Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-26 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/21/20 5:58 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: It is what just about every other modern application in existence uses. VoIP does not. No RDBMSs that I'm aware of use it as their primary protocol. (Some may be able to use HTTP(S) as an alternative.) Outlook to Exchange does (did?) not use it. It

Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-26 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/21/20 10:15 PM, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: just to double check i got you right. due to flushing the buffer to disk, this would mean that mail's throughput is limited by disk i/o? Yes. This speed limitation is viewed as a necessary limitation for the safety of email passing through

Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-21 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/21/20 11:54 AM, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: thanks. highly appreciate your time. to save space i'll skip parts where i fully agree with/happily-learned. You're welcome. (e.g. loop detection; good reminder, i wasn't thinking about it. plus didn't know of acronyms DSN, MDNs, etc; nice

Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-21 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/21/20 11:01 AM, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: yes, i do consider re-inventing octagonal wheels. I think that it's occasionally a good thing to have a thought experiment about how $THING might be made better. It's probably good to have discussions around green feel types of replacements.

Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-21 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/21/20 6:37 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: This stuff can be interesting to discuss, but email is SO entrenched that I don't see any of this changing because of all the legacy issues. You would need to offer something that is both easier and better to use to such a degree that people are willing

Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-21 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/20/20 7:39 PM, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: 1. receipt by final mail server (mandatory). You're missing the point that each and every single server along the path between the original submission server and the final destination server is on the hook for delivery of the message -or-

Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-19 Thread Grant Taylor
First, well said. On 8/19/20 2:27 AM, Ashley Dixon wrote: Apologies for my unintended verbosity. My subconscious _really_ wanted to point out that SMTP is (generally) RELIABLE. ;-) Second, this is an understatement. Per protocol specification, SMTP is EXTREMELY robust. It will retry

Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-18 Thread Grant Taylor
to start with for personal email. I'd like to build out Grant(Taylor) and Ashley's solution for further learning and testing, on Rpi4 based gentoo systems. robust security and reasonable straightforward (gentoo) admin, is my goal. Sorry to be pedantic, but please list out what you mean

Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-18 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/18/20 4:30 AM, Ashley Dixon wrote: but nothing can replace it in terms of interoperability and convenience. That is an EXTREMELY important point. SMTP is a protocol that completely independent implementations can use to exchange messages with each other. You can set up gateways to

Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-18 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/18/20 5:59 AM, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: redundant as in containing concepts already done in other protocols, so smtp has many re-invented wheels that are already invented in existing protocols. Please elaborate. Please be careful to provide information about /when/ the protocols

Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-18 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/18/20 1:00 AM, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: not specifically with a mail provider, but with other i.t. services, yes. and since they're all humans, then the simplest model that explains this is that this is about humans in general, and same past experience would extend to mail provider's

Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-18 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/18/20 12:43 AM, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: would i get blacklisted for simply not using spf/dkim/etc? even if no other user is using the mail service other than me and i'm not mass mailing? I don't think it's that you would be black listed per say. Rather, I think it's that nothing

Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-17 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/17/20 6:10 AM, Wols Lists wrote: Yup. If you've got mail DNS records pointing at your home server, incoming mail shouldn't be a problem and your vps admin can't snoop :-) True. But the ISP can still sniff the traffic and you can be subject to DPI. Can't you tell your server to forward

Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-17 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/17/20 5:33 AM, Ashley Dixon wrote: How many concurrent users will be connected to the mail server? How much traffic will the S.M.T.P. server receive (read: how many e-mails arrive on a daily basis)? My main VPS has a single digit number of clients and processes anywhere between

Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-17 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/16/20 10:50 PM, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: hi. Hi context: 1. tinfoil hat is on. Okay. 2. i feel disrespected when someone does things to my stuff without getting my approval. Sure. 3. vps admin is not trusty and their sys admin may read my emails, and laugh at me! Do you

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to hide a network interface from an application

2020-08-16 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/16/20 5:07 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: Going OT here, but why do you dislike Docker? I've only recently started using it, so if there are any major, or otherwise, drawbacks, I'd like to know before I get too entwined in their ecosystem. Why do I need one or more (more with older versions)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to hide a network interface from an application

