Re: [gentoo-user] which NIC is which?

2010-11-12 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: How to find out which physical NIC is for example eth0 ? If I have 2 NICs in the box, for example one e1000 and one from 3com, how to find out which one is eth0 ? I looked up

Re: [gentoo-user] mkfs.ext4 -j /dev/sdb1

2010-11-27 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 4:07 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: I just added a new drive to an existing system using an ext4 (journaled) file system. I was not sure about using the -j option so I did it anyway. Correct assumption? Irrelevant?  no examples to ponder. comments or

Re: [gentoo-user] converting openrc's dmesg to systemd service file

2014-04-03 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Douglas J Hunley doug.hun...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure this is way more trivial than I'm making it out to be, but how in the world would one converty /etc/init.d/dmesg to a systemd service file? Is there a good online pointer about building service files?

[gentoo-user] Re: systemd-networkd: simpler config for my network

2014-04-06 Thread Tom H
Stefan G. Weichinger lists at xunil.at writes: Am 31.03.2014 14:17, schrieb Nilesh Govindrajan: On 31-Mar-2014 5:45 pm, Stefan G. Weichinger lists at xunil.at wrote: Aside from all the discussions around systemd, I simply gave the new systemd-networkd a try. It helped me to simplify my

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd-networkd: simpler config for my network

2014-04-07 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 4:04 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Am 06.04.2014 15:02, schrieb Tom H: So the openrc-example might be simplified? ok with me ... does anyone confirm? It depends how you set up your network on the qemu command line. If you use qemu -netdev tap,id=hn0

Re: [gentoo-user] Change EFI to BIOS Boot

2014-04-12 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 6:45 AM, Facu Curti facu.cu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. First at all i apologize if my english is not enough. When I installed gentoo, I do that with UEFI, and gpt partitions. But right now, I tried to install XEN, and this not works with EFI. I cant wait until

Re: [gentoo-user] Change EFI to BIOS Boot

2014-04-12 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 12.04.2014 12:45, schrieb Facu Curti: Partition Table: gpt : This You can have a gpt partition table with BIOS but if you want to boot from that disk, you need a bios_boot partition (which the OP has)

Re: [gentoo-user] Output of mount and cat /etc/mtab inside install chroot?

2014-04-19 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: I've got another thread going called... Strange behaviour with LILO on new install on old laptop. Before I file a bug report, I want to check first whether it's my fault. Can people here do me a favour? If you have

Re: [gentoo-user] Output of mount and cat /etc/mtab inside install chroot?

2014-04-19 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote: On Saturday 19 Apr 2014 07:43:18 Walter Dnes wrote: I've got another thread going called... Strange behaviour with LILO on new install on old laptop. Before I file a bug report, I want to check first whether it's my

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Change EFI to BIOS Boot

2014-04-19 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Jonathan Callen jcal...@gentoo.org wrote: On 04/12/2014 08:19 AM, Tom H wrote: You can have a gpt partition table with BIOS but if you want to boot from that disk, you need a bios_boot partition (which the OP has) for grub to embed a binary. Technically, I

Re: [gentoo-user] Output of mount and cat /etc/mtab inside install chroot?

2014-04-21 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 10:24:17AM -0400, Tom H wrote I symlink /proc/self/mounts to /etc/mtab. But the handbook has grep -v rootfs /proc/mounts /etc/mtab. I re-checked the AMD64 install docs in Firefox {CTRL}F mtab

Re: [gentoo-user] Output of mount and cat /etc/mtab inside install chroot?

2014-04-22 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 09:38:44AM +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote On Monday 21 Apr 2014 00:55:56 yac wrote: On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 13:54:07 +0100 Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote: The installation handbook used to

Re: [gentoo-user] boot problems

2014-05-03 Thread Tom H
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 8:08 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Box boots now with kernel 3.14.1 and with commented LVs in fstab. When I login and check there are no mdadm-raids assembled. When I mdadm -A --scan they get correctly assembled: # cat /proc/mdstat Personalities :

Re: [gentoo-user] boot problems

2014-05-05 Thread Tom H
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 2:48 PM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Sunday, May 04, 2014 01:15:51 PM Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 03 May 2014 20:40:47 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote: * SystemRescueCD and the Gentoo minimal installation CD both start any raid arrays they find and apply their

Re: [gentoo-user] problems getting systemd to work

2014-05-15 Thread Tom H
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 2:18 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I was a little mystified about why dracut-036 worked on my system and 037 didn't. Before I tried any workaround, I wanted to know what changed from the previous version to the current one. So I generated an

