Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-26 Thread Mick
On Friday 26 Dec 2014 00:44:50 Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On 25 December 2014 09:42:16 GMT+00:00, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com 
wrote:
  On Thursday 25 Dec 2014 09:20:15 Tom H wrote:
   On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 12:36 PM, German gentger...@gmail.com
  
  wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 12:17:19 -0500

Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com
  
  wrote:
I just tried to boot my Asus MoBo A88XM-PLUS, after I disabled
  
  CMS and
  
switched Secure Boot to other OS (as opposed to MS Windows),
  
  with
  
sysrescuecd-4.4.1.

Unfortunately I can't get a console due to this error:
 error: no suitable mode found.
 Booting in blind mode

How about booting without Secure Boot?

I am booting without secure boot and get the same error
   
   I'm sorry. I saw secure boot and assumed that you were trying to
   boot from an unsigned kernel.
   
   Your error message above looks like a grub error. Does your grub.cfg
   load two efi_something video modules?
  
  There is no grub on the PC, and the sysrescue LiveCD uses isolinux
  from what I
  recall.  For some reason when booting in EFI mode, sysrescueCD can't
  find a
  suitable mode for my LCD monitor.
 
 I think sysrescd uses GRUB for UEFI booting. I have successfully booted and
 installed UEFI systems from sysrescd, but not 4.4.1. Have yotried another
 version? u

Thanks Neil, I didn't know this.  I managed to complete my installation 
because I had ethernet access to the box, but German (the OP) was not able to.  
Perhaps he should try an older version, or rebuild the sysrescuecd with the 
appropriate Grub options to boot in EFI with the relevant Grub video 
mode/drivers.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-25 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 12:36 PM, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 12:17:19 -0500
 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just tried to boot my Asus MoBo A88XM-PLUS, after I disabled CMS and
 switched Secure Boot to other OS (as opposed to MS Windows), with
 sysrescuecd-4.4.1.

 Unfortunately I can't get a console due to this error:

  error: no suitable mode found.
  Booting in blind mode

 How about booting without Secure Boot?

 I am booting without secure boot and get the same error

I'm sorry. I saw secure boot and assumed that you were trying to
boot from an unsigned kernel.

Your error message above looks like a grub error. Does your grub.cfg
load two efi_something video modules?



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-25 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 1:01 PM, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:

 BTW Todd, does Mint allow to boot only in console mode, i.e. without X and DE?

If Mint uses Ubuntu's ubiquity installer, you can hit F6 then Esc to
get to the kernel cmdline when you're at the screen where you choose
to try or install.



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-25 Thread Mick
On Thursday 25 Dec 2014 09:20:15 Tom H wrote:
 On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 12:36 PM, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 12:17:19 -0500
  
  Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:
  I just tried to boot my Asus MoBo A88XM-PLUS, after I disabled CMS and
  switched Secure Boot to other OS (as opposed to MS Windows), with
  sysrescuecd-4.4.1.
  
  Unfortunately I can't get a console due to this error:
   error: no suitable mode found.
   Booting in blind mode
  
  How about booting without Secure Boot?
  
  I am booting without secure boot and get the same error
 
 I'm sorry. I saw secure boot and assumed that you were trying to
 boot from an unsigned kernel.
 
 Your error message above looks like a grub error. Does your grub.cfg
 load two efi_something video modules?

There is no grub on the PC, and the sysrescue LiveCD uses isolinux from what I 
recall.  For some reason when booting in EFI mode, sysrescueCD can't find a 
suitable mode for my LCD monitor.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-25 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 4:42 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thursday 25 Dec 2014 09:20:15 Tom H wrote:
 On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 12:36 PM, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 12:17:19 -0500
 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just tried to boot my Asus MoBo A88XM-PLUS, after I disabled CMS and
 switched Secure Boot to other OS (as opposed to MS Windows), with
 sysrescuecd-4.4.1.

 Unfortunately I can't get a console due to this error:
 error: no suitable mode found.
 Booting in blind mode

 How about booting without Secure Boot?