2020-08-15 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/13/20 6:03 PM, Alexey Mishustin wrote: Isn't this classic option suitable? iptables -A OUTPUT -i -m owner --gid-owner noinet -j DROP Ugh. I'm sure that's a viable method to deal with the problem after the fact. But I prefer to not have the problem in the first place. Thus no need to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to hide a network interface from an application

2020-08-15 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/13/20 4:03 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: I'm not sure what "go out of your way" means in this context. I assume I'd create a network namespace for Plex, and then use either macvlan or ipvlan to share one of the physical interaces between the root namespace and the Plex namespace. I've found

Re: [gentoo-user] which filesystem is best for raid 0?

2020-08-12 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/12/20 5:56 PM, Adam Carter wrote: Depends on your use case, ... so what you use will depend on speed/reliability trade off. There are some specific uses cases where speed is desired at least an order of magnitude more than reliability. ext2 is less reliable due to it missing the

Re: [gentoo-user] can't mount raid0

2020-08-12 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/12/20 1:28 PM, Никита Степанов wrote: livecd gentoo # mount /dev/md1 /mnt/gentoo mount: unknown filesystem type 'linux_raid_member' what to do? What does /proc/mdstat show? Is it a partitioned software RAID? If so, you need the partition devices and to mount the desired partition.

Re: [gentoo-user] which filesystem is best for raid 0?

2020-08-12 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/12/20 11:53 AM, Никита Степанов wrote: which filesystem is best for raid 0? I'm guessing that you're after speed more than anything else since you're talking about RAID 0. As such, I'd suggest avoiding a journaling file system as that's probably unnecessary overhead. I'd consider

Re: [gentoo-user] What is faster: amd64 or x86?

2020-08-11 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/11/20 10:37 AM, Gregor A. „schlumpi“ Segner wrote: it’s total nonsense today to install a 32bit kernel on a 64Bit machine. I can see some value in having a 32-bit /only/ system if you /must/ support 32-bit software with no need for 64-bit and would like to avoid the complexity of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-08-07 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/7/20 2:06 PM, james wrote: Here is an short read on the acceptance and usage of IPv6: https://ungleich.ch/u/blog/2020-the-year-of-ipv6/ So, yes I am working on using IPv6, with my RV/mobile-lab. I think that IPv6 is a good thing. But I would be remis to not say that IPv6 is somewhat of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-08-01 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/1/20 1:53 PM, antlists wrote: That's one of the good things about the UK scene. In theory, and mostly in practice, the infrastructure (ie copper, fibre) is provided by a company which is not allowed to provide the service over it, so a mom-n-pop ISP can supposedly rent the link just as

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-08-01 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/1/20 5:36 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: Statically entered in the DHCP server doesn't count as static? Not to the client computer that's running the DHCP client. The computer is still configured to use a dynamic method to acquire it's IP address. -- Grant. . . . unix || die

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-08-01 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/31/20 2:01 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: There may be half way decent ISPs in the US, but I haven't seen one in over 20 years since the last one I was aware of stopped dealing with residential customers. They were a victem of the "race to the bottom" when not enough residential customers were

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-08-01 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/31/20 2:05 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: Nit: DHCPv6 can be (and usually is) dynamic, but it doesn't have to be. It's entirely possible to have a static IP address that your OS (or firewall/router) acquires via DHCPv6 (or v4). [I set up stuff like that all the time.] Counter Nit: That's

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-08-01 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/31/20 1:54 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: If I had a week with nothing to do, I'd love to try to get something like that working You don't need a week. You don't even need a day. You can probably have a test tunnel working (on your computer) in less than an hour. Then maybe a few more hours

Re: [gentoo-user] Local mail server

2020-08-01 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/31/20 12:01 PM, james wrote: yep, at least (2) static IPs. You can actually get away with one static IP. It's ill advised. But it will function. You can also have external 3rd party secondary DNS servers that pull from your (private) primary DNS server. You might even be able to

