Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-18 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Mon, September 17, 2012 8:48 pm, Dale wrote: I still have not hooked this thing up yet. We have storms predicted here over the next couple days so I figure I will get a chance to switch whether I want to reboot or not. :/ I live close to the end of the power lines, phone lines and

Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-18 Thread Dale
J. Roeleveld wrote: On Mon, September 17, 2012 8:48 pm, Dale wrote: I still have not hooked this thing up yet. We have storms predicted here over the next couple days so I figure I will get a chance to switch whether I want to reboot or not. :/ I live close to the end of the power lines,

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : suddenly Python 3 appears

2012-09-18 Thread Marc Joliet
Am Mon, 17 Sep 2012 23:27:34 +0100 schrieb David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com: On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:17:47 -0400, Philip Webb wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : suddenly Python 3 appears: 120917 Philip Webb wrote: 120917 David W Noon wrote: print('

Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-18 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tue, September 18, 2012 9:03 am, Dale wrote: J. Roeleveld wrote: On Mon, September 17, 2012 8:48 pm, Dale wrote: I still have not hooked this thing up yet. We have storms predicted here over the next couple days so I figure I will get a chance to switch whether I want to reboot or not.

Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-18 Thread Dale
J. Roeleveld wrote: On Tue, September 18, 2012 9:03 am, Dale wrote: J. Roeleveld wrote: On Mon, September 17, 2012 8:48 pm, Dale wrote: I still have not hooked this thing up yet. We have storms predicted here over the next couple days so I figure I will get a chance to switch whether I

Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-18 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:51:49 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote: Plus, aren't you supposed to only unplug/plug a serial cable when it is off? I'm not sure if they are sensitive to that but pretty sure they were a long time ago. Not sure about Serial, I always did even when switched on when

Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-18 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:51:49 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote: Plus, aren't you supposed to only unplug/plug a serial cable when it is off? I'm not sure if they are sensitive to that but pretty sure they were a long time ago. Not sure about Serial, I always did even when

Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-18 Thread Adam Carter
You were lucky, it's like forgetting to look when you cross the road. Getting away with it once doesn't mean it is safe. Yes, I have blown a UART chip by hotplugging a serial cable, because I'd got away with it before. I must have hot plugged serial connections on Sun, Cisco and Intel boxes

Re: [gentoo-user] virtualbox - serial port

2012-09-18 Thread Joseph
On 09/18/12 07:07, J. Roeleveld wrote: Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to configure virutalbox serial port, but I'm getting an error: NamedPipe#0 failed to connect to local socket /dev/ttyS0 (VERR_ACCESS_DENIED). in inittab I have: c7:2345:respawn:/usr/sbin/faxgetty ttyS0 is

Re: [gentoo-user] virtualbox - serial port

2012-09-18 Thread J. Roeleveld
Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/18/12 07:07, J. Roeleveld wrote: Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to configure virutalbox serial port, but I'm getting an error: NamedPipe#0 failed to connect to local socket /dev/ttyS0 (VERR_ACCESS_DENIED). in inittab I have:

Re: [gentoo-user] virtualbox - serial port

2012-09-18 Thread Alex Schuster
J. Roeleveld writes: Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: ls -l /dev/ttyS0 crw-rw 1 root tty 4, 64 Sep 17 20:56 /dev/ttyS0 Is the above correct permission? Those are default permissions. However those normally won't give a normal user access. You can change the permissions of that

Re: [gentoo-user] virtualbox - serial port

2012-09-18 Thread Joseph
On 09/18/12 15:03, J. Roeleveld wrote: [snip] The tty0 has permission: ls -l /dev/ttyS0 crw-rw 1 root tty 4, 64 Sep 17 20:56 /dev/ttyS0 Is the above correct permission? Thanks, Those are default permissions. However those normally won't give a normal user access. You can change the

Re: [gentoo-user] virtualbox - serial port

2012-09-18 Thread Joseph
On 09/18/12 15:12, Alex Schuster wrote: J. Roeleveld writes: Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: ls -l /dev/ttyS0 crw-rw 1 root tty 4, 64 Sep 17 20:56 /dev/ttyS0 Is the above correct permission? Those are default permissions. However those normally won't give a normal user access. You