Re: [gentoo-user] fstab cleanup

2014-05-21 Thread Tom H
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:32 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Do I still need these lines .. especially with a modern systemd/gnome3-environment? # glibc 2.2 and above expects tmpfs to be mounted at /dev/shm for # POSIX shared memory (shm_open, shm_unlink). # (tmpfs is a

Re: [gentoo-user] fstab cleanup

2014-05-21 Thread Tom H
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Am 21.05.2014 15:31, schrieb Tom H: On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:32 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Do I still need these lines .. especially with a modern systemd/gnome3-environment? # glibc 2.2

Re: [gentoo-user] udev upgrade 208 212-r1, openrc USE flag changed to disabled?

2014-06-14 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 6/14/2014 1:02 PM, Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: *Why* was it removed/no longer needed? And why was it needed previously? Read

Re: [gentoo-user] udev upgrade 208 212-r1, openrc USE flag changed to disabled?

2014-06-15 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 6/14/2014 2:15 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 6/14/2014 1:02 PM, Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 10

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ruby is borked on my system

2014-06-28 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:39 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote: Some months ago I found myself wondering why I had ruby on this box at all. A little poking around revealed that the only thing that needed it was thin- provisioning. Once I'd added

Re: [gentoo-user] NFS tutorial for the brain dead sysadmin?

2014-07-27 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: NFS uses RPC to do some heavy lifting - I don't know how familiar you are with this, so here's the quick version: When you mount something locally, and need to use the mounted filesystem, kernel calls are used to

Re: [gentoo-user] Execute udev rule before net.* scripts

2014-08-24 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to define names for my USB network interfaces keyed on the interface location instead of the interface MAC address. This udev rule renames one of them: SUBSYSTEM==net, KERNEL==enp3s0u1, NAME=net0 But it doesn't

Re: [gentoo-user] Execute udev rule before net.* scripts

2014-08-25 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 24/08/14 20:05, Tom H wrote: On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: SUBSYSTEM==net, KERNEL==enp3s0u1, NAME=net0 enp3s0u1 isn't a kernel name; it's an ID_NET_NAME_PATH attribute

Re: [gentoo-user] Execute udev rule before net.* scripts

2014-08-26 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: SUBSYSTEM==net, KERNEL==enp3s0u1, NAME=net0 enp3s0u1 isn't a kernel name; it's an ID_NET_NAME_PATH attribute. That's what came to my mind too, that's why I instructed him away from it. Yeah, I saw your email after I sent

Re: [gentoo-user] new installation - partitions

2014-09-04 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: When booting from EFI you need a GPT boot partition (FAT - ugh) that actually contains the image that gets booted, so it needs to have room for at least a couple of kernels/initramfs - so that will be larger. If you're

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-21 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: Point is he's trying to paint the picture that systemd folks rattle on and on about its speed, but they don't. The speed argument/anti-argument can be traced back to Lennart's first blog post on systemd (IIRC

Re: [gentoo-user] root on newest livedvd ?

2014-09-30 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:09 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: livedvd-amd64-multilib-20140826.iso The old livedvd, to get root access it was sudo su - which does not see to work. Ideas on the new syntax to get root access. How about sudo -i or sudo -s?

Re: [gentoo-user] New wireless adapter breaks nfs exports

2014-10-05 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 2:52 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: This machine (my nfsv3 file server) just got a new wireless adapter, which works fine for everything except serving files :( mount.nfs: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported google shows me lots about slow

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New wireless adapter breaks nfs exports

2014-10-15 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 7:39 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/05/2014 08:31 PM, Tom H wrote: On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 2:52 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: This machine (my nfsv3 file server) just got a new wireless adapter, which works fine for everything except serving files

Re: [gentoo-user] [systemd] Is this a NetworkManager bug?

2014-10-15 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:39 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: I just switched my home LAN from wired to all wifi and I'm having trouble with NetworkManager at boot time. I have systemd start NetworkManager at boot because I need the internet for ntpdate and to start the nfs server for the

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Six non-Gentoo installs

2014-10-16 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: CentOS 7.0, however, was a mess. It took three attempts and almost an entire day of work. My first attempt was to use the minimal ISO image so that I would have the option of burning a CD if needed (I can't

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [systemd] Is this a NetworkManager bug?