Re: [gentoo-user] Local mail server

2020-08-01 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/31/20 1:39 PM, james wrote: I'd like to start with a basic list/brief description of these, please? They basically come down to two broad categories: 1) Have the ""static IP bound to an additional network interface on the destination system and leverage routing to get from clients to

Re: [gentoo-user] Local mail server

2020-07-31 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/30/20 3:05 AM, antlists wrote: From what little I understand, IPv6 *enforces* CIDR. Are you talking about the lack of defined classes of network; A, B, C, D, E? Or are you talking about hierarchical routing? There is no concept of a class of network in IPv6. Hierarchical routing is a

Re: [gentoo-user] Local mail server

2020-07-31 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/29/20 5:23 PM, james wrote: Free static IPs? Sure. Sign up with Hurricane Electric for an IPv6 in IPv4 tunnel and request that they route a /56 to you. It's free. #hazFun Note:: here in the US, it may be easier and better, to just purchase an assignment, that renders them yours.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-07-31 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/30/20 5:38 PM, Ralph Seichter wrote: I'd be interested to hear from users who still need to pay extra for IPv6. I'd be willing, if not happy, to pay a reasonable monthly fee to be able to get native IPv6 from my ISP. But it's 2020 and my ISP doesn't support IPv6 at all. :-( As such,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-07-31 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/29/20 1:28 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: I don't know what most ISPs are doing. I couldn't get IPv6 via Comcast (or whatever they're called this week) working with OpenWRT (probably my fault, and I didn't really need it). So I never figured out if the IPv6 address I was getting was static or

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-07-31 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/29/20 9:41 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote: Aren't all IPv6 addresses static? No. SLAAC and DHCPv6 are as dynamic as can be. Static is certainly an option. But I see SLAAC and DHCPv6 used frequently. -- Grant. . . . unix || die

Re: [gentoo-user] Local mail server

2020-07-28 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/28/20 5:18 PM, james wrote: If you know a way around this, with full privileges one gets with static IP addresses, I'm all ears.? A hack that I see used is to pick up a small VPS for a nominal monthly fee and establish a VPN to it. Have it's IP (and ports) directed through the VPN

Re: [gentoo-user] Local mail server

2020-07-19 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/19/20 8:18 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote: Afternoon all, Hi, I'd like to set up a little box to be a local mail server. It would receive mails from other machines on the LAN, and it would fetch POP3 mail from my ISP and IMAP mail from google mail. KMail on my workstation would then read

Re: [gentoo-user] ssh defaults to coming in as user "root"?

2020-07-11 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/10/20 11:12 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: Would the following activity trigger creation of .ssh/config ?? If I'm reading your sequence of events properly, no, they should not alter your desktop's SSH config to cause it to try to log into the notebook as the root user. -- Grant. . . .

Re: [gentoo-user] ssh defaults to coming in as user "root"?

2020-07-10 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/10/20 6:36 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: The question is how did .ssh/config ever get there in the first place? Seeing as how there is a Host entry with your notebook's name, I can only speculate that you, or something you ran, put it there. I find the KeyAlgorithms line to be atypical as

Re: [gentoo-user] SSH xterm not working properly during install

2020-07-07 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/7/20 10:40 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: Thanks, I missed that. I'll try again and see how it goes. If you continue to have problems, I would very much like to know the particulars. My experience has been that changing the TERM environment variable has had very little success in fixing

Re: [gentoo-user] Converting a Portage Flat File to a Directory Structure

2020-04-21 Thread Grant Taylor
On 4/20/20 7:13 AM, Ashley Dixon wrote: Hi gentoo-user, Hi, Following the recent conversation started by Meino, I have decided to convert my package.* files to directory structures. For all but one, this has proven tedious, but relatively painless. My package.use file is another

Re: [gentoo-user] best rss reader?

