On Saturday 10 November 2007 01:42:04 am Daniel Barkalow wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Nov 2007, James wrote:
> > If you do not like my opinion, you should look at what Daniel Robbins
> > had to say, as I ran across a posting of his today, about this very
> > issue. An awesome collection of techies does not g
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007, James wrote:
> If you do not like my opinion, you should look at what Daniel Robbins
> had to say, as I ran across a posting of his today, about this very
> issue. An awesome collection of techies does not gravitate users
> to join the ranks of distro users. A (easy) graphical
On Friday 09 November 2007, Dale wrote:
> Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:36 -0500, David Relson wrote:
> >> Some efforts were also made with the command line installer. My
> >> problem there was typing and overlooking details. If I mistyped
> >> something (or forgot to enter ne
Most of you can stop reading right now ;-)
I can see that people seem to like Gentoo for different reasons. Here's
what attracted me go Gentoo:
I'm not a Windows convert. I started using Linux before Windows really
made its mark. I remember when most people ran 1 or 2 Windows apps and
everythi
>> Why not? Gentoo is aimed at more experienced users, Linux novices are
>> already amply catered for by other distros. I would never recommend
>> Gentoo to a new Linux user, in the same way that I wouldn't recommend
>> a Ferrari to a learner driver.
I don't necessarily agree. I've recommended
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> Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:05:18 +, Guanqun Lu wrote:
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>>> We can't expect that all the Gentoo users should be a linux geek
>>> first, and then have a try on Gentoo linux sytem.
>> Why not? Ge
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:36 -0500, David Relson wrote:
>
>
>> Some efforts were also made with the command line installer. My
>> problem there was typing and overlooking details. If I mistyped
>> something (or forgot to enter needed info) and went on to the next
>> scree
On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:36 -0500, David Relson wrote:
> Some efforts were also made with the command line installer. My
> problem there was typing and overlooking details. If I mistyped
> something (or forgot to enter needed info) and went on to the next
> screen, there was no way to go back an
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:30:24 -0600
»Q« wrote:
> Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:05:18 +, Guanqun Lu wrote:
> >
> > > We can't expect that all the Gentoo users should be a linux geek
> > > first, and then have a try on Gentoo linux sytem.
> >
> > Why not?
On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:31:21 +, Graham Murray wrote:
> That is as long as the hardware has graphical capabilities. A text
> (curses) based installer would also allow installation on systems with
> serial consoles (like traditional *nix system). A well designed curses
> application is just as e
James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Gentoo needs an easy to use, graphical installation CD, period. What I
> would do is lower(simplify) the goals of what that installation CD
> accomplishes. Once you get a drive prepared, kernel installed and the
> basic tools installed (binary or compiled). At t
Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:05:18 +, Guanqun Lu wrote:
>
> > We can't expect that all the Gentoo users should be a linux geek
> > first, and then have a try on Gentoo linux sytem.
>
> Why not? Gentoo is aimed at more experienced users, Linux novices are
>
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 21:03 -0600, Dan Farrell wrote:
[snip]
Sorry to jump in late in the thread, but have you come across sabayon?
It seems to address some of your concerns...
http://www.sabayonlinux.org/
http://wiki.sabayonlinux.org/index.php
http://junauza.blogspot.com/2007/09/sabayon-gentle-
On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 01:18:35 +
Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And the Gentoo
> manual install is not exactly difficult, it just needs a wilingness to
> read the docs.
A prerequisite that is well deserved. The question is whether there's
a place for another option. The present se
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:45:44 + (UTC), James wrote:
> > At which point the new user is diving into the handbook partway
> > though, missing important information from the first part. There is
> > no point in using graphical installer if users still need to drop to
> > the command line to adminis
Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/ says nothing about a November
> release, or any release date for 2007.1, and that page should be
> considered authoritative.
In my browser, it does say something about a November release of
2007.1. But it also says
Neil Bothwick digimed.co.uk> writes:
> > All you have said presupposes one (erroneous) assumption: that is an
> > easy to use graphical install cannot be used if the distro is source
> > code based. Nothing could be further from the truth. An easy to use
> > graphical installation, should only b
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:05:18 +, Guanqun Lu wrote:
>
>
>> We can't expect that all the Gentoo users should be a linux geek first,
>> and then have a try on Gentoo linux sytem.
>>
>
> Why not? Gentoo is aimed at more experienced users, Linux novices are
> already amp
Neil Bothwick wrote:
All that would do is increase the number of disaffected users. You need
to read the documentation and use the command line to use Gentoo
effectively, hiding that behind a pretty pointy-clicky installer until
the system is installed and then hitting the user with the truth c
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:05:18 +, Guanqun Lu wrote:
> We can't expect that all the Gentoo users should be a linux geek first,
> and then have a try on Gentoo linux sytem.
Why not? Gentoo is aimed at more experienced users, Linux novices are
already amply catered for by other distros. I would nev
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 02:24:49 + (UTC), James wrote:
> All you have said presupposes one (erroneous) assumption: that is an
> easy to use graphical install cannot be used if the distro is source
> code based. Nothing could be further from the truth. An easy to use
> graphical installation, should
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:22:30 -0600
Albert Hopkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
>
> There are lots of distros (Linux and non-Linux) that either don't have a
> graphical install and/or don't have a large user base and still survive.
> I mean Slackware is probably the oldest living distro, is s
On Donnerstag, 8. November 2007, James wrote:
two things:
memory. Every mb wasted for X - or even worse gnome, the biggest memory hog
out there - is a mb that can't be used by gcc. Thus a graphical environment
slows down installation.
cd/dvd space. Every mb wasted for a full blown X and a hard
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 02:24 +, James wrote:
[...]
> All you have said presupposes one (erroneous) assumption: that is an easy
> to use graphical install cannot be used if the distro is source code
> based. Nothing could be further from the truth. An easy to use
> graphical installation, shou
Em Qui 08 Nov 2007, James escreveu:
> Albert Hopkins letterboxes.org> writes:
> > I chose Gentoo to get away from the major distros. There is plenty of
> > competition in that market. Let Gentoo be Gentoo and not Yet Another
> > Ubuntu [TM].
>
[...]
>
> You, nor any respondent has given one shre
I'm going to take a lot of liberties both with humorous informality
(hopefully you'll agree with that name for it) and argument; please
accept it as a cheerfully submitted 'other side of the argument'.
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:32:58 + (UTC)
James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Daniel Iliev gmai
Albert Hopkins letterboxes.org> writes:
> I chose Gentoo to get away from the major distros. There is plenty of
> competition in that market. Let Gentoo be Gentoo and not Yet Another
> Ubuntu [TM].
All you have said presupposes one (erroneous) assumption: that is an easy
to use graphical in
> Well, I think that fixing that abortion of an installation CD
> is of paramount concern. Like it or not, the first thing prospective
> new users see, is the installation process. In my opinion, it
> is of quintessential importance for Gentoo to have a normal,
> functional, easy installation CD.
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 00:32 +, James wrote:
>
> Yes I've installed dozens of gentoo system, and the resulting
> product is wonderful, much akin to a girl with a great personality.
> However, she ain't every going to get 'laid' (become popular)
> because the (installation) process is *UGLY*.
Daniel Iliev gmail.com> writes:
> > I´m waiting for too.
> Why?
> In other words I don't need too many releases, but prefer the devs
> spend their time for Gentoo on killing :) bugs and filling portage with
> new software instead of taking snapshots and building CD/DVD images.
Well, I think
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