2014-10-16 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 4:53 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/15/2014 08:23 PM, Tom H wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:39 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: I just switched my home LAN from wired to all wifi and I'm having trouble with NetworkManager at boot time. I have systemd start

Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] NFS server broken again :(

2014-10-27 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 3:38 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: Last night when I powered off my machines NFS was working perfectly. Today it's broken again for the nth time: #systemctl status nfs-server ● nfs-server.service - NFS server and services Loaded: loaded

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [~amd64] NFS server broken again :(

2014-10-27 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:46 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/27/2014 12:56 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 1:38 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: Last night when I powered off my machines NFS was working perfectly. Today it's broken again for the nth time:

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [~amd64] NFS server broken again :(

2014-10-27 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Does rpcbind.target exist? Does rpcbind.service have a Requires or Wants for rpcbind.target? Is rpcbind.service enabled? ... I don't have access to a Gentoo box with nfs at the moment in order to check this but IIRC Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-user] Safeguarding strategies against SSD data loss

2014-10-27 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: ZoL (ZFS on Linux) nowadays is implemented using DKMS instead of FUSE, thus running in kernelspace, and (relatively) easier to put into an initramfs. Updating is a beeyotch on binary-based distros as it requires a

Re: [gentoo-user] Safeguarding strategies against SSD data loss

2014-10-27 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 27.10.2014 um 16:36 schrieb Rich Freeman: and a boot partition as I don't think grub supports it - it could be a bit of a PITA for

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [~amd64] NFS server broken again :(

2014-10-28 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 6:18 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/27/2014 08:22 PM, Tom H wrote: The 1.2.9 nfs-utils ebuild has systemd_dounit ${FILESDIR}/nfsd.service where nfsd.service has Requires=rpcbind.service and After=rpcbind.service. The 1.3.0 nfs-utils ebuild has systemd_dounit

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [~amd64] NFS server broken again :(

2014-10-31 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Since Gentoo's rpcbind.service has Wants=rpcbind.target and Before=rpcbind.target, having nfs-server.service depend on rpcbind.target rather than

Re: [gentoo-user] alternative kernels

2014-10-31 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 3:11 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: Thing is, I don't see any benefit, for myself, in systemd. If people want to use it, fine. But, if people are trying to force it upon everyone, then I will have a problem with it. It cuts both ways. Let's assume that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [~amd64] NFS server broken again :(

2014-10-31 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Is After really necessary as an option? I've never come across a service that uses After without a Requires or a Wants but I've never taken the time to look

Re: [gentoo-user] alternative kernels

2014-11-02 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote: On Friday 31 October 2014 15:09:26 J. Roeleveld wrote: I've got a few systems where grub1 doesn't work. This is more likely caused by some changes in used filesystems instead of any other cause. If I really wanted

Re: [gentoo-user] alternative kernels

2014-11-02 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: The systemd line was always that if you wanted to ship your logs off to another box, use rsyslog. So I've never understood the embedding of an httpd

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [~amd64] NFS server broken again :(

2014-11-02 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Do you have an example of a service that uses After= but doesn't need a Requires= or a Wants=? I'm either being unimaginative or plain dumb, but I can't think

Re: [gentoo-user] alternative kernels

2014-11-02 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote: You guys should check out the ELK stack: http://www.elasticsearch.org/overview/ Basically, transform logs to JSON with logstash, throw the JSON into elastic search, and make plots with Kibana. We use it at work;

Re: [gentoo-user] alternative kernels

2014-11-02 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 5:47 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote: You guys should check out the ELK stack: http://www.elasticsearch.org/overview/ Basically, transform logs to JSON with logstash, throw the

Re: [gentoo-user] alternative kernels

2014-11-02 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: That makes perfect sense. I still have systems using the old grub. It works so why mess with it? However, I may give gummiboot a whirl, especially as UEFI let's your multiple bootloader. I use gummiboot on my laptop and

Re: [gentoo-user] Raiders of the lost package...

2014-11-02 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 1:10 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Debain everywhere... Ubuntu everywhere... To use this library just do a apt-get build-essential, apt-get this and apt-get that...your done. It's a metapackage to install compilation and packaging packages. So the Gentoo equivalent

Re: [gentoo-user] alternative kernels

2014-11-02 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 7:46 PM, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote: On Sunday 02 November 2014 18:05:29 Tom H wrote: On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Peter Humphrey My grub-0.99 lets me choose from four kernels and two or three run levels at boot time, and grub-2 can't handle

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev (viable) alternatives ?

