Re: [gentoo-user] [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

On Thursday, September 03, 2015 10:47:45 PM Alan McKinnon wrote: > The absolute best network RFCs are the ones about coffeepot over HTTP, > and IP by carrier pigoen (or is it Avain IP? something like that) Which, if I'm not mistaken, was actually proven to provide a higher bandwidth than wired in

Re: [gentoo-user] dhcpd always shows "crashed" even though it's running

Fernando Rodriguez wrote: > On Thursday, September 03, 2015 8:47:34 PM Dale wrote: > > I don't know if this will help or not but don't forget the zap option. > > root@fireball / # /etc/init.d/dhcpcd > broken ineediuse needsme pauserestart startstatus > stop usesme zap

Re: [gentoo-user] dhcpd always shows "crashed" even though it's running

On Thursday, September 03, 2015 8:47:34 PM Dale wrote: > Fernando Rodriguez wrote: > > On Thursday, September 03, 2015 8:09:02 PM Mike Edenfield wrote: > >> For some reason, whenever I check the status of my startup scripts, > >> dhcpd registers as "crashed". However, dhcpd is up and running and

Re: [gentoo-user] dhcpd always shows "crashed" even though it's running

Fernando Rodriguez wrote: > On Thursday, September 03, 2015 8:09:02 PM Mike Edenfield wrote: >> For some reason, whenever I check the status of my startup scripts, >> dhcpd registers as "crashed". However, dhcpd is up and running and >> working fine. Normally I don't worry about it, but on those

Re: [gentoo-user] dhcpd always shows "crashed" even though it's running

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote: > For some reason, whenever I check the status of my startup scripts, dhcpd > registers as "crashed". However, dhcpd is up and running and working fine. > Normally I don't worry about it, but on those occasions where dhcpd does > stop working,

Re: [gentoo-user] broken seamonkey :(

lee wrote: > Fernando Rodriguez writes: > >> On Thursday, September 03, 2015 9:53:39 PM lee wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> since quite a while, seamonkey and its relatives are completely broken >>> when it comes to use self-signed certificates. They just refuse the >>> connection to the server, blocking

Re: [gentoo-user] dhcpd always shows "crashed" even though it's running

On Thursday, September 03, 2015 8:09:02 PM Mike Edenfield wrote: > For some reason, whenever I check the status of my startup scripts, > dhcpd registers as "crashed". However, dhcpd is up and running and > working fine. Normally I don't worry about it, but on those occasions > where dhcpd does s

[gentoo-user] dhcpd always shows "crashed" even though it's running

For some reason, whenever I check the status of my startup scripts, dhcpd registers as "crashed". However, dhcpd is up and running and working fine. Normally I don't worry about it, but on those occasions where dhcpd does stop working, it's hard to tell if it's "fixed" or not. What makes rc-st

Re: [gentoo-user] broken seamonkey :(

On Friday, September 04, 2015 1:39:46 AM lee wrote: > Fernando Rodriguez writes: > > > On Thursday, September 03, 2015 9:53:39 PM lee wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> since quite a while, seamonkey and its relatives are completely broken > >> when it comes to use self-signed certificates. They just re

Re: [gentoo-user] broken seamonkey :(

Fernando Rodriguez writes: > On Thursday, September 03, 2015 9:53:39 PM lee wrote: >> Hi, >> >> since quite a while, seamonkey and its relatives are completely broken >> when it comes to use self-signed certificates. They just refuse the >> connection to the server, blocking you from accessing

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage is proposing an ncurses update and I don't understand what it means

On 04/09/2015 00:05, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > >>> I think it is an Einstein quote > > [..] > >> And Feynmann said something > > [..] > I don't think they're misnamed, the problem is in our heads. > > [..] > > tl;dr > > I don't care. > I want to be a gentoo-USER (see name

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage is proposing an ncurses update and I don't understand what it means

>> I think it is an Einstein quote [..] > And Feynmann said something [..] >>> I don't think they're misnamed, the problem is in our heads. [..] tl;dr I don't care. I want to be a gentoo-USER (see name of ml). Don't get me wrong, I like fuzzing around with details etc (and most p

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage is proposing an ncurses update and I don't understand what it means

On Thursday, September 03, 2015 10:44:49 PM Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 03/09/2015 21:09, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: > > On Thursday, September 03, 2015 9:10:26 AM walt wrote: > >> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 15:34:43 +0200 > >> Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> > >>> On 02/09/2015 15:04, Neil Bothwick wrote: >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

On 03/09/2015 21:46, Francisco Ares wrote: > Me, too, a hardware guy, but having to learn high level stuff. Here at > the company that work for, we had a programmer a couple of years ago, > that has gone for a better opportunity. So I got his load. > > Blinking a bunch of LEDs is where I started.

