On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Marc Stürmer m...@marc-stuermer.de wrote:
Am 22.01.2015 um 19:06 schrieb Tom H:
Sure. My point was that anyone can claim that systemd is (un)popular
in the embedded space.
I don't know if it is popular; in embedded systems though the last thing you
need are
Hi, Rich.
On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 12:58:48PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 11:37:00AM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote:
Do you regularly update the software on your embedded system?
systemd-183 hasn't
On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 11:37:00AM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote:
Do you regularly update the software on your embedded system?
systemd-183 hasn't changed a bit since the day it was released.
systemd-183's velocity is unchanged
On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Marc Stürmer m...@marc-stuermer.de wrote:
Am 22.01.2015 um 19:06 schrieb Tom H:
Sure. My point was that anyone can claim that systemd is (un)popular
in the embedded space.
I don't know if it is popular; in embedded systems though the last thing you
need
Am 22.01.2015 um 19:06 schrieb Tom H:
Sure. My point was that anyone can claim that systemd is (un)popular
in the embedded space.
I don't know if it is popular; in embedded systems though the last thing
you need are fast moving targets IMHO, you want to use proven, reliable
tools.
If
Hello, Rich.
On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 11:37:00AM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Marc Stürmer m...@marc-stuermer.de wrote:
Am 22.01.2015 um 19:06 schrieb Tom H:
Sure. My point was that anyone can claim that systemd is (un)popular
in the embedded space.
I
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
Samsung's starting to release Tizen-driven phones, TVs, white goods,
etc. Tizen uses systemd and, given the size of Samsung, the number of
systemd embedded
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Just as a data point, the last project I worked on was an automotive
system, whose controller was a 32-bit Power PC with 768k/64k code/data
flash, and 64k RAM. It did not run systemd! Rather than Linux, it ran
Autosar (a
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 04:28:26PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote
I wonder how small linux can actually get in such a world, assuming
you still needed the multitasking, drivers, etc (which would be the
main benefits of running an OS vs just embedding a single program
written in C that directly
On 19.01.2015 22:49, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
I learned my first steps with ansible around these ansible-playbook(s):
https://github.com/jameskyle/ansible-gentoo
Here my changes in a fork of the mentioned ansible-role:
https://github.com/stefangweichinger/ansible-gentoo
Maybe someone is
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm also curious about the future ChromeOS init. Upstart is, sadly,
walking dead (IIUC Ubuntu'll stop using it in 2019 once 14.04 is
EOLd). It's going to be systemd or Android init, isn't it? AIUI Google
wants to have Android
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Marc Stürmer m...@marc-stuermer.de wrote:
Zitat von Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com:
Lennart claims that the embedded world loves systemd. I suspect that,
as in other corners of the Linux world, there are lovers and haters of
systemd.
Embedded systems also quite
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
Samsung's starting to release Tizen-driven phones, TVs, white goods,
etc. Tizen uses systemd and, given the size of Samsung, the number of
systemd embedded devices is going to skyrocket in the next few years.
Samsung wouldn't
Hello Rich, and everybody else, Happy New Year!
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 01:16:53PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
Samsung's starting to release Tizen-driven phones, TVs, white goods,
etc. Tizen uses systemd and, given the size of
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 1:03 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
I think the fundamental flaw with systemd is the fact that the duality
of support for systemd and other init solutions is so quickly abondoned.
If they were allowed (encouraged) to run side by side for a few years,
let
Zitat von Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com:
Lennart claims that the embedded world loves systemd. I suspect that,
as in other corners of the Linux world, there are lovers and haters of
systemd.
Embedded systems also quite often means low on resources, CPU power,
memory, space.
If you are using
On Mon, 19 Jan 2015 18:03:44 + (UTC) James wrote:
Interestingly, Bircoph has solve many of the problems that seem to be in my
path of discovery.
