Re: [gentoo-user] eclipse portage package

[Chuck Robey]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On Wednesday 25 November 2009 19:20:43 Chuck Robey wrote:
 I need to get an up-to-date version of eclipse working on my gentoo
  box.  First question is, is there a Galileo (3.5+) version of eclipse
  available as a portage package?  I can't find it, so I'd really appreciate
  a pointer.  The only thing I can see is a fairly old eclipse version (I
  think a year or more out of date).

 Second question, at the eclipse website, I see a binary version of the
  latest Linux-eclipse (the version I'm after).  If I *can't* get a portage
  package version of Galileo-eclipse, then if I install the binary package
  (non-portage) from the eclipse website, can I get (and how can I get)
  portage to consider this package as supplying any dependency which would
  be otherwise supplied by the latest (ganymede, 3.4+) portage version of
  the eclipse tool

Several comments about answers here.  First, to Marcus Wanner, yes, the first
two eclipse packages work for 3.5, but they AREN'T eclipse, they are plugins for
eclipse (plugins for what I really want).  The 3rd is eclipse-sdk, the only one
you don't cover and the only one I really need.  Of course I know how to handle
them, but without having eclipse itself, it's not useful.

It *seems to me that Mark Knecht is telling me that there's no way the binary
from the eclipse site would work, so he tells me how to install the two which do
me no good.  Again, this isn't helpful.  The 3rd package is (in your own mail)
still stuck at 3.4.x, and that's the real eclipse sdk.

Alan McKinnon's response, below, seems to be telling me that I really should go
ahead and try to use the binary from the eclipse site, and not to worry about
getting into dependency problems with portage.  Normally, most package tools
from any OS get truly destructive if you fail to their tools ONLY, so I was
hoping to find some way to effectively lie to portage, keep portage from getting
upset.  Seeing as I've gotten no advice on how to hoodwink portage, I just went
ahead and used the 3.5.1 (x86-64) version of their Linux(x86-64) binary eclipse
package, and it's working just fine.  I had to get the sun-jdk installed
(portage at least didn't offer me any problems here) and (at least until I run
into more eclipse packages) it all seems to be working.

If think that perhaps I can mask off everything from portage regarding any
eclipse package, and maybe that will lessen my chances of having portage step on
my system for me.  This just occurred to me, and maybe it's the only thing I 
can do.

 
 Have you considered simply installing the binary eclipse into ~ and 
 maintaining it using the bundled eclipse tools? This removes portage out of 
 the equation entirely - no fooling around with *provided
 
 That is the method used by most Linux users and it's highly unlikely it won't 
 work - gentoo doesn't do weird things with where libs etc are stored.
 
 Plus, you have the advantage of being to install plugins directly from 
 eclipse 
 without having to become root and run emerge. It the same order of magnitude 
 as using Firefox to install it's own plugins.
 

Re: [gentoo-user] eclipse portage package

[Chuck Robey]

Mark Knecht wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Chuck Robey chu...@telenix.org wrote:
 I was checking to see what version of eclipse seems to have a portage 
 package,
 and I was kinda shocked that the package seems a bit outdated.  3.4 is the
 current portage package, but eclipse has been at 3.5 for a good while now.
 Seeing as the eclipse website has a linux binary 3.5+ package, unless I've
 overlooked something available from gentoo (I would be overjoyed to have made
 that mistake) then I'm going to be forced to see how to coax portage to 
 allow me
 to use that eclipse site binary package to sub for ALL eclipse packages.

 Anyone know how to get portage to make externally supplied binaries to supply
 portage eclipse dependencies?  All of the huge number of eclipse plugins can 
 be
 done without using portage just fine, but the eclipse itself, that I would
 really rather use a portage ebuild for installation.



 
 I don't know about installing binary stuff - probably wouldn't work
 unless you have exactly the right libraries and what not. Anyway, I
 seem to see a 3.5 version masked with ~ . Note that I would unmask it
 in portage.keywords and not the way I'm showing it below.
 
 HTH,
 Mark
 
 m...@dragonfly ~/Desktop $ eix eclipse
 * dev-java/ant-eclipse-ecj
  Available versions:
 (3.3)   3.3.0-r1
 (3.4)   3.4
 (3.5)   ~3.5.1
 {elibc_FreeBSD}
  Homepage:http://www.eclipse.org/
  Description: Ant Compiler Adapter for Eclipse Java Compiler
 
 * dev-java/eclipse-ecj
  Available versions:
 (3.3)   3.3.0-r3
 (3.4)   3.4-r4
 (3.5)   ~3.5.1
 {ant elibc_FreeBSD java6}
  Homepage:http://www.eclipse.org/
  Description: Eclipse Compiler for Java
 
 * dev-util/eclipse-sdk
  Available versions:  (3.4)  3.4-r2
 {doc elibc_FreeBSD java6}
  Homepage:http://www.eclipse.org/
  Description: Eclipse Tools Platform
 
 Found 3 matches.
 m...@dragonfly ~/Desktop $
 
 
 dragonfly ~ # emerge -pv eclipse-ecj
 
 These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
 
 Calculating dependencies... done!
 [ebuild  N] app-admin/eselect-ecj-0.3  0 kB
 [ebuild  N] dev-java/eclipse-ecj-3.4-r4  USE=-java6 1,251 kB
 
 Total: 2 packages (2 new), Size of downloads: 1,251 kB
 dragonfly ~ # ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge -pv eclipse-ecj
 
 These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
 
 Calculating dependencies... done!
 [ebuild  N] dev-python/pyxml-0.8.4-r2  USE=-doc -examples 0 kB
 [ebuild  N] dev-java/javatoolkit-0.3.0-r3  17 kB
 [ebuild  N] dev-java/ant-core-1.7.1-r4  USE=-doc -source 6,828 kB
 [ebuild  N] app-admin/eselect-ecj-0.3  0 kB
 [ebuild  N] dev-java/eclipse-ecj-3.5.1  USE=ant 1,268 kB
 [ebuild  N] dev-java/ant-eclipse-ecj-3.5.1  0 kB
 
 Total: 6 packages (6 new), Size of downloads: 8,111 kB
 dragonfly ~
 

Mark, I could be responsible for this (the fact that it seems that neither of
the things I really wanted to know are covered) because sometimes I am not clear
in what I'm asking, so let me try again.

I need to get an up-to-date version of eclipse working on my gentoo box.  First
question is, is there a Galileo (3.5+) version of eclipse available as a portage
package?  I can't find it, so I'd really appreciate a pointer.  The only thing I
can see is a fairly old eclipse version (I think a year or more out of date).

Second question, at the eclipse website, I see a binary version of the latest
Linux-eclipse (the version I'm after).  If I *can't* get a portage package
version of Galileo-eclipse, then if I install the binary package (non-portage)
from the eclipse website, can I get (and how can I get) portage to consider this
package as supplying any dependency which would be otherwise supplied by the
latest (ganymede, 3.4+) portage version of the eclipse tool
.

Unless I'm completely misreading your stuff, your examples tell me how to
install the (too old) portage version, which is in all cases just too old for
me, so my 2 questions boil down to (1) must I?, and (2) How do I?

Thanks for your time, Mark.

[gentoo-user] eclipse portage package

[Chuck Robey]

I was checking to see what version of eclipse seems to have a portage package,
and I was kinda shocked that the package seems a bit outdated.  3.4 is the
current portage package, but eclipse has been at 3.5 for a good while now.
Seeing as the eclipse website has a linux binary 3.5+ package, unless I've
overlooked something available from gentoo (I would be overjoyed to have made
that mistake) then I'm going to be forced to see how to coax portage to allow me
to use that eclipse site binary package to sub for ALL eclipse packages.