2014-11-17 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 07:18:30AM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote Can you find one example of any situation where the linux kernel has ever required any specific implementation of anything in userspace as a matter of policy

Re: [gentoo-user] syslog-ng-3.6.1 nearly no log anymore

2014-11-17 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 12:54 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 04:11:56PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote USE=systemd simply means to enable support for systemd, not that it is running. Generally stuff like this should be a matter of configuration, not build

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-27 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: Adoption of Systemd by other major distros sb good for Gentoo. Disgruntled Debians, Fedoras, Archies (IIRC they've also adopted it) will have a choice of giving in or moving to Slackware or Gentoo. Many of them may

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-27 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: Some devs take this stuff too personally. Only the devs? LOL

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-27 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 11/23/2014 1:07 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: So, don't be surprised if FreeBSD develops something *really* similar (along the lines of the second bullet) to systemd in the future Doesn't matter

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-27 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 11/23/2014 3:23 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: Also, I'll wager it likely won't be implemented in such a way as to be perceived by its user base as being shoved down their throats. Clarification -

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-27 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:53 PM, Gevisz gev...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 21:05:16 + Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:25:22 +0200, Gevisz wrote: I switched from Ubuntu 10.04 to Gentoo just because it forced closing window button x to the upper-left

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-27 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 2:34 AM, Gevisz gev...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:02:49 + (UTC) Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: I prefer Gentoo over Ubuntu for a host of other reasons, but switching from Ubuntu to Gentoo just to get a different desktop seems like

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to find out to what file(...) writes goes on a idle system...

2014-12-07 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 11:05 PM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com [14-12-06 21:16]: Prong (1) includes all issues related to systemd. Probably embedded experience with systemd is rare, just guessing. Certainly I have none of that experience. So post to those iotop

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Custom ebuilds for CoreOS

2014-12-10 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 10:17 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: And finally, I think that alll init systems are going to become very irrelevant in the next few years, as what they provide, can be passed from a *personal cluster* to any and all hardware, dymanically. That's what the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: unix philosophy question for old farts: the original purpose for /tmp ?

2014-12-17 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 1:05 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: systemd puts /tmp on a tmpfs by default. True, but there was pushback by Fedora developers when this became the default so Lennart patched systemd for a /tmp mount in /etc/fstab to override /lib/systemd/system/tmp.mount. A

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new install using lxdeL no `run' cmd

2014-12-17 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com writes: OK, if that is true, who is answering your questions on lxde, which I am still using? I have lots of breakage on lxde; I do not bother fixing. I'm working on migrating to lxqt. Good

Re: [gentoo-user] New PC, new boot concepts

2014-12-20 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Old dogs and new tricks springs to mind. I am building a new PC and what with UEFI, APUs and SSDs, it feels like that the world has moved a long way since the last time I had to install gentoo. I'll be taking my time to

Re: [gentoo-user] New PC, new boot concepts

2014-12-20 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 19 Dec 2014 15:46:43 Todd Goodman wrote: * Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com [141219 10:22]: I am trying to find out what is considered good practice as far as UEFI/MBR and boot management goes. FWIW, I've built

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-20 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 10:34 AM, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote: That's where I think the problem lies Mick. My system is uefi. Too bad that gen too officially doesn't support it. I just wish gentoo developers take a closer look at the issue and come out with uefi capable minimal

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-21 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: I just tried to boot my Asus MoBo A88XM-PLUS, after I disabled CMS and switched Secure Boot to other OS (as opposed to MS Windows), with sysrescuecd-4.4.1. Unfortunately I can't get a console due to this error: error:

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-25 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 12:36 PM, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 12:17:19 -0500 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: I just tried to boot my Asus MoBo A88XM-PLUS, after I disabled CMS and switched

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-25 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 1:01 PM, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote: BTW Todd, does Mint allow to boot only in console mode, i.e. without X and DE? If Mint uses Ubuntu's ubiquity installer, you can hit F6 then Esc to get to the kernel cmdline when you're at the screen where you choose to try or

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-25 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 4:42 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 25 Dec 2014 09:20:15 Tom H wrote: On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 12:36 PM, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 12:17:19 -0500 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Mick

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [NOTE] New default behavior in latest nfs-utils (1.3.2-r1)

2015-02-02 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 7:31 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: For example, I had to add the rpcbind.service to the multi-user systemd target because even nfs3 seems to need it. You must mean because especially nfsv3 needs it because, theoretically, nfsv4 doesn't need rpcbind since an nfsv4

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [NOTE] New default behavior in latest nfs-utils (1.3.2-r1)