 I am booting without secure boot and get the same error

 I'm sorry. I saw secure boot and assumed that you were trying to
 boot from an unsigned kernel.

 Your error message above looks like a grub error. Does your grub.cfg
 load two efi_something video modules?

 There is no grub on the PC, and the sysrescue LiveCD uses isolinux from what I
 recall. For some reason when booting in EFI mode, sysrescueCD can't find a
 suitable mode for my LCD monitor.

I was answering gentger...@gmail.com and I thought that he/she was
booting from an HD.

I've installed Linux a dozen times on efi laptops (Gentoo once). I've
used live CDs on all of these laptops and I've used grub and
efibootmgr for all the installs - and gummiboot for some - and I've
only hit this error once, on an install, because I was messing around
with grub.cfg and didn't load efi_gop.mod and efi_uga.mod. I don't
know how the other boot loaders/managers handle video but AFAIK none
of them have modules so it must be built-in.



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-25 Thread Neil Bothwick
On 25 December 2014 09:42:16 GMT+00:00, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thursday 25 Dec 2014 09:20:15 Tom H wrote:
  On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 12:36 PM, German gentger...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 12:17:19 -0500
   
   Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
   On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   I just tried to boot my Asus MoBo A88XM-PLUS, after I disabled
 CMS and
   switched Secure Boot to other OS (as opposed to MS Windows),
 with
   sysrescuecd-4.4.1.
   
   Unfortunately I can't get a console due to this error:
error: no suitable mode found.
Booting in blind mode
   
   How about booting without Secure Boot?
   
   I am booting without secure boot and get the same error
  
  I'm sorry. I saw secure boot and assumed that you were trying to
  boot from an unsigned kernel.
  
  Your error message above looks like a grub error. Does your grub.cfg
  load two efi_something video modules?
 
 There is no grub on the PC, and the sysrescue LiveCD uses isolinux
 from what I 
 recall.  For some reason when booting in EFI mode, sysrescueCD can't
 find a 
 suitable mode for my LCD monitor.
 
 -- 
 Regards,
 Mick

I think sysrescd uses GRUB for UEFI booting. I have successfully booted and 
installed UEFI systems from sysrescd, but not 4.4.1. Have yotried another 
version? u
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-21 Thread Mick
On Saturday 20 Dec 2014 18:20:44 Mick wrote:
 On Saturday 20 Dec 2014 17:07:47 German wrote:
  Thanks Poison. SystemRescueCD is capable of booting in uefi so I can
  install gen too from it? I have heard good things about it
 
 Yes, this is what I am going to use to attempt to install Gentoo in UEFI.
 
 I have used it for years now to install Gentoo with a conventional BIOS.

I spake too soon!  :-(

I just tried to boot my Asus MoBo A88XM-PLUS, after I disabled CMS and 
switched Secure Boot to other OS (as opposed to MS Windows), with 
sysrescuecd-4.4.1.

Unfortunately I can't get a console due to this error:

 error: no suitable mode found.
 Booting in blind mode


Any idea how to progress from here?  Is it possible with sysrescuecd?

-- 
Regards,
Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-21 Thread German
On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 11:30:49 +
Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Saturday 20 Dec 2014 18:20:44 Mick wrote:
  On Saturday 20 Dec 2014 17:07:47 German wrote:
   Thanks Poison. SystemRescueCD is capable of booting in uefi so I can
   install gen too from it? I have heard good things about it
  
  Yes, this is what I am going to use to attempt to install Gentoo in UEFI.
  
  I have used it for years now to install Gentoo with a conventional BIOS.
 
 I spake too soon!  :-(
 
 I just tried to boot my Asus MoBo A88XM-PLUS, after I disabled CMS and 
 switched Secure Boot to other OS (as opposed to MS Windows), with 
 sysrescuecd-4.4.1.
 
 Unfortunately I can't get a console due to this error:
 
  error: no suitable mode found.
  Booting in blind mode
 
 
 Any idea how to progress from here?  Is it possible with sysrescuecd?

Mick, you are going right after my steps ( or I go where you go ). Just tried
to boot sysresc 4.4.1 with exactly the same error message. Duh. Looks like many 
people with the same
problem.