Re: [gentoo-user] [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

On 03/09/2015 21:09, Francisco Ares wrote: > > > 2015-09-02 17:23 GMT-03:00 Alan McKinnon >: > > On 02/09/2015 21:43, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > On Wednesday, September 02, 2015 02:19:24 PM Francisco Ares wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Sorry for such

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage is proposing an ncurses update and I don't understand what it means

On 03/09/2015 21:09, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: > On Thursday, September 03, 2015 9:10:26 AM walt wrote: >> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 15:34:43 +0200 >> Alan McKinnon wrote: >> >>> On 02/09/2015 15:04, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 05:24:33 -0700, walt wrote: > If the devs can't

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > Thelma Suggestion. To avoid that world file getting cluttered up again, why not add -1 or --oneshot to your make.conf for emerge defaults? That way you can emerge away and not worry about it being added to your world file. If you really want something added to t

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On 03/09/2015 21:56, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > On 09/03/2015 01:24 PM, Mick wrote: >> On Thursday 03 Sep 2015 15:27:26 Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> On 03/09/2015 15:56, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >> sys-kernel/gentoo-sources sys-kernel/gentoo-sources:3.10.17 sys-kernel/gentoo-so

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On 03/09/2015 21:11, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > [snip] > > Thank you for your helping hand. Yes, did perform the surgery (removing the > packages you suggested) and run: emerge --depclean -p analyzed every package > it wants to remove and put it back in world. > I see you are getting th

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On 03/09/2015 19:22, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: > On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 04:27:26PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 03/09/2015 15:56, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >>> dev-libs/check >>> dev-libs/libnl >>> dev-libs/openssl >> >> remove everything in dev-libs > > Not necessarily - dev-libs/check is

Re: [gentoo-user] broken seamonkey :(

On Thursday, September 03, 2015 9:53:39 PM lee wrote: > Hi, > > since quite a while, seamonkey and its relatives are completely broken > when it comes to use self-signed certificates. They just refuse the > connection to the server, blocking you from accessing your email. > > Is there still no s

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

2015-09-03 11:31 GMT-03:00 James : > Francisco Ares gmail.com> writes: > > > > Sorry for such WAY out of topic message, but Gentoo users are also way > > out of regular computer users. > > Far out man. some psychedelic mood music, say Pink Floyd Ummagumma:: > Several Species of Small Furry An

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On 09/03/2015 01:24 PM, Mick wrote: > On Thursday 03 Sep 2015 15:27:26 Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 03/09/2015 15:56, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > >>> sys-kernel/gentoo-sources >>> sys-kernel/gentoo-sources:3.10.17 >>> sys-kernel/gentoo-sources:3.5.7 >> >> Wee bit behind on kernel versions... >

[gentoo-user] broken seamonkey :(

Hi, since quite a while, seamonkey and its relatives are completely broken when it comes to use self-signed certificates. They just refuse the connection to the server, blocking you from accessing your email. Is there still no solution for this problem? I'm totally fed up with it by now. At wo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

2015-09-03 6:51 GMT-03:00 Alan McKinnon : > On 03/09/2015 03:16, James wrote: > > Alan McKinnon gmail.com> writes: > > > > > >>> Last, I suggest a parallel learning of C/C++ as it really helps > > > >> ^this^, after the basics are fully mastered. > > > >> netmasks make no sense at all until bitwi

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On 09/03/2015 01:30 PM, Mick wrote: > On Thursday 03 Sep 2015 20:11:40 the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >> When I boot the computer I see some complain message about "jpeg" but it >> scroll too fast, couldn't read it. Is there a way to pause the boot >> process? > > Configure your /etc/rc.conf tempor

