Re: [gentoo-user] OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 01:09 on Wednesday 08 September 2010, Paul Hartman did opine thusly: On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 7:58 AM, John Blinka john.bli...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all, My trusty Inspiron 8200 is on death's door and so I'm looking for a new laptop - one that will run

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoos community communication rant

2010-09-08 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wednesday 08 September 2010 02:27:16 Gregory Shearman wrote: In linux.gentoo.user, you wrote: I'm reading your message via a usenet server. linux.gentoo.user is the newsgroup. Replies of course go via the mailing list address. Is that seamless? Can you directly reply to a posting?

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoos community communication rant

2010-09-08 Thread Al
emails too. But you still get the 'new mails' indicator. Good, that you finally start to understand that mails have their disadvantages in producing noise. If you would go a step further you will be able to recognize, how this puts a cap on the potential userbase of Gentoo. Al

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoos community communication rant

2010-09-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:43:13 +0200, Al wrote: emails too. But you still get the 'new mails' indicator. Good, that you finally start to understand that mails have their disadvantages in producing noise. If you would go a step further you will be able to recognize, how this puts a cap on the

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoos community communication rant

2010-09-08 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wednesday 08 September 2010 10:43:13 Al wrote: emails too. But you still get the 'new mails' indicator. Good, that you finally start to understand that mails have their disadvantages in producing noise. Actually, no... With NNTP and Email can both be configured to display in threaded or

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoos community communication rant

2010-09-08 Thread Norman Rieß
On 09/08/10 10:43, Al wrote: emails too. But you still get the 'new mails' indicator. Good, that you finally start to understand that mails have their disadvantages in producing noise. If you would go a step further you will be able to recognize, how this puts a cap on the potential

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoos community communication rant

2010-09-08 Thread Al
If you are unable to configure your mailer to correctly and usefully handle mailing lists, Gentoo may not be the distro for you. Don't be that lordy, Neil! It's not me complaining of noise. I know how to deal with threads. I don't read those topics that don't interest me. It's definitly the

[gentoo-user] broken /usr/lib32/qt4/libQtOpenGL.so.4.6.2

2010-09-08 Thread dhk
Below is the output when I run revdep-rebuild --ignore. This started in the spring and never cleared up. Everything on my amd64 box runs fine and nothing complains about the missing library. I regularly do updates and everytime I run revdep-rebuild --ignore I get the same results. How can I

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoos community communication rant

2010-09-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:19:31 +0200, Al wrote: It's not me complaining of noise. I know how to deal with threads. I don't read those topics that don't interest me. I wish I had your self-control :( It's definitly the email fans having issues with noise. I would say there should be much more

Re: [gentoo-user] broken /usr/lib32/qt4/libQtOpenGL.so.4.6.2

2010-09-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 15:11 on Wednesday 08 September 2010, dhk did opine thusly: Below is the output when I run revdep-rebuild --ignore. This started in the spring and never cleared up. Everything on my amd64 box runs fine and nothing complains about the missing library. I

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoos community communication rant

2010-09-08 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: Of course they are welcome. What is not welcome, and this applies to most walks of life, not only this list, is people who enter an established community and then proceed to tell everyone they are doing it wrong, over and over again. Proposing a change to see the reaction

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoos community communication rant

2010-09-08 Thread Jonathan
On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 22:49:37 +0200 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: We go in circles here. NNTP is be default organzed in threads. You don't open a topic that you are not interested in, even if the thread has 500 messages. Nothing to filter. emails too. But you

[gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-08 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-09-07, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 7:58 AM, John Blinka john.bli...@gmail.com wrote: I really liked the 1600x1200 display on this machine, which I greatly prefer to the 1600x900 display on the more modern Inspiron 1545 I own. ?Most of what

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoos community communication rant

2010-09-08 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wednesday 08 September 2010 17:14:13 Jonathan wrote: On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 22:49:37 +0200 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: We go in circles here. NNTP is be default organzed in threads. You don't open a topic that you are not interested in, even if the thread has

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 17:24 on Wednesday 08 September 2010, Grant Edwards did opine thusly: Since 16:9 panels are the same shape as the ones TVs use, I assume that's why they are cheaper and why the industry prefers them. I thought about that, but the sizes and pixel densities

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoos community communication rant