 
 -- 
 Regards,
 Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-21 Thread Mick
On Sunday 21 Dec 2014 11:44:04 German wrote:
 On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 11:30:49 +
 
 Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:

  I spake too soon!  :-(
  
  I just tried to boot my Asus MoBo A88XM-PLUS, after I disabled CMS and
  switched Secure Boot to other OS (as opposed to MS Windows), with
  sysrescuecd-4.4.1.
  
  Unfortunately I can't get a console due to this error:
   error: no suitable mode found.
   Booting in blind mode
  
  Any idea how to progress from here?  Is it possible with sysrescuecd?
 
 Mick, you are going right after my steps ( or I go where you go ). Just
 tried to boot sysresc 4.4.1 with exactly the same error message. Duh.
 Looks like many people with the same problem.

OK, this is what I did to progress with the installation.

1. Things that didn't work:

Editing the kernel options for nomodesetting (disable KMS option) did not work

Similarly, specifying forcevesa=1024x768 did not work.

2. What worked:

Typing blind after waiting for a while to make sure the CD had booted up to 
set up the root passwd and then to start sshd, allowed to access the PC over 
sshd and commence the installation.  Of course, this will only work if your PC 
is connected to the LAN.  I have no solution at the moment for air-gapped 
machines.

On the keyboard type blind:

passwd root
my_secret_root_passwd
my_secret_root_passwd
/etc/init.d/sshd restart

Then find the IP address of the new PC.  In my case arping and some guessing 
of the next IP that the router would have issued worked, but you can use arp-
scan, nmap, or some such tool, or even check your router's dhcp tables.

Then ssh root@new PC's IP, enter the passwd you set up above and you're good 
to go with the installation, following the hand book and the wiki suggestions 
for UEFI.

HTH.
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Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-21 Thread German
On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 12:00:51 +
Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sunday 21 Dec 2014 11:44:04 German wrote:
  On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 11:30:49 +
  
  Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   I spake too soon!  :-(
   
   I just tried to boot my Asus MoBo A88XM-PLUS, after I disabled CMS and
   switched Secure Boot to other OS (as opposed to MS Windows), with
   sysrescuecd-4.4.1.
   
   Unfortunately I can't get a console due to this error:
error: no suitable mode found.
Booting in blind mode
   
   Any idea how to progress from here?  Is it possible with sysrescuecd?
  
  Mick, you are going right after my steps ( or I go where you go ). Just
  tried to boot sysresc 4.4.1 with exactly the same error message. Duh.
  Looks like many people with the same problem.
 
 OK, this is what I did to progress with the installation.
 
 1. Things that didn't work:
 
 Editing the kernel options for nomodesetting (disable KMS option) did not work
 
 Similarly, specifying forcevesa=1024x768 did not work.
 
 2. What worked:
 
 Typing blind after waiting for a while to make sure the CD had booted up to 
 set up the root passwd and then to start sshd, allowed to access the PC over 
 sshd and commence the installation.  Of course, this will only work if your 
 PC 
 is connected to the LAN.  I have no solution at the moment for air-gapped 
 machines.
 
 On the keyboard type blind:
 
 passwd root
 my_secret_root_passwd
 my_secret_root_passwd
 /etc/init.d/sshd restart
 
 Then find the IP address of the new PC.  In my case arping and some guessing 
 of the next IP that the router would have issued worked, but you can use arp-
 scan, nmap, or some such tool, or even check your router's dhcp tables.
 
 Then ssh root@new PC's IP, enter the passwd you set up above and you're 
 good 
 to go with the installation, following the hand book and the wiki suggestions 
 for UEFI.

Thanks for suggestion, Mick. Unfortunately I am not on a network and that is 
only PC I have at the moment.
Do you know if Knoppix allows UEFI boot?

 
 HTH.
 -- 
 Regards,
 Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-21 Thread Mick
On Sunday 21 Dec 2014 12:31:11 German wrote:

 Thanks for suggestion, Mick. Unfortunately I am not on a network and that
 is only PC I have at the moment. Do you know if Knoppix allows UEFI boot?