Anyone know how to get portage to make externally supplied binaries to supply
portage eclipse dependencies?  All of the huge number of eclipse plugins can be
done without using portage just fine, but the eclipse itself, that I would
really rather use a portage ebuild for installation.

Re: [gentoo-user] telephony

[Chuck Robey]

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Simon wrote:
 You seem to want to know the difference, FXO vs FXS.  If I got this wrong, 
 just
 delete it.  FXS is meant to interface to a telephone set, so it gives talk
 battery and (as needed) ringing current.  FXO is meant to interface to a line
 from a telco switch, so it accepts battery (if the circuit it's hooked up to
 doesn't give talk battery, you have no circuit) and expects to be rung into, 
 so
 it detects ringing battery.  Most of the time, both FXO's and FXS's offer
 options to operate in loop start (regular POTS) or ground start mode.  Write 
 me
 if you need more on that last.  Options like reverse battery aren't usually
 offered in FXO/FXS cards.  You usually have to give a FXS card your own 
 source
 of ringing battery, not FXO, because an FXO is expecting to have ringing 
 battery
 sent to it (from the telco switch it's connected to) to begin with.
 
 This brought an idea in my mind...  the phone lines in our houses here
 in Quebec,Canada are set so the line comes into the house at one point
 (called dmark i think) then it is spread around.  if there is no
 service, then there is no dialtone, if one phone is used, then all
 phones can hear the conversation if picked up.  normal stuff.
 but what if i were to setup a pc to work with asterisk and somehow
 plugged a FXS (i guess?) card to any phone jack in the house.  then
 any normal phone would be networked to that FXS card and anything done
 on them will go through the PC (the pc will actually take care of
 sending a dialtone, etc...)  am i correct, is this possible (to use
 the existing POTS infrastructure)?

I'm afraid I don't completely understand how you'd do that.  An FXS card is used
when you want to interface between on kind of communications and another.
Usually you have, at one end, a regular 2 wire line, a POTS line, but you'd
only need this FXS card if the other size of the circuit differs: maybe it's a 4
wire circuit, maybe it's a DS0 channel of a T1, I don't know if folks are still
using SF-based circuitry anymore (the ability  to fake out the signalling is
very well publicized nowadays).  You comment about putting an FXS card on your
house wiring isn't clear to me, but the electrical and communications effect
would be similar to attaching an extra telephone set to your house wiring, I
think.  I could make more sense if YOU could make more sense, and tell me why
you'd be using that FXS card (what sort of signalling conversion are you 
effecting?)

One example might be to take your two wire house POTS line and remote it to a
different state, like originating in Michigan, and adding a remote to New
Mexico.  You can't move a 2 wire line anywhere near that far, so you'd need to
convert the signal to some format more well adapted to long distance travel.
Again, it would be exactly as if you had added a new phone set to your house
wiring.  You'd hear if someone were listening this way, it wouldn't be silent.
Creating a good tap of a 2 wire line would be possible, but not that easily, and
it would have to be listening only, no ability to break into the conversation.

 
 Thanks
 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Domain name registration

[Chuck Robey]

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James wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I'm looking for suggestions to use for DNS registrars.
 
 But first a few key points.
 
 1. I own the domain name exclusively. This means if I want to 
 change (move) registrars, it's not an issue, except for expenses.
 
 2. No bundled packages for space of any kind needed or wanted.
(I'll be running my own server on dedicated connection).
 
 3. No DNS restrictions except for the Registrar running
 optional secondary (dns) service for me.
 I need to run the primary and the secondary DNS servers.
 
 
 Lots of things have changed since I last did this, so
 I'm definitely not interested in Go Daddy or any such
 monkeyshines or crap. Just registration, and leave 
 me alone to run my own servers. i. e. no nonsense.

I do precisely this, using GoDaddy.  I don't see why using a service like that
wouldn't be possible to get into what you want.  You'd have to make sure, when
you set it up, that you didn't ask GoDaddy to supply any other services, but
it's certainly possible.  I run my own server, I get the name from GoDaddy, but
they provide no nameserver services, nor web pages.  I used to get it from a
different vendor, but their service turned out to stink, so I learned that it
takes about a week or two to transfer the name (from X to GoDaddy), because all
services (like GoDaddy) need to go to reasonable lengths to make sure that they
aren't faked out by frauds.  You probably wouldn't really want less.

 
 
 All suggestions are most welcome. I'm not really interested
 in anything free (if there are any strings attached), 
 but am willing to swap (dns) secondary services for 
 light bandwidth types of similar DNS secondary services..
 
 
 Are there any other choices using Gentoo, other than
 DJBDNS or bind-9 ? Thoughts?
 
 
 
 James
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: [gentoo-user] telephony

[Chuck Robey]

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Stroller wrote:
 
 On 24 Apr 2009, at 19:38, Michael Higgins wrote:
 
 On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:08:48 +0100
 Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote:

 [...]
 If you want Asterisk to answer your conventional POTS phone line
 then you can use an X100P card which you can buy for c £17. AIUI this
 is basically a modem based on a certain chipset that Digium have
 written drivers for.

 They have unequivocally dropped support for these cheap cards. They
 suck anyway, but this isn't to say you can't play with one I still
 do, after all.
 ...
 This may be true, but I believe it's more because the cards, as every
 one will tell you straight up (unless they are selling you the card,
 of course) are of poor quality and design.
 Yep. There are driver issues, voltage/signalling problems... and in
 the end, even if working, they won't sound good. There's a reason they
 are, like, $10 on Ebay.

 Basically, they are decent winmodems (if such a thing is possible)...
 that they can be used for telephony is a fluke.
 ...
 My time figuring out the first glitch between my card and the (sort
 of) supporting driver would have been saved/paid for by buying a real
 FXO/FXS card initially.
 
 Hi Michael,
 
 Many thanks for your comments. How much is one looking at for a real
 FXO/FXS card?
 
 I'm not sure the difference between FXO  FXS - just want something to
 convert my home phone line for use with Asterisk or similar. Don't
 bother giving me model numbers or anything like that - I can do my own
 research  I'm sure the situation will have changed by the time I get
 around to deploying. Just interested in a labb-park figure, as the
 little Irish girl said.

You seem to want to know the difference, FXO vs FXS.  If I got this wrong, just
delete it.  FXS is meant to interface to a telephone set, so it gives talk
battery and (as needed) ringing current.  FXO is meant to interface to a line
from a telco switch, so it accepts battery (if the circuit it's hooked up to
doesn't give talk battery, you have no circuit) and expects to be rung into, so
it detects ringing battery.  Most of the time, both FXO's and FXS's offer
options to operate in loop start (regular POTS) or ground start mode.  Write me
if you need more on that last.  Options like reverse battery aren't usually
offered in FXO/FXS cards.  You usually have to give a FXS card your own source
of ringing battery, not FXO, because an FXO is expecting to have ringing battery
sent to it (from the telco switch it's connected to) to begin with.


