On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:24:01 +0100
Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Which would add an awful lot of complexity and require major design
changes in order to gain anything. The beauty of the ebuild format is
its simplicity. I don't really think it's worth it.
I agree. I have noticed
Hi everyone,
I don't think the programming language is the problem here. The
problem is that some of Portage architectural decisions have a
negative impact on performance. Probably because the developers were
focused on minimizing dependencies (i.e. file system based
persistence) and
*removedlotsofideas*
your ideas sound nice on paper. But one strenght of portage and its
structures: no matter how hosed your 'data', you can repair it with cp, mv,
an emerge sync and a text editor.
Which is all not true, if you start using some database crap.
Go, look at /var/db/pkg - you
On Monday 17 December 2007 14:38:30 Raphael wrote:
So, even if Portage was recoded in C++, performance improvements
would be marginal and the cost in man-hours would be too high. It
would take months before reaching the maturity level Portage has now
and all this time could be better spent
On Dec 17, 2007 11:55 AM, Hemmann, Volker Armin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
*removedlotsofideas*
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your ideas sound nice on paper. But one strenght of portage and its
structures: no matter how hosed your 'data', you can repair it with cp, mv,
an emerge sync and a text editor.
Which is all
On Montag, 17. Dezember 2007, Raphael wrote:
On Dec 17, 2007 11:55 AM, Hemmann, Volker Armin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
*removedlotsofideas*
??
your ideas sound nice on paper. But one strenght of portage and its
structures: no matter how hosed your 'data', you can repair it with cp,
On Dec 17, 2007 12:20 PM, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 17 December 2007 14:38:30 Raphael wrote:
So, even if Portage was recoded in C++, performance improvements
would be marginal and the cost in man-hours would be too high. It
would take months before reaching
On Monday 17 December 2007 16:14:24 Raphael wrote:
Hey, I made someone laugh today. Good deed of the day: check! :P
:)
I was unaware of Paludis. Re-reading the thread now, I saw that
someone mentioned it. After googling for it, seems a lot of people are
fond of it. Why is it not the default
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 06:20:38 -0600
Dale wrote:
...[snip]...
I read a link provided earlier about Plaudis, (sp?). It seems that
Portage has a lot of hacks in it, according to what I read anyway. Is
that true? Also, is it being wrote with python hurting portage as for
as the program itself?
David Relson wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 06:20:38 -0600
Dale wrote:
...[snip]...
I read a link provided earlier about Plaudis, (sp?). It seems that
Portage has a lot of hacks in it, according to what I read anyway. Is
that true? Also, is it being wrote with python hurting portage as
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:05:17 -0600
Dale wrote:
David Relson wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 06:20:38 -0600
Dale wrote:
...[snip]...
I read a link provided earlier about Plaudis, (sp?). It seems that
Portage has a lot of hacks in it, according to what I read
anyway. Is that true?
David Relson wrote:
IMHO, python is a very nice object oriented language and C++ is no
better (unless you need particular features of the language). I
suspect C++ runs somewhat faster, but that's not the issue here. As I
understand, portage needs to deal with lots of special cases and
On Sonntag, 16. Dezember 2007, Randy Barlow wrote:
David Relson wrote:
IMHO, python is a very nice object oriented language and C++ is no
better (unless you need particular features of the language). I
suspect C++ runs somewhat faster, but that's not the issue here. As I
understand,
On 16/12/2007, Randy Barlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David Relson wrote:
IMHO, python is a very nice object oriented language and C++ is no
better (unless you need particular features of the language). I
suspect C++ runs somewhat faster, but that's not the issue here. As I
understand,
[...]
Just think about this horror: gcc/libstdc++ update and your package manager
stops working
Hehehehe. Guess what python is linked against (It doesn't have to be
linked against libstdc++, but it usually is)? =P
CPython is written in C and has no C++ dependencies:
$ ldd `which
On Sunday 16 December 2007 20:32:58 Randy Barlow wrote:
C++ is most certainly going to yield faster programs since it is a
machine compiled language and python is interpreted.
In this case it's not really significant. The biggest performance hit for a
package manager for Gentoo remains I/O no
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Hemmann, Volker Armin ha scritto:
On Sonntag, 16. Dezember 2007, Randy Barlow wrote:
David Relson wrote:
IMHO, python is a very nice object oriented language and C++ is no
better (unless you need particular features of the language). I
suspect
On 16/12/2007, Antonio Quartulli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
And with c++ comes another one: abi changes.
Just think about this horror: gcc/libstdc++ update and your package manager
stops working
Why don't a python upgrade break your package manager??
Also possible, but less
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
one reason pro phyton and contra c and c++ has always been: segfaults.
And with c++ comes another one: abi changes.
Just think about this horror: gcc/libstdc++ update and your package manager
stops working
Well segfaults generally indicate bugs in your
Matan Peled wrote:
I see you haven't read the portage source-code. It isn't so elegant...
And I'm saying this as someone who likes python and thinks it is
generally a Good Idea.
No, I definitely have not, but I have done some Python coding in my
days. I was referring to the language, not the
On Sunday 16 December 2007 22:04:52 Randy Barlow wrote:
Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
In this case it's not really significant. The biggest performance hit for
a package manager for Gentoo remains I/O no matter which language you
use...
Yeah, you are right - although there is one step of an
On Sonntag, 16. Dezember 2007, Randy Barlow wrote:
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
one reason pro phyton and contra c and c++ has always been: segfaults.
And with c++ comes another one: abi changes.
Just think about this horror: gcc/libstdc++ update and your package
manager stops
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