2010-09-08 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-09-08, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Wednesday 08 September 2010 02:27:16 Gregory Shearman wrote: In linux.gentoo.user, you wrote: I'm reading your message via a usenet server. linux.gentoo.user is the newsgroup. Replies of course go via the mailing list address. Is

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoos community communication rant

2010-09-08 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-09-08, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: One of the largest Linux distributions at the moment is Ubuntu. A quick check on their website doesn't show a News-server. Instead, Ubuntites seem awfully fond of web-based forums. Which I think we can all agree are horrible abominations

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Shared libraries in Gentoo

2010-09-08 Thread Al
In fact, portage is complete overkill and I refuse to allow it to be deployed at work. Check my posting history for the rationale behind this. It is another 2 wrappers to facilitate matters, where there is already is a huge stack of wrappers: * gcc covers the linker * libtool covers gcc and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-08 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: your best bet is to try to find one that is 16:10 instead of 16:9, it will at least give you a little bit more vertical screen space. The pixel ratio is 16:10, is the physical size also 16:10?  IOW are the pixels

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoos community communication rant

2010-09-08 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Wednesday 08 September 2010, Al wrote: My list mails get sorted in subfolders and only the mails that get in the main inbox are indicated as new mail. So lists do not generate noise here. If all mail users would be that clever, nobody would have any reason to complain of noise and it

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-08 Thread Per-Erik Westerberg
On ons, 2010-09-08 at 17:40 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 17:24 on Wednesday 08 September 2010, Grant Edwards did opine thusly: Since 16:9 panels are the same shape as the ones TVs use, I assume that's why they are cheaper and why the industry prefers them.

[gentoo-user] X11 traffic analyzer

2010-09-08 Thread Alex Schuster
Hi there! Is there such a thing as a traffic/protocol analyzer for X11? I have a self-written application (using the old XView toolkit), and under certain circumstances some dialogs do not react. I had this 2 years ago under KDE 3.5, and some people now experience the same when SSH'ing from an

[gentoo-user] Re: X11 traffic analyzer

2010-09-08 Thread James
Alex Schuster wonko at wonkology.org writes: Is there such a thing as a traffic/protocol analyzer for X11? Dunno, but, I'll look into using NMAP for it, as there are thousands of protocols, even some very obscure ones, that you can sniff/analyze with Nmap. I'd be surprised if X11 cannot be

[gentoo-user] AMD Phenom X6 conkyrc: Only four temps?

2010-09-08 Thread meino . cramer
Hi, For my conky I setup the readout of /sys/class/hwmon*. Under /sys/class/hwmon2/* I found six files which reflects the six temperatures of the six cores of the cpu. Or: They should. Conky only reports four temparatures, two remains 0. I cated the according entries in the /sys/class/hwmon2/

Re: [gentoo-user] sudo-1.7.4_p3-r1

2010-09-08 Thread pk
On 2010-09-07 21:48, Mick wrote: Just updated and noticed that the edict: #Reset environment by default Defaults env_reset is no longer in /etc/sudoers. A load of other (commented out) environment incantations were added. What is the importance of this? Do I need env_reset?

Re: [gentoo-user] AMD Phenom X6 conkyrc: Only four temps?

2010-09-08 Thread Jorge Martínez López
Hello! I have the same CPU and I can measure 4 temperatures: one comes from the CPU and three from the motherboard. AFAIK it is not possible to get an individual temperature reading per core. Greetings! -- Jorge Martínez López jorg...@gmail.com

[gentoo-user] can't emerge firefox-3.6.9

2010-09-08 Thread James
cp: cannot create regular file `/var/tmp/portage/www-client/firefox-3.6.9/image///usr/lib64/firefox/defaults/preferences/all-gentoo.js': No such file or directory

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Shared libraries in Gentoo

2010-09-08 Thread Al
How does a program in Gentoo know, where to look for shared libraries? Try running ldconfig -p, which relates to Nikos's comment about ld.so.conf. As you both indicated me in into that direction I played with libtool. During usage it gives a comprehensive answer to our question: quote

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: X11 traffic analyzer

2010-09-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 19:28 on Wednesday 08 September 2010, James did opine thusly: Alex Schuster wonko at wonkology.org writes: Is there such a thing as a traffic/protocol analyzer for X11? Dunno, but, I'll look into using NMAP for it, as there are thousands of protocols, even