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[gentoo-user] eselect usage

[Chuck Robey]

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I have a machine which I hadn't used in about 3 months, so yesterday I began
with an emerge --sync and then updated system.  I got a message tellimg me I
had to read an eselect message from gentoo, but no matter how I play with it,
I can't get eselect to accept anything at all regarding gentoo.  There isn't
any such module, nor any news item at all available.  If anyone recognizes the
message from emerge about eselect, could you give me a command line that will
report what it is that emerge is asking me to read?
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Re: [gentoo-user] eselect usage

[Chuck Robey]

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Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
 On Freitag 24 April 2009, Chuck Robey wrote:
 I have a machine which I hadn't used in about 3 months, so yesterday I
 began with an emerge --sync and then updated system.  I got a message
 tellimg me I had to read an eselect message from gentoo, but no matter
 how I play with it, I can't get eselect to accept anything at all regarding
 gentoo.  There isn't any such module, nor any news item at all available.
  If anyone recognizes the message from emerge about eselect, could you give
 me a command line that will report what it is that emerge is asking me to
 read?
 
 elesect news

well, I had already tried eselect news, it only reports back that there are 0
items to read.  Seeing as emerge is telling me I need to read the eselect news,
it seems likely that I'm still doing something wrong, or maybe that my
configuration is wrong.

Maybe things will improve after I finish updating all the /etc/ files.

 
 

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[gentoo-user] trying to run firefox

[Chuck Robey]

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I just did a emerge --update of firefox, and while that seemed to emerge with no
errors, when I tried to run it, it tells me it can't load the XRE functions.
This doesn't mean anything to me; does anyone know what that refers to, and how
I might clear it up?

BTW, the earlier version I'd had in, of portage's firefox, worked fine.  I CAN
say that, just previous to trying the update of firefox, I updated my gnome.
That required a great deal of installation of dependencies (probably more, all
told, that 100 packages) but worked fine and executes fine.  However, perhaps
some part of that is what hid my XRE functions?
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[gentoo-user] building kde-meta

[Chuck Robey]

This email comments on something dealing with an emerge package issue; if this
is the wrong list to put that into, let me know, I'll try again.

I'm trying to emerge kde-base/kde-meta.  As I ordinarily do with things I know
will have lots of dependencies, I ran emerge --pretend on it to see if I was
all right with the list of dependencies.  In this case, one of the items listed
was kde-base/kde-i18n-3.5.9.  Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but the stuff that
says i18n is referring to a version that supports a Russian character list.
That's truly useless for me (and, I would think, the great majority of users in
the USA).  What I wanted to ask is, having that file as a default dependency of
kde-meta, isn't that hugely wrong?  I mean, shouldn't a user have to slect that
in, not have it get installed by default?  I mean, you should need to have
something like that in your USE flags, shouldn't you?

Or, am I getting something wrong in understanding what an app labeled with
i18n would mean?

Re: [gentoo-user] [extremly, wildly, obscenely OT] Is there a Linux system without GNU userlands?

[Chuck Robey]

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b.n. wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I ask it here because I really don't know where to ask it.
 
 Is there a Linux system somewhere with a *non-GNU* userland?
 
 I wonder in particular if:
 - there are Linux systems using the BSD userlands
 - there are Linux systems using completely non-standard userlands...
 let's say, non-Unix tools on top of a Linux kernel.
 
 Only thing I can think about is (maybe) embedded systems or things using
 busybox, but in the latter case just imitating gnu or bsd userlands.
 
 Not that I have a real purpose for such a bizarre beast, I'm just curious.
 
 m.
 

You might possibly be missing one of the most basic (in organization)
differences between any BSD and any Linux is that BSD's are all built and
packaged with a set of userland programs.  This doesn't include many user
applications, just the kind of things that you think of as being part of any
base (like shells, or utilities like the various filesystem tools, grep, find,
like that)  Linux, OTOH, is only a kernel.  Any time you go after a distribution
that has more than the kernel (and ONLY the kernel) its because the group
putting together that distribution has decided to attach those parts, but the
Linux developers are concerned with the kernel alone.

So, when you talk about, say, FreeBSD, you're talking about kernel + userland
base.  This isn't truie with Linux, so all linuxes are just a little bit
different in their choice of userland tools.

Some Linux distros cater more to developers, some to businesspeople, some to
newbies, some to professionals.  FreeBSD is FreeBSD.  There are good reasons why
both are as they are, neither is (without your own opinion making it so)
better.  It is usually true that Linuxes all have better coverage of device
drivers.  It is also usually true BSD's are usually more evenly planned.  But,
there are differences.  What you ought to do is to read as many different OSes
as yo have time for, because it sure makes a great hobby.
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Re: [gentoo-user] [extremly, wildly, obscenely OT] Is there a Linux system without GNU userlands?

[Chuck Robey]

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b.n. wrote:
 Chuck Robey ha scritto:
 You might possibly be missing one of the most basic (in organization)
 differences between any BSD and any Linux is that BSD's are all built and
 packaged with a set of userland programs.  This doesn't include many user
 applications, just the kind of things that you think of as being part
 of any
 base (like shells, or utilities like the various filesystem tools,
 grep, find,
 like that)  Linux, OTOH, is only a kernel.  Any time you go after a
 distribution
 that has more than the kernel (and ONLY the kernel) its because the group
 putting together that distribution has decided to attach those parts,
 but the
 Linux developers are concerned with the kernel alone.
 
 Ehm, thanks for the lesson, but I am actually well aware of that. I
 installed and used a lot of Linux distros and, to a lesser extent, BSD
 and other exotic systems (Hurd anyone?).
 
 Instead, maybe you might possibly be missing the fact that kernel-BSD
 systems with GNU userlands have been attempted (Debian GNU/kFreeBSD
 being one - dunno about the Gentoo/FreeBSD port -is it still alive, by
 the way?). I wondered if there is the contrary, as a startpoint.
 
 So, when you talk about, say, FreeBSD, you're talking about kernel +
 userland
 base.  This isn't truie with Linux, so all linuxes are just a little bit
 different in their choice of userland tools.
 
 That's why I asked if there is some Linux that is not a little bit but
 *wildly* different, as to be almost unrecognizable as the Linux we're
 all familiar with (that usually is done by a bash/zsh/ksh shell + other
 gnu coreutils etc.)
 
 For a (theoretical) example, imagine a system that boots in the Windows
 Powershell on top of the Linux kernel.
 
 m.
 

Sorry.  Not to be insulting, but it really sounded like a newbie question, which
is why I reacted that way.  On your own rereading, doesn't it sound a bit that
way to you, a bit?

I apologize, then.
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Re: [gentoo-user] upgraded video card, nvidia drivers no longer work

[Chuck Robey]

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Budd, Tracy wrote:
 xorg.conf below. Note that driver changed to nv in order to run X.
 If I try to use nvidia I get a blank screen and the machine locks.
 I checked the Xorg.0.log file and the machine seems to have died before
 it wrote anything.
 Suggestions appreciated.

You realize that the nvidia driver doesn't come wtih X, you need to build it
separately?  You have a nvidia_drv.so?  The nv comes by default, but it's a much
lesser tool.