2020-04-19 Thread Grant Taylor
On 4/19/20 3:15 PM, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: hi - could everyone share his rss reading setup? Hi, 1. what rss feed reader do you use? Primary: rss2email Secondary: Thunderbird 2. what are your theoretical principles that guided you to choose the rss feed that you

Re: [gentoo-user] Alternate Incoming Mail Server

2020-04-11 Thread Grant Taylor
On 4/11/20 4:13 PM, antlists wrote: Which was also a pain in the neck because it was single-threaded - if the ISP tried to send an incoming email at the same time the gateway tried to send, the gateway hung. Ew. I can't say as I'm surprised about that, given the nature of SMTP servers in

Re: [gentoo-user] Alternate Incoming Mail Server

2020-04-11 Thread Grant Taylor
On 4/11/20 2:17 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: Exchange used to do all manner of stupid things, but now that Microsoft is running it themselves and making money from O365, they seem to have figured out how to make it send mail correctly. I've found that Exchange / IIS SMTP is fairly standards

Re: [gentoo-user] Alternate Incoming Mail Server

2020-04-11 Thread Grant Taylor
On 4/11/20 2:08 PM, antlists wrote: Okay, it was a long time ago, and it was MS-Mail (Exchange's predecessor, for those who can remember back that far), but I had an argument with my boss. He was well annoyed with our ISP for complying with RFC's because they switched to ESMTP and MS-Mail

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to disable fuzzy-search in emerge?

2020-04-10 Thread Grant Taylor
On 4/10/20 11:00 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: Yes, that works! Good. Thanks!! You're welcome. I don't know why it didn't occur to me to check for a make.conf variable instead of an environment variable or USE flag. Of course now that I know that make.conf variable's name, I have found it

Re: [gentoo-user] How to disable fuzzy-search in emerge?

2020-04-10 Thread Grant Taylor
On 4/10/20 10:08 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: Yes, I'm aware I can add "--fuzzy-search n" to make it act sane, but is there an environment variable or USE flag or _something_ to make emerge --search do the right thing by default? Does adding it to EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS in /etc/portage/make.conf

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Alternate Incoming Mail Server

2020-04-08 Thread Grant Taylor
On 4/8/20 4:06 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: The driving force behind junkemailfilter.com passed away almost two years ago: Hum. That doesn't call the technology behind it into question. Though it does call into question the longevity of it. Maybe prematurely (?), I removed their lists from

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Alternate Incoming Mail Server

2020-04-08 Thread Grant Taylor
On 4/8/20 3:36 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: So does that mean you have four MX records? Yes. Nolist server Primary MX Backup MX Project Tar server in order of decreasing priority? Exactly. (1) $ dig +short +noshort mx tnetconsulting.net | sort tnetconsulting.net. 604800 IN MX

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Alternate Incoming Mail Server

2020-04-08 Thread Grant Taylor
On 4/8/20 7:39 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: NB: The cheap VPS instances that I work with do have static IP addresses, but they share that static IP with a bunch of other VPS instances. If you want your VPS to have a non-shared static IP address, then make sure that's what you're signing up for

Re: [gentoo-user] Alternate Incoming Mail Server

2020-04-07 Thread Grant Taylor
On 4/7/20 4:53 AM, Ashley Dixon wrote: Grant's mail server, I assume, is configured with the highest security in mind, so I can see how a mail server with a dynamic I.P. could cause issues in some contexts. I don't do any checking to see if the IP is from a dynamic net block or not. Some

Re: [gentoo-user] Alternate Incoming Mail Server

2020-04-07 Thread Grant Taylor
On 4/6/20 10:49 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote: I am afraid most (if not all) ISPs will reject emails if the reverse DNS does not match. My experience has been that there needs to be something for both the forward and reverse DNS. Hopefully they match each other and — and what I call — round

Re: [gentoo-user] Alternate Incoming Mail Server

2020-04-06 Thread Grant Taylor
On 4/6/20 3:17 PM, Ashley Dixon wrote: Hello, Hi, [O.T.] Unfortunately, Grant, I cannot reply to your direct e-mail. My best guess is that you have a protection method in place in the event that the reverse D.N.S.\ does not match the forward ? You're close. I do require reverse DNS. I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Alternate Incoming Mail Server