I have not used Knoppix for some years now so I don't know if it will work.  
Something else to try, is to type c when the sysrescuecd boot list comes up on 
the screen and then use the grub command line that comes up to type the 
appropriate grub2 commands to boot the LiveCD with.

I have not looked into the GRUB2 commands appropriate for UEFI booting, but 
the grub documentation and Google should help on this occasion.  BTW, if you 
are using a USB stick to boot sysrescue with, you should be able to modify it 
as described on the sysrescue website.  You should be able to include the 
correct grub configuration for EFI booting in it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-21 Thread J. Roeleveld
On 21 December 2014 12:30:49 CET, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday 20 Dec 2014 18:20:44 Mick wrote:
 On Saturday 20 Dec 2014 17:07:47 German wrote:
  Thanks Poison. SystemRescueCD is capable of booting in uefi so I
can
  install gen too from it? I have heard good things about it
 
 Yes, this is what I am going to use to attempt to install Gentoo in
UEFI.
 
 I have used it for years now to install Gentoo with a conventional
BIOS.

I spake too soon!  :-(

I just tried to boot my Asus MoBo A88XM-PLUS, after I disabled CMS and 
switched Secure Boot to other OS (as opposed to MS Windows), with 
sysrescuecd-4.4.1.

Unfortunately I can't get a console due to this error:

 error: no suitable mode found.
 Booting in blind mode


Any idea how to progress from here?  Is it possible with sysrescuecd?

What is CMS?
I think it's a compatibility module.

Without it, only the EFI Console will work.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-21 Thread Todd Goodman
* German gentger...@gmail.com [141221 07:31]:
[..SNIP..]
 Thanks for suggestion, Mick. Unfortunately I am not on a network and that is 
 only PC I have at the moment.
 Do you know if Knoppix allows UEFI boot?

I've used Fedora and Linux Mint install disks for UEFI booting (I don't
know about Knoppix.)

Todd



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-21 Thread German
On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 11:55:06 -0500
Todd Goodman t...@bonedaddy.net wrote:

 * German gentger...@gmail.com [141221 07:31]:
 [..SNIP..]
  Thanks for suggestion, Mick. Unfortunately I am not on a network and that 
  is only PC I have at the moment.
  Do you know if Knoppix allows UEFI boot?
 
 I've used Fedora and Linux Mint install disks for UEFI booting (I don't
 know about Knoppix.)
 
 Todd
 

Good to know. Thanks


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-21 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just tried to boot my Asus MoBo A88XM-PLUS, after I disabled CMS and
 switched Secure Boot to other OS (as opposed to MS Windows), with
 sysrescuecd-4.4.1.

 Unfortunately I can't get a console due to this error:

  error: no suitable mode found.
  Booting in blind mode

How about booting without Secure Boot?



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-21 Thread German
On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 12:17:19 -0500
Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I just tried to boot my Asus MoBo A88XM-PLUS, after I disabled CMS and
  switched Secure Boot to other OS (as opposed to MS Windows), with
  sysrescuecd-4.4.1.
 
  Unfortunately I can't get a console due to this error:
 
   error: no suitable mode found.
   Booting in blind mode
 
 How about booting without Secure Boot?

I am booting without secure boot and get the same error
 


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-21 Thread German
On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 11:55:06 -0500
Todd Goodman t...@bonedaddy.net wrote:

 * German gentger...@gmail.com [141221 07:31]:
 [..SNIP..]
  Thanks for suggestion, Mick. Unfortunately I am not on a network and that 
  is only PC I have at the moment.
  Do you know if Knoppix allows UEFI boot?
 
 I've used Fedora and Linux Mint install disks for UEFI booting (I don't
 know about Knoppix.)
 
 Todd
 

BTW Todd, does Mint allow to boot only in console mode, i.e. without X and DE?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-21 Thread Todd Goodman
* German gentger...@gmail.com [141221 13:01]:
 On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 11:55:06 -0500
 Todd Goodman t...@bonedaddy.net wrote:
 
  * German gentger...@gmail.com [141221 07:31]:
  [..SNIP..]
   Thanks for suggestion, Mick. Unfortunately I am not on a network and that 
   is only PC I have at the moment.
   Do you know if Knoppix allows UEFI boot?
  