 -Tracy
 
 Section ServerLayout
 Identifier X.org Configured
 Screen  0  Screen0 0 0
 InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer
 InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard
 EndSection
 
 Section Files
 RgbPath  /usr/share/X11/rgb
 ModulePath   /usr/lib64/xorg/modules
 FontPath /usr/share/fonts/misc/
 FontPath /usr/share/fonts/TTF/
 FontPath /usr/share/fonts/OTF
 FontPath /usr/share/fonts/Type1/
 FontPath /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/
 FontPath /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/
 EndSection
 
 Section Module
 Load  glx
 Load  extmod
 Load  dbe
 Load  record
 Load  GLcore
 Load  xtrap
 #Load  dri
 Load  wfb
 Load  freetype
 Load  type1
 EndSection
 
 Section InputDevice
 Identifier  Keyboard0
 Driver  kbd
 EndSection
 
 Section InputDevice
 Identifier  Mouse0
 Driver  mouse
 Option  Protocol auto
 Option  Device /dev/input/mice
 Option  ZAxisMapping 4 5 6 7
 EndSection
 
 Section Monitor
 Identifier   Monitor0
 VendorName   Monitor Vendor
 ModelNameMonitor Model
 EndSection
 
 Section Device
 ### Available Driver options are:-
 ### Values: i: integer, f: float, bool: True/False,
 ### string: String, freq: f Hz/kHz/MHz
 ### [arg]: arg optional
 #Option SWcursor  # [bool]
 #Option HWcursor  # [bool]
 #Option NoAccel   # [bool]
 #Option ShadowFB  # [bool]
 #Option UseFBDev  # [bool]
 #Option Rotate# [str]
 #Option VideoKey  # i
 #Option FlatPanel # [bool]
 #Option FPDither  # [bool]
 #Option CrtcNumber# i
 #Option FPScale   # [bool]
 #Option FPTweak   # i
 #Option DualHead  # [bool]
 Identifier  Card0
 Driver  nv
 VendorName  nVidia Corporation
 BoardName   Unknown Board
 BusID   PCI:5:0:0
 EndSection
 
 Section Screen
 Identifier Screen0
 Device Card0
 MonitorMonitor0
 SubSection Display
 Viewport   0 0
 Depth 16
 EndSubSection
 SubSection Display
 Viewport   0 0
 Depth 24
 EndSubSection
 EndSection
 

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Re: [gentoo-user] upgraded video card, nvidia drivers no longer work

[Chuck Robey]

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Budd, Tracy wrote:
 Yes. I have the nvidia driver built, and it loads using modprobe.

I still think you might be confusing the kernel module, using modprobe to load,
with the X11 driver (you need both) which is named (as I wrote below)
nvidia_drv.so.  You do not use modprobe to load the X11 driver.  Looking at your
included xorg.conf, you have nv loaded in X11, not nvidia.  Wrong item.

 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Chuck Robey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sat 7/26/2008 3:03 PM
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] upgraded video card, nvidia drivers no longer
 work
 
 Budd, Tracy wrote:
 xorg.conf below. Note that driver changed to nv in order to run X.
 If I try to use nvidia I get a blank screen and the machine locks.
 I checked the Xorg.0.log file and the machine seems to have died before
 it wrote anything.
 Suggestions appreciated.
 
 You realize that the nvidia driver doesn't come wtih X, you need to build it
 separately?  You have a nvidia_drv.so?  The nv comes by default, but
 it's a much
 lesser tool.
 
 -Tracy
 
 Section ServerLayout
 Identifier X.org Configured
 Screen  0  Screen0 0 0
 InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer
 InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard
 EndSection
 
 Section Files
 RgbPath  /usr/share/X11/rgb
 ModulePath   /usr/lib64/xorg/modules
 FontPath /usr/share/fonts/misc/
 FontPath /usr/share/fonts/TTF/
 FontPath /usr/share/fonts/OTF
 FontPath /usr/share/fonts/Type1/
 FontPath /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/
 FontPath /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/
 EndSection
 
 Section Module
 Load  glx
 Load  extmod
 Load  dbe
 Load  record
 Load  GLcore
 Load  xtrap
 #Load  dri
 Load  wfb
 Load  freetype
 Load  type1
 EndSection
 
 Section InputDevice
 Identifier  Keyboard0
 Driver  kbd
 EndSection
 
 Section InputDevice
 Identifier  Mouse0
 Driver  mouse
 Option  Protocol auto
 Option  Device /dev/input/mice
 Option  ZAxisMapping 4 5 6 7
 EndSection
 
 Section Monitor
 Identifier   Monitor0
 VendorName   Monitor Vendor
 ModelNameMonitor Model
 EndSection
 
 Section Device
 ### Available Driver options are:-
 ### Values: i: integer, f: float, bool: True/False,
 ### string: String, freq: f Hz/kHz/MHz
 ### [arg]: arg optional
 #Option SWcursor  # [bool]
 #Option HWcursor  # [bool]
 #Option NoAccel   # [bool]
 #Option ShadowFB  # [bool]
 #Option UseFBDev  # [bool]
 #Option Rotate# [str]
 #Option VideoKey  # i
 #Option FlatPanel # [bool]
 #Option FPDither  # [bool]
 #Option CrtcNumber# i
 #Option FPScale   # [bool]
 #Option FPTweak   # i
 #Option DualHead  # [bool]
 Identifier  Card0
 Driver  nv
 VendorName  nVidia Corporation
 BoardName   Unknown Board
 BusID   PCI:5:0:0
 EndSection
 
 Section Screen
 Identifier Screen0
 Device Card0
 MonitorMonitor0
 SubSection Display
 Viewport   0 0
 Depth 16
 EndSubSection
 SubSection Display
 Viewport   0 0
 Depth 24
 EndSubSection
 EndSection
 
 
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Re: [gentoo-user] upgraded video card, nvidia drivers no longer work

[Chuck Robey]

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Budd, Tracy wrote:
 Yes. I have nv loaded in my xorg.conf, because when I put nvidia in 
 xorg.conf, 
my machine crashes. That is the problem that I am having. nvidia in xorg.conf
used to work before I upgraded my card.

OK, then, the next thing to do is to examine the Xorg.0.log file in /var/log.
Be careful, for posting that, because it can get large.  BUT at this point, it's
really the best resource you have, for trooubleshooting.  You'll see if you give
it a very careful examination.

 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Chuck Robey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sat 7/26/2008 4:55 PM
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] upgraded video card, nvidia drivers no longer work
  
 Budd, Tracy wrote:
 Yes. I have the nvidia driver built, and it loads using modprobe.
 
 I still think you might be confusing the kernel module, using modprobe to 
 load,
 with the X11 driver (you need both) which is named (as I wrote below)
 nvidia_drv.so.  You do not use modprobe to load the X11 driver.  Looking at 
 your
 included xorg.conf, you have nv loaded in X11, not nvidia.  Wrong item.
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[gentoo-user] help!

[Chuck Robey]

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I used to get my domain frpm OpenSRS until they put a knife in my back, which
has resulted in two things:

My being completely separated from [EMAIL PROTECTED], and instead using
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (thank you, GoDaddy!).  I'm going to see if the BBB is
interested in talking to OpenSRS at all.

The other one is the one I don't know how to handle: my existing subscriptions
to chuckr.org need to be administered (stopped) but only can be done from that
dead address, chuckr.org.  I can only use telenix.org, but I can't stop the
chuckr.org one from there.

How can I stop what has become spam?  I can't see any listing for any human on
the lists to help me, in the gentoo lists page.  Does anyone have any ideas?  On
many other lists, I've already done it be identifying one person who could
access the lists in question, and make sure that chuckr.org no longer existed.
Most, they were also willing to give me a complete list of where I was attached
to, to aid me in moving them.  I finished the FreeeBSD, maemo, and xorg lists
that way, and now we're waiting on gentoo ...
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Re: [gentoo-user] help!

[Chuck Robey]

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Albert Hopkins wrote:
 On Sun, 2008-05-11 at 16:39 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:
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 I used to get my domain frpm OpenSRS until they put a knife in my back, which
 has resulted in two things:

 My being completely separated from [EMAIL PROTECTED], and instead using
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (thank you, GoDaddy!).  I'm going to see if the BBB is
 interested in talking to OpenSRS at all.

 The other one is the one I don't know how to handle: my existing 
 subscriptions
 to chuckr.org need to be administered (stopped) but only can be done from 
 that
 dead address, chuckr.org.  I can only use telenix.org, but I can't stop the
 chuckr.org one from there.