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 18:53 on Wednesday 08 September 2010, Per-Erik Westerberg did opine thusly: On ons, 2010-09-08 at 17:40 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 17:24 on Wednesday 08 September 2010, Grant Edwards did opine thusly: Since 16:9

[gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-08 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-09-08, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: I need to shut up now. My hatred of pixelated display devices is showing. I accept an LCD for my notebook as CRTs just don't fit, but nothing beats a real CRT imho for image quality. I presume you mean a nice monochrome display not

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-08 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Which raises another layer of confusion: when a spec says 16:9 does it mean physical dimensions, or pixel density? I've yet to find a device that clearly states *how* it arrived at the numbers it quotes in it's spec.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-08 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Then there's non-square pixels. Without funky voodoo graphics algorithms, my screen displays circles as ovals. That problem should not exist on LCD if you're using the screen's native resolution. For example, the most

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 22:27 on Wednesday 08 September 2010, Paul Hartman did opine thusly: On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Then there's non-square pixels. Without funky voodoo graphics algorithms, my screen displays circles as ovals.

Re: [gentoo-user] can't emerge firefox-3.6.9

2010-09-08 Thread Andrés Becerra Sandoval
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:29 PM, James bjloc...@lockie.ca wrote: cp: cannot create regular file `/var/tmp/portage/www-client/firefox-3.6.9/image///usr/lib64/firefox/defaults/preferences/all-gentoo.js': No such file or directory I have just emerged firefox-3.6.9 successfully on a 32 bit

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 22:14 on Wednesday 08 September 2010, Grant Edwards did opine thusly: On 2010-09-08, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: I need to shut up now. My hatred of pixelated display devices is showing. I accept an LCD for my notebook as CRTs just don't fit,

Re: [gentoo-user] can't emerge firefox-3.6.9

2010-09-08 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:29 PM, James bjloc...@lockie.ca wrote: cp: cannot create regular file `/var/tmp/portage/www-client/firefox-3.6.9/image///usr/lib64/firefox/defaults/preferences/all-gentoo.js': No such file or directory I didn't have this problem. It looks like the ebuild has been

Re: [gentoo-user] broken /usr/lib32/qt4/libQtOpenGL.so.4.6.2

2010-09-08 Thread dhk
On 09/08/2010 09:36 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 15:11 on Wednesday 08 September 2010, dhk did opine thusly: Below is the output when I run revdep-rebuild --ignore. This started in the spring and never cleared up. Everything on my amd64 box runs fine and

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoos community communication rant

2010-09-08 Thread Daniel Troeder
On 09/08/2010 05:27 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Wednesday 08 September 2010 17:14:13 Jonathan wrote: On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 22:49:37 +0200 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: We go in circles here. NNTP is be default organzed in threads. You don't open a topic that you are not

Re: [gentoo-user] broken /usr/lib32/qt4/libQtOpenGL.so.4.6.2

2010-09-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 23:19 on Wednesday 08 September 2010, dhk did opine thusly: On 09/08/2010 09:36 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 15:11 on Wednesday 08 September 2010, dhk did opine thusly: Below is the output when I run revdep-rebuild --ignore.

[gentoo-user] portage broken because of Unicode bugs

2010-09-08 Thread Grant Edwards
After my last update, portage stopped working. Google led me to believe it was this bug: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=317775 Which was said to be fixed in portage 2.1.9. So I upgraded from 2.1.8.X to 2.1.9.1, and now portage is even more broken. Now I can't even use it to

[gentoo-user] How does Gentoo deal with GCC's header fixes?

2010-09-08 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
When building GCC, it will scan all headers in /usr/include and apply fixes to them, and then copy them and use the modified versions. Now a binary distro (AFAIK) will ship the GCC modified headers, so there's no problem. Gentoo on the other hand will work as intended by GCC only if the user

[gentoo-user] Re: portage broken because of Unicode bugs

2010-09-08 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-09-08, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: After my last update, portage stopped working. Google led me to believe it was this bug: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=317775 Which was said to be fixed in portage 2.1.9. So I upgraded from 2.1.8.X to 2.1.9.1, and

Re: [gentoo-user] broken /usr/lib32/qt4/libQtOpenGL.so.4.6.2

2010-09-08 Thread dhk
On 09/08/2010 05:47 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 23:19 on Wednesday 08 September 2010, dhk did opine thusly: On 09/08/2010 09:36 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 15:11 on Wednesday 08 September 2010, dhk did opine thusly: Below is the

Re: [gentoo-user] X11 traffic analyzer

2010-09-08 Thread Adam Carter
Wireshark has an X11 decoder. For tcpdump you could try -vv or -vvv but i would just go straight to wireshark it will almost certainly be more useful. Of course if its inside an ssh tunnel you will only see ssh with a packet sniffer. If you're on the local box sniff lo0.