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On Thursday 03 Sep 2015 20:11:40 the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > When I boot the computer I see some complain message about "jpeg" but it > scroll too fast, couldn't read it. Is there a way to pause the boot > process? Configure your /etc/rc.conf temporarily to capture a log file and reboot befor

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

2015-09-03 3:20 GMT-03:00 J. Roeleveld : > On Thursday, September 03, 2015 01:16:47 AM James wrote: > > Alan McKinnon gmail.com> writes: > > > > Last, I suggest a parallel learning of C/C++ as it really helps > > > > > > ^this^, after the basics are fully mastered. > > > > > > netmasks make no se

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On Thursday 03 Sep 2015 15:27:26 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 03/09/2015 15:56, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > > sys-kernel/gentoo-sources > > sys-kernel/gentoo-sources:3.10.17 > > sys-kernel/gentoo-sources:3.5.7 > > Wee bit behind on kernel versions... Yes, only the first is needed, *unless* thel

Re: [gentoo-user] [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

2015-09-02 21:30 GMT-03:00 David M. Fellows : > On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 14:19:24 -0300 > Francisco Ares wrote - > > --089e013a029e929a39051ec6e045 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > Hi, > > > > Sorry for such WAY out of topic message, but Gentoo users are also way > out > > of regular

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

2015-09-02 18:14 GMT-03:00 Alan McKinnon : > On 02/09/2015 22:57, James wrote: > > Last, I suggest a parallel learning of C/C++ as it really helps with > > unix/linux/networking if can look at software sources and see what is > going > > on. > > ^this^, after the basics are fully mastered. > > net

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

Thanks, James. I already know C and a bit of C++, and that's why I want to understand deeply about networking protocols, there are some tricks that I see some device's closed source SDKs doing that I would like to reproduce. And probably - if they worth it - publish as open source, of course. Bes

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

[snip] Thank you for your helping hand. Yes, did perform the surgery (removing the packages you suggested) and run: emerge --depclean -p analyzed every package it wants to remove and put it back in world. Here are the results > Comments inline, edit the world file directly: > [snip] > >> dev

Re: [gentoo-user] [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

2015-09-02 17:23 GMT-03:00 Alan McKinnon : > On 02/09/2015 21:43, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > On Wednesday, September 02, 2015 02:19:24 PM Francisco Ares wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Sorry for such WAY out of topic message, but Gentoo users are also way > out > >> of regular computer users. > >> > >> I i

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage is proposing an ncurses update and I don't understand what it means

On Thursday, September 03, 2015 9:10:26 AM walt wrote: > On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 15:34:43 +0200 > Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > On 02/09/2015 15:04, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > > On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 05:24:33 -0700, walt wrote: > > > > > >> If the devs can't explain slots to their > > >> users then they do

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:27:26 PM Alan McKinnon wrote: > Back to jpeg. One of your first recent posts was about the conflict > between jpeg and jpeg-turbo. You had nxclient requiring jpeg and > something else requiring jpeg-turbo. These conflict and cannot co-exist. > > You are going to h

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

150903 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 11:32:52 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: >> Mick mentioned 'S3' = 'sleep' & 'S4' = 'hibernation' in this connection: >> what do they mean ? Do they correspond to saving to RAM/disk ? > Short answer: Yes > Long answer: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advan

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 11:32:52 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: > I'm planning to build a new machine in the next few weeks, > so I also now plan to set it up to do suspend, hibernate etc ; > I've grabbed a few dox which explain what's involved. > Mick mentioned 'S3' = 'sleep' & 'S4' = 'hibernation' in this

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 04:27:26PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 03/09/2015 15:56, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > > dev-libs/check > > dev-libs/libnl > > dev-libs/openssl > > remove everything in dev-libs Not necessarily - dev-libs/check is for unit testing. It's not a direct dependency of an

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 19:16:21 +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: > >>> sed -i /libs\//d /var/lib/portage/world > >> > >> After running above I get: > >> sed: -e expression #1, char 7: unknown command: `/' > >> > >> Shouldn't it be: > >> sed -i /libs\/d /var/lib/portage/world > > Enclosing the 'sed