2020-04-06 Thread Grant Taylor
On 4/6/20 1:16 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: Greylisting suffers from one problem that unplugging the server doesn't: greylisting usually works on a triple like (IP address, sender, recipient), and can therefore continue to reject people who do retry, but retry from a different IP address. This

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Alternate Incoming Mail Server

2020-04-06 Thread Grant Taylor
On 4/6/20 1:03 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: More often than not, yes. The main exception I've seen are sites that email you verification codes, such as some sorts of "two-factor" implementations (whether these are really two-factor I'll set aside for now). Many of these services will retry, but

Re: [gentoo-user] Alternate Incoming Mail Server

2020-04-06 Thread Grant Taylor
On 4/6/20 11:55 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: Ok, you're right. ;-) My suggestion to create multiple records was in response to the claim that there are MTAs that will try a backup MX, but won't retry the primary MX, which is false to begin with. Trying to argue against an untrue premise

Re: [gentoo-user] Alternate Incoming Mail Server

2020-04-06 Thread Grant Taylor
On 4/6/20 11:14 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: Why don't you say which MTA it is that both (a) combines MX records with different priorities, and (b) doesn't retry messages to the primary MX? You seem to have conflated the meaning of my message. I only stated that I've seen multiple MTAs to (a)

Re: [gentoo-user] Alternate Incoming Mail Server

2020-04-06 Thread Grant Taylor
On 4/6/20 6:35 AM, Ashley Dixon wrote: Hello, Hi, After many hours of confusing mixtures of pain and pleasure, I have a secure and well-behaved e-mail server which encompasses all the features I originally desired. Full STOP! I hoist my drink to you and tell the bar keep that your next

Re: [gentoo-user] Alternate Incoming Mail Server

2020-04-06 Thread Grant Taylor
On 4/6/20 10:43 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: Well, I can't refute an anecdote without more information, but if you're worried about this you can create the same MX record twice so that the "backup" is the primary. That's not going to work as well as you had hoped. I've run into many MTAs that

Re: [gentoo-user] Alternate Incoming Mail Server

2020-04-06 Thread Grant Taylor
On 4/6/20 10:19 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: I find that, with a backup MX, I don't seem to loose emails. Having multiple email servers of your own, primary, secondary, tertiary, etc, makes it much more likely that the email will move from the sending systems control to your control. I think

Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc?

2020-04-04 Thread Grant Taylor
On 4/4/20 11:34 AM, tu...@posteo.de wrote: Hi, Hi, I am currently preparing a new harddisc as home for my new Gentoo system. Is it possible to recreate exactlu the same pool of applications/programs/libraries etc..., which my current system have - in one go? Baring cosmic influences, I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: mail cannot send emails (trying to use it with smartd)

2020-04-03 Thread Grant Taylor
On 4/3/20 4:01 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: If you want to become an ultra-professional, that's fine. If you just want to be able to send mail interactively from mutt... OK, that's a bad example now that mutt has built-in SMTP client capabilities. How about ... if you only want to get email

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: mail cannot send emails (trying to use it with smartd)

2020-04-03 Thread Grant Taylor
On 4/2/20 10:47 PM, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: wow, didn't know sendmail's syntax was so hard it needed a compiler :D thank you very much for your help. highly appreciated. I think that's an inaccurate statement. First, m4 is a macro package, not a compiler. Second, the macros are used to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: mail cannot send emails (trying to use it with smartd)

2020-04-03 Thread Grant Taylor
On 4/2/20 8:23 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: It's very powerful but the configuration file format is almost impossible to understand, so people developed an m4 application that accepted a _slightly_ less cryptic language and generated the sendmail configuration file. The configuration file is far

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: mail cannot send emails (trying to use it with smartd)

2020-04-03 Thread Grant Taylor
On 4/2/20 6:26 PM, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: though i'm a bit curious about sendmail (if your time allows). Feel free to ask questions about sendmail. I'll do my best to answer. do you mean the ebuild "sendmail"? or the command "sendmail"? In this context, ebuild as a reference to the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: mail cannot send emails (trying to use it with smartd)