Re: [gentoo-user] virtualbox - serial port

2012-09-18 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/18/12 15:12, Alex Schuster wrote: J. Roeleveld writes: Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: ls -l /dev/ttyS0 crw-rw 1 root tty 4, 64 Sep 17 20:56 /dev/ttyS0 Is the above correct permission? Those are default

Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-18 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 20:55:30 +1000, Adam Carter wrote: You were lucky, it's like forgetting to look when you cross the road. Getting away with it once doesn't mean it is safe. Yes, I have blown a UART chip by hotplugging a serial cable, because I'd got away with it before. I must

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel options and udisk

2012-09-18 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Tuesday 18 September 2012 02:13:14 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote: I resent the kernel's insistence on deciding when my monitor should be switched off. I'm perfectly capable of doing that myself, thank you very

Re: [gentoo-user] virtualbox - serial port

2012-09-18 Thread Joseph
On 09/18/12 07:07, J. Roeleveld wrote: Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to configure virutalbox serial port, but I'm getting an error: NamedPipe#0 failed to connect to local socket /dev/ttyS0 (VERR_ACCESS_DENIED). in inittab I have: c7:2345:respawn:/usr/sbin/faxgetty ttyS0 is

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel options and udisk

2012-09-18 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote: On Tuesday 18 September 2012 02:13:14 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote: I resent the kernel's insistence on deciding when my monitor

Re: [gentoo-user] virtualbox - serial port

2012-09-18 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/18/12 07:07, J. Roeleveld wrote: Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to configure virutalbox serial port, but I'm getting an error: NamedPipe#0 failed to connect to local socket /dev/ttyS0

[gentoo-user] Re: virtualbox - serial port

2012-09-18 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2012-09-18, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/18/12 07:07, J. Roeleveld wrote: Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to configure virutalbox serial port, but I'm getting an error: NamedPipe#0 failed to connect to local socket /dev/ttyS0 (VERR_ACCESS_DENIED). [...] What am I

Re: [gentoo-user] virtualbox - serial port

2012-09-18 Thread Joseph
On 09/18/12 11:01, Michael Mol wrote: How do I check if some other application are not using serial port? lsof -n |grep /dev/tty -- :wq Nothing is using ttyS0 so I'm puzzled why virtualbox is giving me permission error -- Joseph

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: virtualbox - serial port

2012-09-18 Thread Joseph
On 09/18/12 15:06, Grant Edwards wrote: I'm trying to configure virutalbox serial port, but I'm getting an error: NamedPipe#0 failed to connect to local socket /dev/ttyS0 (VERR_ACCESS_DENIED). [...] What am I missing? Do you have permissions set correctly to access the serial port normally

[gentoo-user] Re: virtualbox - serial port

2012-09-18 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2012-09-18, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/18/12 15:06, Grant Edwards wrote: I'm trying to configure virutalbox serial port, but I'm getting an error: NamedPipe#0 failed to connect to local socket /dev/ttyS0 (VERR_ACCESS_DENIED). [...] What am I missing? Do you have permissions set

[gentoo-user] Re: virtualbox - serial port

2012-09-18 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2012-09-18, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/18/12 11:01, Michael Mol wrote: How do I check if some other application are not using serial port? lsof -n |grep /dev/tty -- :wq Nothing is using ttyS0 That has nothing to do with a permission error. If you had proper permissions,

Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-18 Thread Paul Hartman
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 4:09 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: Yes, I have blown a UART chip by hotplugging a serial cable, because I'd got away with it before. The strangest thing I fried via hotplug was an Ethernet card via cat5 cable insertion! It made a little electrical pop sound

Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-18 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 4:09 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: Yes, I have blown a UART chip by hotplugging a serial cable, because I'd got away with it before. The strangest thing I fried via

Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-18 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 4:09 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: Yes, I have blown a UART chip by hotplugging a serial cable,