 How can I stop what has become spam?  I can't see any listing for any human 
 on
 the lists to help me, in the gentoo lists page.  Does anyone have any ideas? 
  On
 many other lists, I've already done it be identifying one person who could
 access the lists in question, and make sure that chuckr.org no longer 
 existed.
 Most, they were also willing to give me a complete list of where I was 
 attached
 to, to aid me in moving them.  I finished the FreeeBSD, maemo, and xorg lists
 that way, and now we're waiting on gentoo ...
 
 Ok, I've read this a couple of times.  And, admittedly, I have a hard
 time understanding it in general.  But, specifically, I have been
 wondering WTF this has to do with Gentoo?
 
 -a
 
 

Because Gentoo-user is the last list I haven't been able to fix, or even to
locate a human who is in charge of it (as access to the administrative files).
I was rather hoping that someone in that position might speak up.  It's worked
so far in two of my situations, so I thought to try it again.  It's the kind of
thing where, if you know it';s going to happen in advance, it's very easy to
deal with, but if it surprises you, there doesn't seem to be any way to cancel
the old address in favor of the new one.  I have the new one already working,
it's getting rid of the old one I can't accomplish.
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Re: [gentoo-user] help!

[Chuck Robey]

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Albert Hopkins wrote:
 On Sun, 2008-05-11 at 16:39 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:
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 I used to get my domain frpm OpenSRS until they put a knife in my back, which
 has resulted in two things:

 My being completely separated from [EMAIL PROTECTED], and instead using
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (thank you, GoDaddy!).  I'm going to see if the BBB is
 interested in talking to OpenSRS at all.

 The other one is the one I don't know how to handle: my existing 
 subscriptions
 to chuckr.org need to be administered (stopped) but only can be done from 
 that
 dead address, chuckr.org.  I can only use telenix.org, but I can't stop the
 chuckr.org one from there.

 How can I stop what has become spam?  I can't see any listing for any human 
 on
 the lists to help me, in the gentoo lists page.  Does anyone have any ideas? 
  On
 many other lists, I've already done it be identifying one person who could
 access the lists in question, and make sure that chuckr.org no longer 
 existed.
 Most, they were also willing to give me a complete list of where I was 
 attached
 to, to aid me in moving them.  I finished the FreeeBSD, maemo, and xorg lists
 that way, and now we're waiting on gentoo ...
 
 Ok, I've read this a couple of times.  And, admittedly, I have a hard
 time understanding it in general.  But, specifically, I have been
 wondering WTF this has to do with Gentoo?
 
 -a
 
 

You know, I'm sorry if this insults you, but when I find what seems to be a
dead-end with no solutions, I tend to get a bit creative.  To get rid of me on
this, make any suggestion at all that is even slightly reasonable (if I'm
grabbing at straws, I'm not going to be too choosy).
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Re: [gentoo-user] help!

[Chuck Robey]

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Daniel Iliev wrote:
 On Sun, 11 May 2008 16:39:25 -0400
 Chuck Robey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 On many other lists, I've already done it be
 identifying one person who could access the lists in question, and
 make sure that chuckr.org no longer existed.
 
 
 
 Send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to get the full
 list of available commands among which:
 
 To contact the list owner, send a message to:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 

Excellent, thanks!
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[gentoo-user] epson printers using avasys drivers. anyone?

[Chuck Robey]

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I need a test report from folks running Gentoo (as I do).

I was wondering if anyone had tried with any success whatever, the PIPS drivers
from http://avasys.jp/hp/menu00900/hpg00859.htm ??  I've been trying
(with no success excepting this longshot, the Epson RX680), to get a Inkjet
printer that has duplex (doublesided) printing to admit they have working Linux
drivers (really, Gentoo ones).  I've found both the Canon PIXMA (the MP830 and
MX850 printers, and the HP C7280, but the Linuxprinting database shows no
support for those yet.  I wouldn't have known about the Avasys driver from
Linuxprinting alone, but I guess I got lucky with sufficient time wasted with
Google.  Avasys said they got it working with some other Linux distros, but not
Gentoo.

So, I'm praying I can get at least one positive report here on getting that
Epson printer (or, even one of thoe others) working under Gentoo.
Unfortunately, Avasys doesn't test with Gentoo (the snobs).

Sure would appreciate even a rumor of a way to get a duplex (like I said,
doublesided) printer up and running (cheaply, I won't pay $2,000.00, that HP
model, at about $300, is as far as I'd want to go.)
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[gentoo-user] sandbox problems

[Chuck Robey]

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I am trying to udate kde-meta (actually, I think it never completely
installed, but I'm doing an update now) and it won't get past the very
first part, that of kde-base/libkpimidentities-3.5.8, because it gets this
error:

libsandbox:  Can't resolve getcwd: (null)

Actually, mmods of that basic line, including the word libsandbox, can't
resolv show up aboout a dozen times, then finally:

make  all-recursive
make[1]: Entering directory
`/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/libkpimidentities-3.5.8/work/libkpimidentities-3.5.8'
Making all in doc
make[2]: Entering directory
`/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/libkpimidentities-3.5.8/work/libkpimidentities-3.5.8/doc'
make[2]: *** No rule to make target `all'.  Stop.
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/libkpimidentities-3.5.8/work/libkpimidentities-3.5.8/doc'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/libkpimidentities-3.5.8/work/libkpimidentities-3.5.8'
make: *** [all] Error 2
 *
 * ERROR: kde-base/libkpimidentities-3.5.8 failed.
 * Call stack:
 *   ebuild.sh, line   49:  Called src_compile
 * environment, line 4367:  Called kde-meta_src_compile
 * environment, line 2916:  Called kde_src_compile
 * environment, line 3081:  Called kde_src_compile 'src_compile'
 * environment, line 3202:  Called kde_src_compile
'src_compile' 'all' 'myconf'
 * environment, line 3198:  Called die
 * The specific snippet of code:
 *   emake || die died running emake, $FUNCNAME:make
 *  The die message:
 *   died running emake, kde_src_compile:make

OK, that's all of it, but I *think* it's all revolving around that
libsandbox thing.  There's no man page on it, nothing in the emerge or
portage man pages on sandbox, but therer are some things I saw on Google
saying this might be some enw error (but I saw no workaround)  I did see
some places in the man page for make.conf, but they didn't tell me enouhg
to let me modify it, but DID tell me that I shouldn't touch it.  My portage
is now broken because if it, at least, that's what it seems like.
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[gentoo-user] format for eix-sync

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I was reading in the eix man page about eix-sync, and it gave about a
million options, but nowhere did I see if give a useable format for the
options,  I wanted to have a option line setting
 but I couldn't tell if it was like

PRINT_SLOTS=yes or
PRINT_SLOTS yes or
PRINT_SLOTS=yes   or
PRINT_SLOTS yes

There are other permutations.  Howcome the man page doesn't give something
as obvious as that?  Darn huge man page, after I initially found the
PRINT_SLOTS defintion, it took me 10 more minutes to find out that it was
supposed to go into /etc/eix-sync.  It gives a great amoount of info, but
maybe it could stand some better organization, to let things get found.
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Re: [gentoo-user] format for eix-sync

[Chuck Robey]

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Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On Monday 17 March 2008, Chuck Robey wrote:
 I was reading in the eix man page about eix-sync, and it gave about a
 million options, but nowhere did I see if give a useable format for
 the options,  I wanted to have a option line setting
  but I couldn't tell if it was like

 PRINT_SLOTS=yes  or
 PRINT_SLOTS  yes or
 PRINT_SLOTS=yesor
 PRINT_SLOTS  yes

 There are other permutations.  Howcome the man page doesn't give
 something as obvious as that?  Darn huge man page, after I initially
 found the PRINT_SLOTS defintion, it took me 10 more minutes to find
 out that it was supposed to go into /etc/eix-sync.  It gives a great
 amoount of info, but maybe it could stand some better organization,
 to let things get found.
 