2020-04-03 Thread Grant Taylor
On 4/2/20 8:18 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: Then DO NOT use sendmail. Sendmail is only for the ultra-professional who already knows how to configure it (not joking). I take exception to that for multiple reasons: 1) Bootstrapping - you can't learn something without actually using it. 2) I've

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: looking for email provider

2020-02-08 Thread Grant Taylor
On 2/6/20 8:56 PM, John Covici wrote: I do run my own mail server for years, but I would like to know how to run those "hygene features". I do have spf, but that is about it -- maybe this should be another thread, but I want to keep doing this and be sure of having my mail delivered to where

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: looking for email provider

2020-02-06 Thread Grant Taylor
On 2/6/20 3:36 PM, Laurence Perkins wrote: Sure you can set up just a simple email server Having run a personal email server for 20 years, including all contemporary hygiene measures, I don't think "simple" and "email server" go together any more. I can rattle off most of what I'm doing in

Re: [gentoo-user] External hard drive and idle activity

2020-01-01 Thread Grant Taylor
On 1/1/20 5:09 PM, Dale wrote: Howdy, Hi, As some may recall, I have a 8TB external SATA hard drive that I do back ups on. Usually, I back up once a day, more often if needed. Usually I turn the power on, mount it, do the back ups, unmount and turn the power back off. Usually it is

Re: [gentoo-user] Frontier ADSL modem and IP address

2019-12-30 Thread Grant Taylor
On 12/30/19 1:04 PM, Dale wrote: Is there a way to find the IP for this thing? Try running a network sniffer as you reboot it. Most pieces of network equipment will send out some sort of broadcast requests that will give some hint as to how they are configured. At least what subnet they

Re: [gentoo-user] qemu / nbd

2019-12-05 Thread Grant Taylor
On 12/5/19 12:22 PM, n952162 wrote: But, since it's included in the package, and apparently (from the name) will use a NBD device, then I think the dependency is logical I disagree. QEMU itself does not use NBD. Thus QEMU does not need to depend on qemu-nbd. QEMU uses files on mounted file

Re: [gentoo-user] qemu / nbd

2019-12-05 Thread Grant Taylor
On 12/5/19 12:50 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: No, but since it is provided by the ebuild, the ebuild should check that the target system is capable of supporting it. The qemu ebuild already spits out warnings about missing kernel options, not all of them essential, so why not this one too? I

Re: [gentoo-user] nbd ebuild incomplete? [SOLVED]

2019-12-05 Thread Grant Taylor
On 12/5/19 12:33 AM, n952162 wrote: The emerge should have checked for this and failed. I don't think it should fail. I've routinely seen emerge check for various kernel / network / other parameters and issue warnings about things not being the way that the ebuild wants. But the ebuild

Re: [gentoo-user] qemu / nbd

2019-12-05 Thread Grant Taylor
On 12/4/19 11:03 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: nbd is a "Network Block Device" driver along the lines of NFS, but it doesn't handle concurrency. https://nbd.sourceforge.io/ I think I'd liken NBD to iSCSI more so than NFS. Primarily because both NBD and iSCSI provide local block devices that are

Re: [gentoo-user] cannot compile sendmail in new gentoo installation

2019-11-14 Thread Grant Taylor
On 11/13/19 9:51 PM, John Covici wrote: Hi. I am trying to create a new installation as a chroot from my previous one since I don't have another box at hand and don't want to take this one down for several days to recompile everything. Now I am stuck trying to emerge sendmail. I cannot

Re: [gentoo-user] links that behave differently per calling app?