[gentoo-user] issues with ATH5k and WPA_Supplicant

2010-09-08 Thread Hazen Valliant-Saunders
Well, I've read the online documents; I've emerged wpa_supplicant, and madwifi ath5k loads just fine, for some odd reason I cannot get a carrier with wpa_supplicant; i've blacklisted ath_pci (it's an atheros 5001 rev 01) I know it's staring me in the face however i am wondering if anyone has

Re: [gentoo-user] X11 traffic analyzer

2010-09-08 Thread Alex Schuster
Adam Carter writes: Wireshark has an X11 decoder. For tcpdump you could try -vv or -vvv but i would just go straight to wireshark it will almost certainly be more useful. Of course if its inside an ssh tunnel you will only see ssh with a packet sniffer. If you're on the local box sniff lo0.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Shared libraries in Gentoo

2010-09-08 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: True. But FreeBSD isn't that popular like Windows, Mac or Linux. So you don't work at a Tier 1 ISP then? FreeBSD rules that space. I get hugely better performance out of Postfix on FreeBSD than on Linux - all other ISPs in this country

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] ProFTPd problem with anonymous access

2010-09-08 Thread Adam Carter
Looking further, I found that when I try to log into the laptop as anonymous, I get a 530-Unable to set anonymous privileges error, and in /var/log/messages, I see: ftp: Directory /usr/portage/ is not accessible. Have you tried su'ing to the ftp user to make sure you can still get to

Re: [gentoo-user] AMD Phenom X6 conkyrc: Only four temps?

2010-09-08 Thread meino . cramer
Hi Jorge, thanks for your reply ;) The conkyrc I copied from the net was wrong... And my conclusion following that was wrong also... Best regards, mcc Jorge Mart??nez L??pez jorg...@gmail.com [10-09-09 04:08]: Hello! I have the same CPU and I can measure 4 temperatures: one comes from

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Shared libraries in Gentoo

2010-09-08 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Al oss.el...@googlemail.com wrote: * gcc covers the linker The 'gcc' command is a wrapper for several toolchain commands, from the actual compilers and assemblers down to linker. Yes, it's debatable whether that's really the recommended way (tm), but obviously it seems to be quite

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Shared libraries in Gentoo

2010-09-08 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Al oss.el...@googlemail.com wrote: I think there is a future for second level managers that can be installed into multiple OS and yet set up the very same POSIX invironement. Having that you can build complex software that is portable. IMHO the most work intensive stuff (on per-package

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Shared libraries in Gentoo

2010-09-08 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Al oss.el...@googlemail.com wrote: But I was woundering if the /etc/ld.so.conf was only historical stuff. O.K. is not it's up-to-date. Good to know this. Note that this only applies to certain platforms (mostly GNU/glibc based ones). There might be completely different approaches. It all

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't connect to new router

2010-09-08 Thread Grant
I just got a new TP-Link TL-WR1043ND wireless router but I can't seem connect to it.  I've tried the Gentoo initscript as well as wicd. With the initscript, I get: wlan3: carrier lost wlan3: timed out I see a lot of this in dmesg: b43-phy0 ERROR: MAC suspend failed I can connect to

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] ProFTPd problem with anonymous access

2010-09-08 Thread Jake Moe
On 09/09/10 11:35, Adam Carter wrote: Looking further, I found that when I try to log into the laptop as anonymous, I get a 530-Unable to set anonymous privileges error, and in /var/log/messages, I see: ftp: Directory /usr/portage/ is not accessible. Have you tried su'ing to the ftp user

[gentoo-user] XaraLX

2010-09-08 Thread András Csányi
Hi all, Does anybody know something about Xara Xtreme (http://www.xaraxtreme.org) project? Is this an living project or not? I've tried to install from sunrise overlay, but emerge stopped by error. I've tried to install from source but the same... Eventually I could install by autopackage. but