 The format is none of those :-) It actually looks like this:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/movies $ sudo eix --dump | grep SLOT
 DIFF_NO_SLOTS='false'
 FORMAT_BEFORE_SLOT_IUSE='\n\t\{(blue)'
 FORMAT_AFTER_SLOT_IUSE='()\}'
 COLOR_SLOTS='red,1'
 COLORED_SLOTS='true'
 COLON_SLOTS='false'
 UPGRADE_TO_HIGHEST_SLOT='true'
 PRINT_SLOTS='true'
 
 

Wow, GREAT.  Slots are such a great idea, thjey need more publicity.
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Re: [gentoo-user] format for eix-sync

[Chuck Robey]

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Emil Beinroth wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 04:31:11PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:
 I was reading in the eix man page about eix-sync, and it gave about a
 million options, but nowhere did I see if give a useable format for the
 options,
 
 Quoting from the manpage ..
 
   /etc/eixrc
   Global configuration file. The variables in ~/.eixrc or from the
   environment can override the variables set in this file.
   See ~/.eixrc.
   
   [snip]
   
   ~/.eixrc
   Per-user configuration file. The variables in this file can be
   overridden by environment variables. You can use a shell-like
   syntax to set the following variables. ^^
   ^^ 
 

Oh, I see.  The system which I ssh'ed to, where _I DID_ check /etc/eixrc
and foound it empty had no package for eix installed, and I didn't know
then it was an added package.  I didn't miss that, but, as I have said
before (enough to where I know I'm getting to be boring) that examples,
eithout having the syntax explained (and the man page doesn't) is a very
bad habit of Unix, because it seems that every programmer assumes you're
only going to be using their own task when they give you an example, so
when you don't do exactly what tey say, you're just SOL.  God, I have had
enough of that (sorry, as you probably can tell my now, that's a real hot
button of mine by now).

  I wanted to have a option line setting but I couldn't tell if it was
  like

 PRINT_SLOTS=yes  or
 PRINT_SLOTS  yes or
 PRINT_SLOTS=yesor
 PRINT_SLOTS  yes
 
 As said above, eix uses shell-style configuration files so #1 and #3
 should be fine.
 
 There are other permutations.  Howcome the man page doesn't give something
 as obvious as that?  Darn huge man page, after I initially found the
 PRINT_SLOTS defintion, it took me 10 more minutes to find out that it was
 supposed to go into /etc/eix-sync.
 
 Are you sure? Normally that stuff goes into /etc/eixrc or ~/.eixrc.

Well, I had no ~/.eixrc.

 
 It gives a great amoount of info, but maybe it could stand some better
 organization, to let things get found.
 
 Martin actually acknowledges this problem in the BUGS section: There
 are too many features: The documentation and configuration has become
 too complicated. So it definitely could.

Well, that's not really an insurmountable problem.  It makes writing the
man page hard, but if it's well written, it can still be read.  Look at the
grep man page.  L:ong time back (LONG time, I mean V.7 days), at first
there was only a grep writeup, not a man page.  It gave two very well
detailed examples, but realizing how grep was set up, the writeup was the
next thing to useless, and I couldn't make any use of it until I finally
located a man page for it that gave all the options.  You need to give at
least a bare summary of what each and every flag does, THEN an example can
be a really useful thing, but alone it sucks..  It's a real problem that it
seems to be the current way for programmers to get out of having to really
document things.

Hey, I'm not perfect, I don't like writing docs either.  The only
typesetter I do well with is troff, and when things changed to xml, I can't
write things up anymore.  I can do some nice things with troff (even write
macros) but that doesn't get me too far ennymore.

 
 The *huge* list of variables could be split up into sections, for
 example all the MATCH_* stuff could go into a section called Changing
 default match-fields. 
 But this approach is probably be better suited for formats that support
 links, so we can have a nice table of contents. info-pages spring to
 mind, but I hear many people don't like those.
 
 Another way to reduce the size and complexity could be to split the
 whole thing into multiple documents, one for each tool (eix, update-eix,
 eix-diff and so on..).
 
 Any thoughts or suggestions on this topic would be greatly appreciated.
 
 Cheers, Emil
 

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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Chuck Robey]

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Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:54:52 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:
 
 I wasn't even aware of the ask option,
 
 It is explained in the emerge man page.
 
 I think I realize now, that even thoughthe program name is emeerge, I
 didn't realize you folks call the job of installing a program, merging
 
 As is this. You really need to read man emerge and man portage to
 understand what you are doing.
 
 

I've read it 4 times already, I just donm['t have it memorized.  I did
check and prove that it doesn't even mention the word slot  I didn't
realize it would use the * key if you escaped it and fed it in.  I don't
think it says that.
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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

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Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On Saturday 15 March 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:13:05 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:
 I haven't been able to find any syntax to actually use slots,
 In general, you don't. Slots are mainly used for libraries and
 similar programs that are used by other programs. One program needs
 libfoo 1.x,another needs libfoo 2.x. Slots enable you to have both
 installed and both programs are happy.

 There are a few slotted packages where a user decides which version
 they want, but this is done is the same way as specifying the version
 for non-slotted packages, by specifying the version in the emerge
 command.
 
 Just to expand on that a little (the info IS all in the various man 
 pages, but it's not really laid out in a tutorial style so that people 
 seeing it for the first time can wrap their brains around it):
 
 As Neil says, SLOTs let you have two or more versions of the same thing 
 so they co-exist. Usually, SLOTS are named after the major version 
 number of the package, but not always. Take these two examples, using 
 eix (with extra stuff like dates and USE flags snipped out):
 
 [I] x11-libs/qt
  Available versions:
 (3) 3.3.4-r8 3.3.8-r4
 (4) 4.3.2-r1 (~)4.3.3 (~)4.3.4 [M](~)4.4.0_beta1
  Installed versions:  3.3.8-r4(3)
   4.3.4(4)
 
 This says in the Available section that there are two SLOTs for qt - 3 
 and 4 - and there are several versions available in both branches. On 
 my box, I have qt-3.3.8-r4 installed in the qt:3 SLOT and qt-4.3.2.-r1 
 in the qt:4 SLOT. So far so good. Now look at kde:
 
 * kde-base/kde-meta
  Available versions:
 (3.5)   3.5.8 (~)3.5.9
 (kde-4) {M}(~)4.0.1 {M}(~)4.0.2
 
 This one is different, the SLOTs are called 3.5 and kde-4, and I 
 don't have the full kde range installed for either. I find that eix's 
 output is the easiest way to determine which SLOTs are defined, the 
 colourized output lays it out quite nicely.
 