2019-11-12 Thread Grant Taylor
On 11/10/19 9:37 PM, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: hi - is it possible to have some kind of fancy links that know the name of the process that is trying to access it, and based on its name, it links it to a file? I've not heard of that specifically. e.g. `ln -s X Y` will create link Y that

Re: [gentoo-user] Bounced messages

2019-11-03 Thread Grant Taylor
On 11/1/19 2:00 PM, Dale wrote: I think we came to the conclusion that one person is causing this. I don't agree with that conclusion. Basically his emails trigger the spam alarm and it gets marked before or upon receipt by gmail. It doesn't even make it to my in box. I don't know if spam

Re: [gentoo-user] Bounced messages

2019-11-01 Thread Grant Taylor
On 10/31/19 9:52 AM, Dale wrote: Howdy, Hi, I been getting quite a few of these lately. Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your information. Here is the list of the bounced messages: - 188380

Re: [gentoo-user] how did i get ~/26H1MJ8.txt?

2019-10-20 Thread Grant Taylor
On 10/20/19 3:57 AM, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: any idea what is this?  and how did i get it? At quick glance, it looks like a script to upgrade GCC across otherwise not quite as compatible versions as possible. Nothing in it concerns me. Warning: I am relying on my uncaffeinated memory,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flag 'split-usr' is now global

2019-08-07 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/6/19 6:31 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: So, an initramfs doesn't actually have to do ANY of those things, though typically it does. I agree that most systems don't /need/ an initramfs / initrd to do that for them. IMHO /most/ systems should be able to do that for themselves. Nothing

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flag 'split-usr' is now global

2019-08-06 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/6/19 10:28 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: An initramfs is just a userspace bootloader that runs on top of linux. I disagree. To me: · A boot loader is something that boots / executes a kernel with various parameters. · An initramfs / initrd (concept) is the micro installation that runs

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flag 'split-usr' is now global

2019-08-06 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/6/19 9:54 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: If it's computable it can be done, of course. Therefore it can be done, currently. I don't think nobody has said it absolutely cannot be done. >.< So it sounds like it's a question of /how/ compatible / possible it is. It seems as if there is

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: HACK: Boot without an initramfs / initrd while maintaining a separate /usr file system.

2019-08-05 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/5/19 8:45 PM, Grant Taylor wrote: Even bigger hack. I wouldn't be me if I didn't lob these two words out there: mount namespaces /me will see himself out now. -- Grant. . . . unix || die

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: HACK: Boot without an initramfs / initrd while maintaining a separate /usr file system.

2019-08-05 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/5/19 6:28 PM, Jack wrote: However, I keep wondering if an overlay file system might not be of some use here. Start with /bin, containing only what's necessary to boot before /usr is available. I wonder how much of what would need to be in the pre-/usr /bin directory can be provided by

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flag 'split-usr' is now global

2019-08-05 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/5/19 5:34 PM, Mick wrote: I am not entertaining ad hominem attacks on whoever may have been involved in such decisions. Only the impacts of such decisions on gentoo in particular. :-) I probably used an incorrect figure of speech and caused confusion. We're only discussing the merge

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: HACK: Boot without an initramfs / initrd while maintaining a separate /usr file system.

2019-08-05 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/5/19 5:52 PM, Ian Zimmerman wrote: Don't you have to go through some extra hoops (a flag to the mount command or something) to mount over a non-empty directory? Nope. I don't recall ever needing to do anything like that in Linux. I do know that other traditional Unixes are more picky

Re: [gentoo-user] HACK: Boot without an initramfs / initrd while maintaining a separate /usr file system.

2019-08-05 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/5/19 5:45 AM, Mick wrote: Interesting concept, thanks for sharing. You're welcome. Unless I misunderstand how this will work, it will create duplication of the fs for /bin and /sbin, which will both use extra space and require managing. Yes, it will create some duplication. Though I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flag 'split-usr' is now global

2019-08-05 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/5/19 4:49 AM, Mick wrote: It is being /assertively/ promoted persistently by the same devs. Okay. Just because it's the same developers promoting both does not mean that any logic / evidence they might provide in support of /usr merge is inherently wrong. We should judge the merits of

[gentoo-user] HACK: Boot without an initramfs / initrd while maintaining a separate /usr file system.