2015-02-02 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: I believe that starting nfs-client.service or nfs-server.service starts everything needed EXCEPT rpcbind. I'd have to re-trace everything, but I think that there are multiple packages involved here and the upstream units

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [NOTE] New default behavior in latest nfs-utils (1.3.2-r1)

2015-02-03 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 8:46 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/02/2015 10:29 AM, Tom H wrote: On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 7:31 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: For example, I had to add the rpcbind.service to the multi-user systemd target because even nfs3 seems to need it. You must mean

Re: [gentoo-user] [NOTE] New default behavior in latest nfs-utils (1.3.2-r1)

2015-02-02 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 4:18 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: Everybody's favoritest cuddly FOSS personality Theo de Raadt is quoted in Wikipedia as saying: NFS4 is not on our roadmap. It's a horribly bloated protocol that they keep adding crap to. The latest nfs-utils package demonstrates

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Get off my lawn?

2015-01-20 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 1:03 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: I think the fundamental flaw with systemd is the fact that the duality of support for systemd and other init solutions is so quickly abondoned. If they were allowed (encouraged) to run side by side for a few years, let

Re: [gentoo-user] SOLVED: Slow startx - Why does hostname -f hang?

2015-01-20 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Urs Schütz u.sch...@bluewin.ch wrote: I changed /etc/hosts as Mick/Michael pointed out in an other reply, and this solved the slow response. Here the relevant part of the corrected, working /etc/hosts: # IPv4 and IPv6 localhost aliases 127.0.0.1

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Get off my lawn?

2015-01-22 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Samsung's starting to release Tizen-driven phones, TVs, white goods, etc. Tizen uses systemd and, given the size of Samsung, the number of systemd embedded

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Get off my lawn?

2015-01-22 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Marc Stürmer m...@marc-stuermer.de wrote: Zitat von Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com: Lennart claims that the embedded world loves systemd. I suspect that, as in other corners of the Linux world, there are lovers and haters of systemd. Embedded systems also quite

Re: [gentoo-user] grub - gummiboot: good

2015-01-28 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: On 28.01.2015 20:47, Tom H wrote: On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: On 28.01.2015 19:50, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: On 28.01.2015 19:44, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: So now

Re: [gentoo-user] grub - gummiboot: good

2015-01-28 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: On 28.01.2015 21:31, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: My command lead to a non-booting machine ... the gummiboot-entry was removed from UEFI. tried your command and rebooted, worked, thanks! You're welcome. Would you

Re: [gentoo-user] grub - gummiboot: good

2015-01-28 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: On 28.01.2015 21:36, Tom H wrote: My command lead to a non-booting machine ... the gummiboot-entry was removed from UEFI. But IIRC the 'tree' output that you'd posted, you shouldn't have the leading '\EFI

Re: [gentoo-user] grub - gummiboot: good

2015-01-28 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: I rm`ed the ESP and started over. gummiboot boots fine again. I added some entries to /etc/grub.d/40_custom (some pointers to isos etc) and ran grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/efi/EFI/grub_uefi/grub.cfg When I chose

Re: [gentoo-user] grub - gummiboot: good

2015-01-28 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: On 28.01.2015 01:36, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 00:40:32 +0100, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: No need for chainloading with UEFI. Set Gummiboot as the default boot option and hold down Esc (or whichever

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Get off my lawn?

2015-01-28 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Marc Stürmer m...@marc-stuermer.de wrote: Am 22.01.2015 um 19:06 schrieb Tom H: Sure. My point was that anyone can claim that systemd is (un)popular in the embedded space. I don't know if it is popular; in embedded systems though the last thing you need

Re: [gentoo-user] grub - gummiboot: good

2015-01-28 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: ... and if you have no need for multi-booting then the kernel efi stub is very simple to configure and still works reliably (with openrc and no initrd here). No need to install a separate boot manager. It's not just

Re: [gentoo-user] grub - gummiboot: good

2015-01-28 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: On 28.01.2015 19:50, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: On 28.01.2015 19:44, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: So now Linux Boot Manager is gummiboot ... and grub is grub ;) And for the records: renaming Linux Boot Manager to

Re: [gentoo-user] portage alternatives

2015-03-14 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 15/03/2015 00:34, Rich Freeman wrote: On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 6:08 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: But let's consider this: what level of chaos would arise if @system were dropped? Surely the

Re: [gentoo-user] blockage

2015-03-22 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: It looks to me like sysvinit-2.88-r7 was stabilized and the maintainer of apcupsd didn't notice. From the ebuild for apcupsd-3.14.8-r2: DEPEND= || ( =sys-apps/util-linux-2.23[tty-helpers]