[gentoo-user] MTP auto-mount? (Kindle Fire HD)

2012-09-18 Thread Mark Knecht
Hi all, Are there any known tricks for auto-mounting an MTP device? I think this stuff is used on some newer Android phone so I'm hoping someone has a nice solution. My wife decided to buy the new Kindle Fire HD based on our good experience with the original Kindle Fire. The new device is

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: virtualbox - serial port

2012-09-18 Thread Joseph
On 09/18/12 15:59, Grant Edwards wrote: [snip] I'm in group tty, so I can not figure it out why virtualbox is complaining. What happens when you do cat /dev/ttyS0? -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! ... bleakness at

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel options and udisk

2012-09-18 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Montag, 17. September 2012, 12:57:49 schrieb Dale: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Sonntag, 16. September 2012, 20:39:36 schrieb Dale: The important part is about 'if you are unsure about this, say N here'. Well, I don't think I need USB remote wakeup or anything so I don't think I need

Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-18 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Dienstag, 18. September 2012, 04:50:30 schrieb Dale: One would think that modern stuff would have some sort of protection. Odd. indeed. The modern stuff with protection is called 'usb'. -- #163933

Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-18 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Dienstag, 18. September 2012, 13:03:15 schrieb Michael Mol: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 4:09 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk

Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-18 Thread Paul Hartman
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 4:09 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk

Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-18 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Paul Hartman

Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-18 Thread J. Roeleveld
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:51:49 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote: Plus, aren't you supposed to only unplug/plug a serial cable when it is off? I'm not sure if they are sensitive to that but pretty sure they were a long time ago. Not sure about Serial, I

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel options and udisk

2012-09-18 Thread Dale
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Montag, 17. September 2012, 12:57:49 schrieb Dale: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Sonntag, 16. September 2012, 20:39:36 schrieb Dale: The important part is about 'if you are unsure about this, say N here'. Well, I don't think I need USB remote wakeup or anything

Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-18 Thread Dale
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Dienstag, 18. September 2012, 04:50:30 schrieb Dale: One would think that modern stuff would have some sort of protection. Odd. indeed. The modern stuff with protection is called 'usb'. Well, I meant for the serial/parallel chips tho. Surely it can't be

Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-18 Thread J. Roeleveld
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 4:09 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: Yes, I have blown a UART chip by hotplugging a serial cable, because I'd got away with it before. The strangest thing I fried via hotplug was an Ethernet card via cat5

Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-18 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Dienstag, 18. September 2012, 04:50:30 schrieb Dale: One would think that modern stuff would have some sort of protection. Odd. indeed. The modern stuff with protection is called 'usb'.

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel options and udisk

2012-09-18 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Montag, 17. September 2012, 12:57:49 schrieb Dale: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Sonntag, 16. September 2012, 20:39:36 schrieb Dale: The important part is about 'if you are unsure about this, say

Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-18 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:30:52 -0500, Dale wrote: One would think that modern stuff would have some sort of protection. Odd. indeed. The modern stuff with protection is called 'usb'. Well, I meant for the serial/parallel chips tho. Surely it can't be hard to at least keep them from

Re: [gentoo-user] MTP auto-mount? (Kindle Fire HD)

2012-09-18 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:37:57 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: mark@c2stable ~ $ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules UBSYSTEM==usb, ATTR{idVendor}==1949, ATTR{idProduct}==0007, MODE=0666 mark@c2stable ~ $ Anyway, it's all usable but a bit clumsy. Is there a sensible way I can have the device

Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-18 Thread Dale
Michael Mol wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Dienstag, 18. September 2012, 04:50:30 schrieb Dale: One would think that modern stuff would have some sort of protection. Odd. indeed. The modern stuff with protection is

Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-18 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:30:52 -0500, Dale wrote: One would think that modern stuff would have some sort of protection. Odd. indeed. The modern stuff with protection is called 'usb'. Well, I meant for the serial/parallel chips tho. Surely it can't be hard to at least

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel options and udisk

2012-09-18 Thread Dale
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Montag, 17. September 2012, 12:57:49 schrieb Dale: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Sonntag, 16. September 2012, 20:39:36 schrieb Dale: The important part is about 'if