2019-08-04 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/4/19 7:26 PM, Grant Taylor wrote: I am also using a bit of a hack that I think could be (re)used to allow /usr being a separate file system without /requiring/ an initramfs / initrd. (I'll reply in another email with details to avoid polluting this thread.) I think that a variation

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flag 'split-usr' is now global

2019-08-04 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/4/19 12:03 PM, Mick wrote: I don't know more about this, but it seems we are being dragged towards a systemd inspired future, whether the majority of the gentoo community of users want it or not. How is the /usr merger /directly/ related to systemd? In my view system binaries should not

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How do I get rid of colors (console and xterm)?

2019-07-08 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/8/19 2:18 AM, Christian Groessler wrote: Ideally for everything inside an xterm or console screen. I'm going to try "-cm" for xterm. Thanks David (in a previous post) for the suggestion. If the -cm command line option does what you want, you can easily add the following to the

Re: [gentoo-user] Human configurable boot loader, OR useful grub2 documentation

2019-07-05 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/5/19 1:57 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: In the case of GRUB2 that is unlikely to be the case, as it is meant to do everything. That's why the auto-generated config files are so long and full of conditionals. On a system you have full control over, you can remove all the conditionals. I had

Re: [gentoo-user] Fdisk reports new HD as 10MiB

2019-07-05 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/5/19 8:40 AM, Vladimir Romanov wrote: May be your motherboard or BIOS just too old, and it doesn't support such hard disks? I remember a time when Linux would support large (multi-GB) drives when the BIOS would not support them. Linux could bypass the BIOS and talk directly to the

Re: [gentoo-user] Human configurable boot loader, OR useful grub2 documentation

2019-07-05 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/5/19 8:04 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: it probably is worth taking the time to see if you can bend to the tool rather than making the tool bend to you. At face value, this is antithetical to how computers should work. Computers should do our bidding, NOT the other way around. That being

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I get rid of colors (console and xterm)?

2019-07-04 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/4/19 1:10 PM, Christian Groessler wrote: Hi, Hi, I'm new here. My question is how do I get rid of colors in "emerge", "man" and other command line programs. I managed to do in the shell (bash), but I'm somehow lost how to change it elsewhere. In "vi" I know of "syn off". Try

Re: [gentoo-user] why does Udisks require Lvm2 ?

2019-06-24 Thread Grant Taylor
On 6/24/19 12:12 PM, Mick wrote: LVM-RAID uses the kernel's mdraid, Yep. You can get device mapper command(s) to show the internal / under the hood MD devices. I feel like what LVM does to mirror (RAID 1) devices is complex. You end up with non-obvious LVs that are then raided together

Re: [gentoo-user] why does Udisks require Lvm2 ?

2019-06-24 Thread Grant Taylor
On 6/24/19 11:47 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: Of course it is, a RAID1 device is just a block device on which you can put any filesystem you like. RAID and LVM are complementary technologies that work well together, but neither needs the others (apart from the device-mapper bit). Eh. LVM can

Re: [gentoo-user] why does Udisks require Lvm2 ?

2019-06-24 Thread Grant Taylor
On 6/24/19 2:40 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote: Yes, I've done the same on two boxes that have no need of lvm. It does seem wasteful though. Probably. I dislike the fact that other things that need device mapper have to drag LVM along, or apply (what I call) a device-mapper-only /hack/. I feel

Re: [gentoo-user] why does Udisks require Lvm2 ?

2019-06-22 Thread Grant Taylor
On 6/22/19 3:55 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: The indentation shows that is is a hard dependency of cryptsetup, which is backed up by reading the ebuild. I expect that it needs the device-maper functionality provided by lvm, in which case you can set the device-mapper-only USE flag to avoid

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: line wrap over in xterm/konsole

2019-06-22 Thread Grant Taylor
On 6/22/19 2:13 AM, Mick wrote: These USE flags are the same like mine. ACK I don't think it is a shell related problem (but may be wrong). I think we need to be very careful and specific what part we think is shell (thus possibly readline) related vs terminal emulator related vs

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