If you have any questions about particular issues, we may discuss
them. Out of my memory for all setups we use nothing really special
— standard
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Marc Stürmer m...@marc-stuermer.de wrote:
Zitat von Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com:
Lennart claims that the embedded world loves systemd. I suspect that,
as in other corners of the Linux world, there are lovers and haters of
systemd.
Embedded systems also quite
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 5:32 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
Rich Freeman rich0 at gentoo.org writes:
Lots of folks everywhere are saying no thanks anyway. I'd be
shocked if embedded was any different. Lots of distros want nothing
to do with it, and lots of distros are switching
Am 19.01.2015 um 19:03 schrieb James:
I think you drasitcally over_estimate the number of those happy linux
distro users. I think if there was an easy way to perform a few typical
gentoo installs (workstation, mail-server, web server, dns server,
hardended*) then folks would migrate heavily
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 07:00:52PM +0300, Andrew Savchenko wrote
3) Individual interested in getting every bit of performance
possible from own hardware. Frankly this was the reason why I
switched to Gentoo from RH about 8 years ago. I just tired to
rebuild each time a significant part of
On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 21:04:44 -0500 Rich Freeman wrote:
Speak for yourself. :) I did comment on my thoughts in this area in
Donnie's thread. Gentoo (IMHO) tends not to be the best distro for
doing anything in particular. I find that its best feature is that it
is reasonably good at doing
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Andrew Savchenko birc...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 21:04:44 -0500 Rich Freeman wrote:
Speak for yourself. :) I did comment on my thoughts in this area in
Donnie's thread. Gentoo (IMHO) tends not to be the best distro for
doing anything in
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 1:03 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
I think the fundamental flaw with systemd is the fact that the duality
of support for systemd and other init solutions is so quickly abondoned.
If they were allowed (encouraged) to run side by side for a few years,
let
On 18/01/2015 04:04, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Jan 17, 2015 1:56 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2015-01-16, Paul B. Henson hen...@acm.org wrote:
http://www.linuxvoice.com/interview-lennart-poettering/
So it seems the reason (in Lennart Poettering's imagination at least)
On Saturday 17 January 2015 07:59:18 Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 17/01/2015 03:35, Philip Webb wrote:
150116 walt wrote:
I'd love to see a bar-chart of the age distribution of gentoo devs
compare it to a chart of the people who hang out in this mailing list
:)
New devs usually seem to
On Fri, Jan 16 2015, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 17/01/2015 03:35, Philip Webb wrote:
OTOH I suspect most of us here starting computing with punched cards ...
Can't say I had that pleasure :-)
I did start with teletype terminals, punched paper tape and a Sinclair
Research Mk14 though!
Paper
On Jan 17, 2015 1:56 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2015-01-16, Paul B. Henson hen...@acm.org wrote:
http://www.linuxvoice.com/interview-lennart-poettering/
So it seems the reason (in Lennart Poettering's imagination at least)
that Gentoo hasn't embraced systemd
On Fri, 16 Jan 2015 20:35:55 -0500, Philip Webb wrote:
OTOH I suspect most of us here starting computing with punched cards ...
And some of you admit it...
--
Neil Bothwick
Confucius say :
He who play in root, eventually kill tree!
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150116 walt wrote:
I'd love to see a bar-chart of the age distribution of gentoo devs
compare it to a chart of the people who hang out in this mailing list :)
New devs usually seem to describe themselves as
I live in a town in Germany with my wife 2-year-old daughter ;
I am finishing my MSc
From: walt
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 5:18 PM
I'd love to see a bar-chart of the age distribution of gentoo devs.
And then compare it to a similar chart of the people who hang out in
this mailing list :)
I'm only a proxy maintainer, not a dev, but in the spirit of data analysis I
On 17/01/2015 03:35, Philip Webb wrote:
150116 walt wrote:
I'd love to see a bar-chart of the age distribution of gentoo devs
compare it to a chart of the people who hang out in this mailing list :)
New devs usually seem to describe themselves as
I live in a town in Germany with my wife
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