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 6:33 PM, wrote: > > On 09/03/2015 09:26 AM, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >> On 09/03/2015 08:28 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: >>> On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:56:33 -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >>> Here is /var/lib/portage/world >>> >>> This contains quite a lot of libra

[gentoo-user] Re: Portage is proposing an ncurses update and I don't understand what it means

On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 15:34:43 +0200 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 02/09/2015 15:04, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 05:24:33 -0700, walt wrote: > > > >> If the devs can't explain slots to their > >> users then they don't understand it themselves. (Hm. That phrase > >> sounds familiar.

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On 03/09/2015 17:26, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > On 09/03/2015 08:28 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:56:33 -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >> >>> Here is /var/lib/portage/world >> >> This contains quite a lot of libraries. As a rule of thumb, you should >> rarely have li

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On 09/03/2015 09:26 AM, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > On 09/03/2015 08:28 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:56:33 -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >> >>> Here is /var/lib/portage/world >> >> This contains quite a lot of libraries. As a rule of thumb, you should >> rarely hav

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

Thanks for the responses to my inquiry re how long systems stay up. My feeling for electronics is that equipment needs stability : temperature + humidity should not vary much & electrons need to flow thro' wires regularly. That suggests a machine will do better if left running. I don't like the i

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On 09/03/2015 08:28 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:56:33 -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > >> Here is /var/lib/portage/world > > This contains quite a lot of libraries. As a rule of thumb, you should > rarely have libraries in world as you don't use them - the software you

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

On 03/09/2015 16:31, James wrote: > PS::I bet McKinnon can build a buffered serial port sniffer out of those old > 74LSxx chips! I have a wide selection of those old 74LS chips in > tubes, just in case you get an itch you need to scratch... > The date codes have fadedall I can make out is .

[gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

Francisco Ares gmail.com> writes: > Sorry for such WAY out of topic message, but Gentoo users are also way > out of regular computer users. Far out man. some psychedelic mood music, say Pink Floyd Ummagumma:: Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave...[2] (now tha

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:56:33 -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > Here is /var/lib/portage/world This contains quite a lot of libraries. As a rule of thumb, you should rarely have libraries in world as you don't use them - the software you have in world uses them. You can quickly clean them out

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On 03/09/2015 15:56, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > On 09/03/2015 07:19 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 03/09/2015 15:06, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: >>> On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 02:25:47PM -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: I've tried to post a "log" file to the http://pastebin.com/ you sug

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On 09/03/2015 07:19 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 03/09/2015 15:06, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 02:25:47PM -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >>> I've tried to post a "log" file to the http://pastebin.com/ you >>> suggested but I can only paste the limited size file (not up

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On 03/09/2015 15:06, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: > On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 02:25:47PM -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >> I've tried to post a "log" file to the http://pastebin.com/ you >> suggested but I can only paste the limited size file (not upload it). >> Since the txt file is 7.4Mb in size,

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 02:25:47PM -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > I've tried to post a "log" file to the http://pastebin.com/ you > suggested but I can only paste the limited size file (not upload it). > Since the txt file is 7.4Mb in size, I can not paste it. > Though, I have compress the

Re: [gentoo-user] audacity-2.0.5 failed to compile

On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 08:52:22PM +0200, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On Wednesday 02 September 2015 03:22:44 Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: > > > > This kind of language does not belong here. If you can not refrain > > > yourself making sarcastic re

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

On 03/09/2015 03:16, James wrote: > Alan McKinnon gmail.com> writes: > > >>> Last, I suggest a parallel learning of C/C++ as it really helps > >> ^this^, after the basics are fully mastered. > >> netmasks make no sense at all until bitwise operators are fully >> understood. Even CIDR notation

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage is proposing an ncurses update and I don't understand what it means

walt wrote: > On Wed, 02 Sep 2015 10:53:00 -0500 > Dale wrote: > >> walt wrote: >>> Thanks also to wabe and Fernando for your replies. Just for the >>> record I did the update this morning, which completed without >>> errors. qlop shows that both updates completed, but eix shows that >>> I now hav