Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-18 Thread Stroller
On 17 August 2013, at 12:49, Dan Johansson wrote: ... The usr-merge will be a slow, gradual change; it will probably take years. The systemd package entered the tree in June 2011, after more than a year in an overlay, and then it took more than two years to make it an official alternative to

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-18 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 18/08/2013 08:40, Stroller wrote: On 17 August 2013, at 12:49, Dan Johansson wrote: ... The usr-merge will be a slow, gradual change; it will probably take years. The systemd package entered the tree in June 2011, after more than a year in an overlay, and then it took more than two years

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-17 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 08/16/2013 07:29 AM, Alessio Ababilov wrote: 2013/8/13 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com mailto:can...@gmail.com I think it's a great experiment, but perhaps too much work for little gain, at least currently. Thank you! The next council meeting will vote if separated

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-17 Thread the . guard
But requiring people to have an initramfs to boot a system that doesn't legitimately require it is silly. I don't even have /usr mounted separately, but there are many, many different system configurations out there and Gentoo is famous for supporting a wide variety. That variety is stomped

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-17 Thread Dan Johansson
On 16.08.2013 15:57, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Alessio Ababilov ilovegnuli...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/8/13 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com I think it's a great experiment, but perhaps too much work for little gain, at least currently. Thank you! The

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-17 Thread Alon Bar-Lev
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Dan Johansson dan.johans...@dmj.nu wrote: On 16.08.2013 15:57, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Alessio Ababilov ilovegnuli...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/8/13 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com I think it's a great experiment, but

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-16 Thread Alessio Ababilov
2013/8/13 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com I think it's a great experiment, but perhaps too much work for little gain, at least currently. Thank you! The next council meeting will vote if separated /usr without and initramfs is officially supported by Gentoo; I hope this time around

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-16 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-08-16 8:29 AM, Alessio Ababilov ilovegnuli...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/8/13 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com mailto:can...@gmail.com I think it's a great experiment, but perhaps too much work for little gain, at least currently. Thank you! The next council meeting will

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-16 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Alessio Ababilov ilovegnuli...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/8/13 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com I think it's a great experiment, but perhaps too much work for little gain, at least currently. Thank you! The next council meeting will vote if separated /usr

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-16 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2013-08-16 8:29 AM, Alessio Ababilov ilovegnuli...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/8/13 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com mailto:can...@gmail.com I think it's a great experiment, but perhaps too much work for little

How hard is it to move separate /usr to / partition? - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-16 Thread Tanstaafl
So, in order to fix a system I'd rather not reinstall from scratch... Is this possible? Easy? Recommended?

Re: How hard is it to move separate /usr to / partition? - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-16 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: So, in order to fix a system I'd rather not reinstall from scratch... Is this possible? Easy? Recommended? If you have physical access to the system, and a large enough /, it's really easy. You boot from a livecd,

Re: How hard is it to move separate /usr to / partition? - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-16 Thread Tanstaafl
Thanks for the reply Canek On 2013-08-16 10:48 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: If you have physical access to the system, I do. and a large enough /, Well... / is 19GB, with 18GB available. /usr is 20GB, with 13GB used, with 7.9GB available. I guess I'd be ok with going

Re: How hard is it to move separate /usr to / partition? - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 16/08/2013 17:04, Tanstaafl wrote: Thanks for the reply Canek On 2013-08-16 10:48 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: If you have physical access to the system, I do. and a large enough /, Well... / is 19GB, with 18GB available. /usr is 20GB, with 13GB used, with

Re: How hard is it to move separate /usr to / partition? - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-16 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: Thanks for the reply Canek On 2013-08-16 10:48 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: If you have physical access to the system, I do. and a large enough /, Well... / is 19GB, with 18GB

Re: How hard is it to move separate /usr to / partition? - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-16 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: And really, maybe you could try an initramfs? It will be much more easy than any juggle of filesystems. I always compile my kernels manually, by choice - so, no desire to use genkernel or dracut. How would I then

Re: How hard is it to move separate /usr to / partition? - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-16 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 11:04:35 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: And really, maybe you could try an initramfs? It will be much more easy than any juggle of filesystems. I always compile my kernels manually, by choice - so, no desire to use genkernel or dracut. How would I then create one? I am

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-15 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 08/13/2013 01:08 PM, Alessio Ababilov wrote: 2013/8/13 the the.gu...@mail.ru mailto:the.gu...@mail.ru The site doesn't describe any real problems. Well, it is a question to discuss. I am not going to begin a holy war, I would like just to provide a possibility to perform a

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-13 Thread 东方巽雷
more information? 2013/8/13 Alessio Ababilov ilovegnuli...@gmail.com Hi! I wrote a script that allows /usr merge in Gentoo without changes to ebuilds. I described it in an article http://aababilov.wordpress.com/2013/07/17/usr-merge-in-gentoo/ Are there any volunteers to test it? I use

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-13 Thread Alessio Ababilov
/usr merge is the process of making /bin, /sbin, and /lib to be symlinks to corresponding directories in /usr. It is done in Fedora and several other distros now, and also in Solaris 15 years ago. Benefits from /usr merge are described here:

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-13 Thread pk
On 2013-08-13 16:05, Alessio Ababilov wrote: /usr merge is the process of making /bin, /sbin, and /lib to be symlinks to corresponding directories in /usr. It is done in Fedora and several other distros now, and also in Solaris 15 years ago. Benefits from /usr merge are described here:

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-13 Thread the
On 08/13/13 18:05, Alessio Ababilov wrote: /usr merge is the process of making /bin, /sbin, and /lib to be symlinks to corresponding directories in /usr. It is done in Fedora and several other distros now, and also in Solaris 15 years ago. Benefits from /usr merge are described here:

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-13 Thread Alessio Ababilov
2013/8/13 the the.gu...@mail.ru The site doesn't describe any real problems. Well, it is a question to discuss. I am not going to begin a holy war, I would like just to provide a possibility to perform a harmless /usr merge for those who share FreeDesktop's opinion. Also I don't see how the

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-13 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Alessio Ababilov ilovegnuli...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! Hi Alessio. I wrote a script that allows /usr merge in Gentoo without changes to ebuilds. I described it in an article http://aababilov.wordpress.com/2013/07/17/usr-merge-in-gentoo/ Are there any

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