 Portage handles SLOT updates by only considering the latest SLOT (unless 
 you say otherwise). If I issue 'emerge kde-meta' on my box, portage 
 wants to install kde-4.0.2 because that is the latest version (portage 
 always wants to upgrade to the latest possible version even without 
 SLOTs being involved). To update an earlier SLOT I have to use a minor 
 syntax tweak:
 
 emerge kde-meta:3.5
 
 The : is the signal to look for a SLOT. Portage will update to the 
 highest version in the 3.5 SLOT which happens to be 3.5.9 for me. 
 (Aside: all we need do now is hope and pray that no package ever gets 
 a : in it's name ... )
 
 Quite obviously, in my case the following two commands are identical:
 
 emerge kde-meta
 emerge kde-meta:kde-4
 
 In summary, the SLOT syntax is just a sensible extension of how portage 
 deals with ranges of versions. Compare these and it all makes sense:
 
 emerge foo
 emerge foo-1.0.0
 emerge =foo-2.3.4
 emerge foo:1
 emerge foo:2
 
 Hope all this helps and it now makes a little more sense :-)
 
 

It certainly does!  AND I found that there IS one document that tells you
more than a fleeting hint about slots: the eix man page.  Someone else sort
of snidely said you should read the emerge man page after giving me (once
again) description of slots without giving me any way to USE them ... as if
I hadn't read that emerge man page again and again, and let me tell you, it
gives nothing whatever on slots.  Well, now, after reading this, AND the
eix man page, I think I will know enough to begin to be dangerous :-)

I was getting SO bored of getting descriptions of what a slot is, but never
being given any way to access that grand thing called a SLOT.  Now,
finally, someone has handed me a slotted screwdriver!
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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

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Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On Friday 14 March 2008, Chuck Robey wrote:
 Vladimir Rusinov wrote:
 
 Just add opengl to your use flags and `emerge -v1 =x11-libs/qt-3*`
 Then, you'll probably need `emerge --update --deep --newuse
 kde-meta` (or emerge -uDN kde-meta)
 You aren't understanding me.  I am fully aware of qt versions 3 and
 4, and if I was gbuilding them on my own, this wouldn't be a problem,
 but I am trying to use the portage system, and there isnt'any such
 emerge package named like this, at least, none I can find, none
 'emerge -s qt-3*' could find either.  If you could identify for me
 what the heck the real package name is, I would gladly rebuild it. 
 I'm  not having trouble with the command line, I'm having trouble
 finding the cirrect thing to rebuild.
 
 qt is SLOTted, I think you are simply using the wrong syntax. Using my 
 machine as an example (you should also emerge eix, it's so much easier 
 and quicker than emerge -s):
 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/bin $ eix -e qt
 [I] x11-libs/qt
  Available versions:
 (3) 3.3.4-r8 3.3.8-r4
 (4) 4.3.2-r1 (~)4.3.3 (~)4.3.4 [M](~)4.4.0_beta1
 
 The SLOTs are 3 and 4
 
 If I try to update qt, portage will update qt4 as it's the latest 
 version. I would have to do something like 
 
 emerge =qt-3.3.8-r4
 or the newish syntax incorporating SLOTs
 emerge qt:3
 
 You were essentially trying to tell portage to update a package 
 called qt-3, there is no such package. And getting to grips with 
 emerge's version number syntax can be a bitch
 
 Does this answer your query?
 

Comes very, very close.  I wasn't aware of slots.  I just went agoogling,
found several explanations of what it is in Gentoo docs (and read them) but
haven't found any explanation of how to use them (what tools, what syntax?
 I need to say, slots seem a great idea (depends on the abilities I see,
when I can locate the syntax).

Is there maybe something written up NOT on how to create a slotted package,
but how to sreach for particular slots being available, being filled by
what candidate, how to call a particular candidate to be built, etc.

I should note, one of my biggest hot buttons in documentation is the
unfortunate trend towards using _only_ examples.  Examples after giving the
full syntax are great, but examples alone are just enouigh to frustrate,
because your actual need is almost never what is exampled, and many folks
seem to think that one example is really all folks need.  Please, those of
you reading this, don''t let yourself fall into that trap, because an
example or tweo after the syntax is great, but a example or two ONLY is
inviting users to have to pester you forever.
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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

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Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:58:55 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:
 
  *  The die message:
  *   Please reemerge =x11-libs/qt-3* with USE=opengl.

 asks me to rebuild something that doesn't exist.
 
 It does exist, the wildcard tells portage to install the latest 3
 version. Try doing what it says in the message, although you should quote
 the package atom to stop the shell trying to interpret the *.
 
 emerge -1av '=x11-libs/qt-3*'

Thanks,  That's what i was after (although my curiosity is going to be
looking to see what gets selected).  The reply I got from the other fellow,
on SLOTs, was really interesting, but I haven't found out how to use slots
yet, just that they do seem a great idea.

Your reply, OTOH, showed me how to go forward, and I thank you.

 
 

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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Chuck Robey]

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Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:58:55 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:
 
  *  The die message:
  *   Please reemerge =x11-libs/qt-3* with USE=opengl.

 asks me to rebuild something that doesn't exist.
 
 It does exist, the wildcard tells portage to install the latest 3
 version. Try doing what it says in the message, although you should quote
 the package atom to stop the shell trying to interpret the *.
 
 emerge -1av '=x11-libs/qt-3*'
 
 

I didn't want to wear out my welcome. publicly, but one more question.
Using --update and --newuse, I just reinstalled qt last night.  This
morning, after someone suggested eix, I ran that, and got this:

june ~ # eix -e qt
[I] x11-libs/qt
 Available versions:
(3) 3.3.4-r8 3.3.8-r4
(4) 4.3.2-r1 ~4.3.3 ~4.3.4 [M]~4.4.0_beta1
{accessibility cups dbus debug doc examples firebird gif glib immqt
immqt-bc input_devices_wacom ipv6 jpeg mng mysql nas nis odbc opengl pch
png postgres qt3support sqlite sqlite3 ssl tiff xinerama zlib}
 Installed versions:  3.3.8-r4(3)(16:16:12 03/14/08)(cups doc examples
ipv6 opengl -debug -firebird -gif -immqt -immqt-bc -mysql -nas -nis -odbc
- -postgres -sqlite -xinerama)
  4.3.2-r1(4)(16:02:00 03/14/08)(cups dbus doc
examples jpeg opengl png ssl tiff zlib -accessibility -debug -firebird -gif
- -glib -input_devices_wacom -mng -mysql -nas -nis -odbc -pch -postgres
- -qt3support -sqlite -sqlite3 -xinerama)
 Homepage:http://www.trolltech.com/
 Description: The Qt toolkit is a comprehensive C++ application
development framework.

I haven't been able to find any syntax to actually use slots, so I needed
to ignore all the slot stuff until I get some slot info (the man page for
both emerge and portatge are silent on slots, beyond one very slim
paragraph in emerge, which gave no syntax).  This morning, when I did the
cut/paste of your command, it came back and asked me:


[ebuild   R   ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r4  USE=cups doc examples ipv6 opengl
- -debug (-firebird) -gif -immqt -immqt-bc -mysql -nas -nis -odbc -postgres
- -sqlite -xinerama 0 kB

Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB

Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No]

What the heck does it mean to merge these?

BTW, I did spend some time googling the answers, can't find anything
written on slot usage yet.
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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

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Dale wrote:
 Chuck Robey wrote:
 Neil Bothwick wrote:
  On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:58:55 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:

   *  The die message:
   *   Please reemerge =x11-libs/qt-3* with USE=opengl.
 
  asks me to rebuild something that doesn't exist.
  It does exist, the wildcard tells portage to install the latest 3
  version. Try doing what it says in the message, although you should
 quote
  the package atom to stop the shell trying to interpret the *.

  emerge -1av '=x11-libs/qt-3*'

 Thanks,  That's what i was after (although my curiosity is going to be
 looking to see what gets selected).  The reply I got from the other
 fellow,
 on SLOTs, was really interesting, but I haven't found out how to use
 slots
 yet, just that they do seem a great idea.

 Your reply, OTOH, showed me how to go forward, and I thank you.



