE4 in /usr/kde going to help in this? What difference does it make if the wrong path is chosen? Surely, it doesn't matter a bit how that path looks like if it's wrong. If a KDE4 path

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-22 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:57:22 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: And how is putting KDE4 in /usr/kde going to help in this? What difference does it make if the wrong path is chosen? Surely, it doesn't matter a bit how that path looks like if it's

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-22 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:37:08 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Because /usr/bin will always be in your PATH, so even if you are running a KDE 3 session, KDE4 programs will be loaded. Why would they? /usr/kde/3.5/bin comes first in KDE 3 sessions and last in KDE 4 sessions. There's no

[gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-22 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:57:22 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: And how is putting KDE4 in /usr/kde going to help in this? What difference does it make if the wrong path is chosen? Surely, it doesn't matter a bit how that path looks

[gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-22 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:37:08 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Because /usr/bin will always be in your PATH, so even if you are running a KDE 3 session, KDE4 programs will be loaded. Why would they? /usr/kde/3.5/bin comes first in KDE 3 sessions and last in KDE 4

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-21 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Sun, 2008-12-21 at 06:34 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: [...] The reason is that KDE4 is a new product and has nothing to do with KDE3 other than the name. And another reason is the problem I'm describing in this very thread which should have not been a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Saturday 20 December 2008 14:35:13 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 20 December 2008 11:53:05 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: You can start by giving the relevant information, like what exactly related to kde is in world?. Chances are you only have KDE there, and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-21 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 06:34:39 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Another problem, this time not technical. I just don't want many of those packages in my world file. I want to use depclean and have those packages removed when the package that depends on them is also removed. The depclean

[gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-21 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 06:34:39 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Another problem, this time not technical. I just don't want many of those packages in my world file. I want to use depclean and have those packages removed when the package that depends on them is also

[gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-21 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: kde-base/kate kde-base/kdebase-startkde kde-base/ksmserver These were dependencies and therefore were not in my world file. If they get unmerge, things will break. KDevelop will break without Kate, and KDE 3.5 itself will break without the other two. :P OK,

[gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-21 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 20 December 2008 14:35:13 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 20 December 2008 11:53:05 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: kdeprefix has nothing to do with KDE3. It's not needed. It's only needed to have many KDE4 versions at the same time.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-21 Thread Willie Wong
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 02:18:27AM +0200, Penguin Lover Nikos Chantziaras squawked: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: kde-base/kate kde-base/kdebase-startkde kde-base/ksmserver These were dependencies and therefore were not in my world file. If they get unmerge, things will break. KDevelop

[gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-21 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Willie Wong wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 02:18:27AM +0200, Penguin Lover Nikos Chantziaras squawked: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: kde-base/kate kde-base/kdebase-startkde kde-base/ksmserver These were dependencies and therefore were not in my world file. If they get unmerge, things will

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-21 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Willie Wong wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 02:18:27AM +0200, Penguin Lover Nikos Chantziaras squawked: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: kde-base/kate kde-base/kdebase-startkde kde-base/ksmserver These were dependencies and therefore were not in my world file. If

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-21 Thread Willie Wong
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 04:20:25AM +0200, Penguin Lover Nikos Chantziaras squawked: I'm not using -meta packages. Many packages they pulled in was stuff I don't wanted (like PIM). I emerged KDE packages one-by-one and went with what got pulled in as dependencies. Uh.. then what exactly

[gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-20 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 20 December 2008 08:27:40 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: emerge -av --depclean: kde-base/kopete selected: 3.5.10 protected: none omitted: 4.1.3 kde-base/kget selected: 3.5.10 protected: none omitted: 4.1.3

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-20 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Saturday 20 December 2008 11:53:05 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: You can start by giving the relevant information, like what exactly related to kde is in world?. Chances are you only have KDE there, and emerge will probably want to nuke all but the latest SLOT. Common problems with KDE:

[gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-20 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 20 December 2008 11:53:05 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: You can start by giving the relevant information, like what exactly related to kde is in world?. Chances are you only have KDE there, and emerge will probably want to nuke all but the latest SLOT. Common

[gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-20 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: [...] The reason is that KDE4 is a new product and has nothing to do with KDE3 other than the name. And another reason is the problem I'm describing in this very thread which should have not been a problem if KDE4 had its own tree. Now I'm required to have

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-20 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: [...] The reason is that KDE4 is a new product and has nothing to do with KDE3 other than the name. And another reason is the problem I'm describing in this very thread which should have not been a problem if KDE4 had its own tree. Now I'm