Re: [gentoo-user] Screen: Cannot open your terminal '/dev/tty1' - please check [Update]

2015-03-17 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 11:42 AM, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 14:03:21 -0400, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Canek had asked whether you were using systemd and therefore logind. Since you're using openrc, perhaps you should check whether installing consolekit

Re: [gentoo-user] OK, so not everything works properly with systemd

2015-03-21 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Daniel Frey djqf...@gmail.com wrote: I also noticed this in the USE flags for systemd: - - sysv-utils : Install sysvinit compatibility symlinks and manpages for init, telinit, halt, poweroff, reboot, runlevel, and shutdown Should I enable

Re: [gentoo-user] Network manager [ control of wireless and wired interafaces]

2015-03-11 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 3:27 PM, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote: Did you hear about CLI wi-fi tool iw? I am testing it right now, but seem cannot figure out how to use it iw is OK to set up an unencrypted or wep connection but you need wpa_supplicant for a wpa connection; and you need

Re: [gentoo-user] Network manager [ control of wireless and wired interafaces]

2015-03-12 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Jc García jyo.gar...@gmail.com wrote: If you want an easy way of configuring wirless without GUI use wicd and the wicd curses client(enabled via USE flag), NetworkManager is simpler to use with a GUI, the CLI client is not so easy to use, but if you want to,

Re: [gentoo-user] Screen: Cannot open your terminal '/dev/tty1' - please check [Update]

2015-03-14 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 8:14 PM, waben...@gmail.com wrote: waben...@gmail.com wrote: Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote: On Friday 13 March 2015 23:28:32 Neil Bothwick wrote: I have this in /lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules: SUBSYSTEM==tty, KERNEL==tty[0-9]*, GROUP=tty,

Re: [gentoo-user] Screen: Cannot open your terminal '/dev/tty1' - please check [Update]

2015-03-14 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 6:08 AM, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 01:16:32 +0100 waben...@gmail.com wrote: waben...@gmail.com wrote: So it seems that after login you first have to chmod 770 the tty before you do a su - user (user have to be in group tty of course).

Re: [gentoo-user] Network manager [ control of wireless and wired interafaces]

2015-03-11 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote: On Wednesday, March 11, 2015 4:15:53 PM Tom H wrote: I've never used nmcli except to get ip information (see below) but setting up NM without a gui is simple. This is my home wifi setup: # cat /etc

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to poweroff the system from user?

2015-03-31 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 1:57 AM, Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote: On Linux now there's the Magic SysRq Key feature for that. If enabled (I think it is by default, may be wrong) you can use ctrl-alt-sysrq plus one these keys even if your kernel panics or freezes in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to poweroff the system from user?

2015-03-31 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:42 AM, Emanuele Rusconi ema...@gmail.com wrote: Easy to remember as Reboot Even If System Utterly Broken I remember it as the reverse of busier. A variant I read somewhere is Raising (Skinny) Elephants Is So Utterly Boring. Skinny is an extra optional sync, it

Re: [gentoo-user] EFI install ( continum) [ system hangs at boot ]

2015-03-02 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 2:00 AM, Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote: On Saturday, February 28, 2015 12:50:37 PM Tom H wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote: Efibootmgr is not a boot manager, it's an utility

Re: [gentoo-user] EFI install ( continum) [ system hangs at boot ]

2015-02-28 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote: Efibootmgr is not a boot manager, it's an utility to interface with the EFI firmware on the motherboard and you don't need to hardcode the command line on the kernel, look at the -u option of

Re: [gentoo-user] Gummiboot ( Error loading \vmlinuz :Not found)

2015-02-28 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 5:50 AM, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, this was probably my third unsuccesful install on UEFI. This time with gummiboot. I've followed this guide: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Gummiboot and did exactly what was written. What is the vmlinuz it is complaining

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: rpm or deb package installs

2015-02-22 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 1:30 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: rpms and debs are both cpio files so the easy way is to unpack them and see what's going on: rpm2cpio name.rpm | cpio -iv --make-directories dpkg -x somepackage.deb ~/temp/ For deb packages, you can use binutils'

Re: [gentoo-user] What happened to my 2nd eth0?

2015-02-22 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 11:52 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: My DSL router modem is at 192.168.123.254. I have an HDHomerun network TV tuner that insists on coming up somewhere in the 169.254.X.Y block. Up until upgrading from 32 to 64 bits, I was able to see a 2nd eth0 (i.e.

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