 
 I'm going to shoot up a flare but I may not be able to shoot it in a way
 that will visible.  Look as close as you can.  ;-)
 
 Example:
 
 KDE.  There is currently two versions of KDE available.  We have the
 stable and widely used KDE 3 and the unstable KDE 4.  Even if KDE 4 was
 not masked and was stable, you could still have KDE 3 and KDE 4 on the
 same system at the same time.  You could use KDE 3, log out of it then
 select KDE 4 and log into the new KDE 4.  KDE is slotted.  Slotted just
 basically means you can have two versions of the same package(s) on the
 same system at the same time.
 
 Back to the qt thing you are dealing with.  I check this way but there
 are other ways to do this.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # equery list qt
 [ Searching for package 'qt' in all categories among: ]
 * installed packages
 [I--] [  ] dev-libs/dbus-qt3-old-0.70 (0)
 [I--] [  ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r4 (3)
 [I--] [  ] x11-libs/qt-4.3.2-r1 (4)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] / #
 
 I have qt3 and qt4 on here.  Can't recall what pulled in qt4 at the
 moment but they coexist very well.  Note the (3) and (4) on the end
 there?  That's what tells you it is slotted.  If a program needs qt3
 then it uses it.  If it needs qt4 then it can use it.  If you want to
 re-emerge qt3 manually, you can do it this way.  emerge
 =x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r4 will emerge qt3.  Emerge knows to do qt3 because
 there is a equal sign in front that tells it the specific version you
 want to emerge.  If you just type in emerge qt, it will emerge the
 highest version available but not the qt3 version.
 
 So, does this help any?  Somebody speak up if I am mistaken somewhere.
 Dale
 

It's certainly an aid, at least the bottom part (like i'd said, I;d foound
several different Gentoo docs giving me descriptions of what slots are, so
I knew that, just that there seem to be no docs anywhere I can locate IN
Gentoo that tell you HOW to use slots.  So, now I know that the parens
signal the slot info, but how do I choose them, select one over anther, adn
even to search for them in emerge?  You gave nice examples, but do you see
why I so much dislike examples when they come INSTEAD OF the full syntax
description?  Cause then you only learn what the example wants to show, and
people don't present exhaustive examples, because (reasonably enough)
examples aren't meant to be exhaustive, that's what the syntax explanations
are for.  I just wish that a rule would be promulgated in Gentoo
documentation that no one could be allowed to present an example unless
they'd gotten out a syntax explanation first.  It won't happen, but I wish
it would.

 :-)  :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Chuck Robey]

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Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:13:05 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:
 
 I haven't been able to find any syntax to actually use slots,
 
 In general, you don't. Slots are mainly used for libraries and similar
 programs that are used by other programs. One program needs libfoo
 1.x,another needs libfoo 2.x. Slots enable you to have both installed and
 both programs are happy.
 
 There are a few slotted packages where a user decides which version they
 want, but this is done is the same way as specifying the version for
 non-slotted packages, by specifying the version in the emerge command.
 
 This morning, when I
 did the cut/paste of your command, it came back and asked me:


 [ebuild   R   ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r4  USE=cups doc examples ipv6 opengl
 - -debug (-firebird) -gif -immqt -immqt-bc -mysql -nas -nis -odbc
 -postgres
 - -sqlite -xinerama 0 kB

 Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB

 Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No]

 What the heck does it mean to merge these?
 
 You ran emerge with the --ask parameter, so it shows you what it is going
 to install then asks for confirmation before proceeding. In this case,
 you can see there is no change of version or USE flags, so emerging it
 again is unnecessary.
 
 

I didn't think it was necessary to contradict you publicly, but I wasn't
even aware of the ask option, and I most certainly never have ever  used
it, with the exception of when others give me command lines to run for them.

I think I realize now, that even thoughthe program name is emeerge, I
didn't realize you folks call the job of installing a program, merging
it.  Never really penetrated my head.
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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Chuck Robey]

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Chuck Robey wrote:
 Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:13:05 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:
 
 I haven't been able to find any syntax to actually use slots,
 In general, you don't. Slots are mainly used for libraries and similar
 programs that are used by other programs. One program needs libfoo
 1.x,another needs libfoo 2.x. Slots enable you to have both installed and
 both programs are happy.
 
 There are a few slotted packages where a user decides which version they
 want, but this is done is the same way as specifying the version for
 non-slotted packages, by specifying the version in the emerge command.
 
 This morning, when I
 did the cut/paste of your command, it came back and asked me:


 [ebuild   R   ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r4  USE=cups doc examples ipv6 opengl
 - -debug (-firebird) -gif -immqt -immqt-bc -mysql -nas -nis -odbc
 -postgres
 - -sqlite -xinerama 0 kB

 Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB

 Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No]

 What the heck does it mean to merge these?
 You ran emerge with the --ask parameter, so it shows you what it is going
 to install then asks for confirmation before proceeding. In this case,
 you can see there is no change of version or USE flags, so emerging it
 again is unnecessary.
 
 
 
 I didn't think it was necessary to contradict you publicly, but I wasn't
 even aware of the ask option, and I most certainly never have ever  used
 it, with the exception of when others give me command lines to run for them.
 
 I think I realize now, that even thoughthe program name is emeerge, I
 didn't realize you folks call the job of installing a program, merging
 it.  Never really penetrated my head.

Goddamn it, I sure didn;'t  mean this to go public, damnit.  Apologies all
around, please.  RRGHHH!
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[Chuck Robey]

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I am trying to install kde-meta. I have been fixing my USE variables as I
find mistakes, and apprently, from this error I got (while building
kde-base/kopete-3.5.8) I was missing the opengl variable while I built a
lot of stuff, and it wants me to rebuild some qt things, but the error
message reads:

 *  The die message:
 *   Please reemerge =x11-libs/qt-3* with USE=opengl.

asks me to rebuild something that doesn't exist.  Could one of you wiser
heads take a look and see if you can figure out what things actually need
rebuilding?  I know about the --update --newuse flags, so (I hope) I just
need to know what to rebuild.  I tried asking emerge what the dependencies
of kopete were, but since the qt things are already installed, that didn't
work too well for me.

Sure would appreciate some help here.
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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Chuck Robey]

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Vladimir Rusinov wrote:
 
 
 On 3/14/08, *Chuck Robey* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
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 Hash: SHA1
 
 I am trying to install kde-meta. I have been fixing my USE variables
 as I
 find mistakes, and apprently, from this error I got (while building
 kde-base/kopete-3.5.8) I was missing the opengl variable while I built a
 lot of stuff, and it wants me to rebuild some qt things, but the error
 message reads:
 
   *  The die message:
   *   Please reemerge =x11-libs/qt-3* with USE=opengl.
 
 
 asks me to rebuild something that doesn't exist.
 
 
 Are you really shure that you don't have qt3 installed?
 You CAN'T build kde3 without qt3.
 
 Could one of you wiser
 heads take a look and see if you can figure out what things actually
 need
 rebuilding?  I know about the --update --newuse flags, so (I hope) I
 just
 need to know what to rebuild. 
 
 
 Just add opengl to your use flags and `emerge -v1 =x11-libs/qt-3*`
 Then, you'll probably need `emerge --update --deep --newuse kde-meta`
 (or emerge -uDN kde-meta)
 

You aren't understanding me.  I am fully aware of qt versions 3 and 4, and
if I was gbuilding them on my own, this wouldn't be a problem, but I am
trying to use the portage system, and there isnt'any such emerge package
named like this, at least, none I can find, none 'emerge -s qt-3*' could
find either.  If you could identify for me what the heck the real package
name is, I would gladly rebuild it.  I'm  not having trouble with the
command line, I'm having trouble finding the cirrect thing to rebuild.

 -- 
 Vladimir Rusinov
 Voronezh, Russia
 UNIX Admin @ Murano Software

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