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel options and udisk

2012-09-18 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:53:53 -0500 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: When I moved in with my GF, her electric bill shoot up to the roof (I brought my 46 LCD TV, PlayStation 3, and in total 5 computers and other electronics). After a couple of months of shock of seeing the electric

Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-18 Thread Paul Hartman
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:30:52 -0500, Dale wrote: One would think that modern stuff would have some sort of protection. Odd. indeed. The modern stuff with protection is called 'usb'. Well, I meant for the

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel options and udisk

2012-09-18 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:53:53 -0500 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: When I moved in with my GF, her electric bill shoot up to the roof (I brought my 46 LCD TV, PlayStation 3, and in total 5 computers and other electronics). After a couple of months of shock of

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel options and udisk

2012-09-18 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 16:03:15 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: My biggest expenses, refrigeration and heating/cooling. I have a large fridge, two deep freezers, two window A/C's for summer and a large heater for the winter. Compare any of those to my computer, the computer is a

Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-18 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 16:00:00 -0500 Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:30:52 -0500, Dale wrote: One would think that modern stuff would have some sort of

Re: [gentoo-user] MTP auto-mount? (Kindle Fire HD)

2012-09-18 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:37:57 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: mark@c2stable ~ $ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules UBSYSTEM==usb, ATTR{idVendor}==1949, ATTR{idProduct}==0007, MODE=0666 mark@c2stable ~ $ Anyway, it's

[gentoo-user] Re: MTP auto-mount? (Kindle Fire HD)

2012-09-18 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2012-09-18, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:37:57 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: mark@c2stable ~ $ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules UBSYSTEM==usb, ATTR{idVendor}==1949,

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel options and udisk

2012-09-18 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Tuesday 18 September 2012 22:03:15 Dale wrote: My biggest expenses, refrigeration and heating/cooling. I have a large fridge, two deep freezers, two window A/C's for summer and a large heater for the winter. Compare any of those to my computer, the computer is a rounding error. My main

[gentoo-user] new machine : mail out, but not in

2012-09-18 Thread Philip Webb
The rest of my new box is working, but -- as expected -- mail isn't. I can send mail, which is recorded in syslog arrives at this machine, but I can't grab mail from the 2 mail servers out there (ISP + UoT). The cron job in /var/spool/cron/crontabs is the same as here with the same

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: MTP auto-mount? (Kindle Fire HD)

2012-09-18 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-09-18, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:37:57 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: mark@c2stable ~ $ cat

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel options and udisk

2012-09-18 Thread Dale
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Tuesday 18 September 2012 22:03:15 Dale wrote: My biggest expenses, refrigeration and heating/cooling. I have a large fridge, two deep freezers, two window A/C's for summer and a large heater for the winter. Compare any of those to my computer, the computer is a

Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-18 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: As someone who's done more electronics work than he ever should, any device that can suffer electrical damage simply by being plugged and unplugged from the thing it's supposed to be plugged into is a shoddy design and really should be in the bin. The only thing I ever

Re: [gentoo-user] MTP auto-mount? (Kindle Fire HD)

2012-09-18 Thread Daniel Frey
On 09/18/2012 10:37 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi all, Are there any known tricks for auto-mounting an MTP device? I think this stuff is used on some newer Android phone so I'm hoping someone has a nice solution. MTP is used on a quite a few newer Android devices, including my Nexus 7. I

Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-18 Thread Paul Hartman
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: New question about HDMI. I have a pretty nice video card that has a 15 pin connector and HDMI. Do I have to do anything special to use the HDMI or does it just send the same signal to both connectors? I have my monitor hooked

[gentoo-user] new machine : mail problem : solved

2012-09-18 Thread Philip Webb
Yet another obscure + unexpected bump to trip over. I carefully copied .fetchmailrc from the other machine -- I'm now using the new one to send this -- made sure it was owned by 'purslow' (user) had read permissions. Not enough ! Could I get error msgs ? How could I find out what it was