  I've used Fedora and Linux Mint install disks for UEFI booting (I don't
  know about Knoppix.)
  
  Todd
  
 
 BTW Todd, does Mint allow to boot only in console mode, i.e. without X and DE?
 
 -- 
 German gentger...@gmail.com

I'm sure there's a way to do so but I've always just let it boot all the way
up and then use a terminal.

I usually use a Fedora image if I want UEFI though just out of habit.

Todd



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-20 Thread Mick
On Saturday 20 Dec 2014 05:28:49 Tomas Mozes wrote:
 On 2014-12-20 00:57, German wrote:
  Just a follow up to my original question. I've installed grub on
  /dev/SDA literally following the quide. And I just realized why I made
  /dev/sda1 partition obviously designed for grub? Should I have been
  install grub into /dev/sda1? I also have uefi system and I think it
  matters. Thanks everyone for clarifications
  
  German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
  Is anyone can advice on where to dig. It seems that grub isn't
  installed because I can't access it pressing ESC key and I return to
  bios. During installation there were no errors reported, the system
  installed grub just fine. Also grub.cfg found all my kernels and
  ramdisks? Thanks for any suggestion. What would you do?
 
 If you have your /dev/sda only for Gentoo, you would install grub into
 /dev/sda and have /dev/sda1 for /boot, for example:
 /dev/sda1: /boot
 /dev/sda2: /
 
 The bios will load grub from mbr of /dev/sda and since you specify that
 grub can find it's stuff on /dev/sda1 (root), it can continue to find
 the kernel, etc.. Once found, it can load the kernel and mount root,
 because it's the kernel parameter.
 
 For example:
 root(hd0,0)
 setup (hd0)
 
 Check out
 http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/legacy/grub.html#Installing-GRUB-na
 tively
 
 Or for grub2:
 http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2
 https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Installation/Bootloader
 http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB
 http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2_Quick_Start
 
 You can also have your /boot and / on the same partition.

All of this is good advice, but ONLY IF the MoBo has been configured to boot 
in CMS/Legacy_BIOS mode.  Otherwise, UEFI will bail out at boot time because 
it does neither read, nor use the MBR bootloader.

Depending on the boot options provided by the motherboard, the hard drive can 
be configured to boot in legacy-BIOS using an MBR, in UEFI mode using an ESP 
partition, or both depending on the BIOS selection at boot time.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-20 Thread German
That's where I think the problem lies Mick. My system is uefi. Too bad that gen 
too officially doesn't support it. I just wish gentoo developers take a closer 
look at the issue and come out with uefi capable minimal installation CD and 
clear uefi installation documentation

Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday 20 Dec 2014 05:28:49 Tomas Mozes wrote:
 On 2014-12-20 00:57, German wrote:
  Just a follow up to my original question. I've installed grub on
  /dev/SDA literally following the quide. And I just realized why I made
  /dev/sda1 partition obviously designed for grub? Should I have been
  install grub into /dev/sda1? I also have uefi system and I think it
  matters. Thanks everyone for clarifications
  
  German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
  Is anyone can advice on where to dig. It seems that grub isn't
  installed because I can't access it pressing ESC key and I return to
  bios. During installation there were no errors reported, the system
  installed grub just fine. Also grub.cfg found all my kernels and
  ramdisks? Thanks for any suggestion. What would you do?
 
 If you have your /dev/sda only for Gentoo, you would install grub into
 /dev/sda and have /dev/sda1 for /boot, for example:
 /dev/sda1: /boot
 /dev/sda2: /
 
 The bios will load grub from mbr of /dev/sda and since you specify that
 grub can find it's stuff on /dev/sda1 (root), it can continue to find
 the kernel, etc.. Once found, it can load the kernel and mount root,
 because it's the kernel parameter.
 
 For example:
 root(hd0,0)
 setup (hd0)
 
 Check out
 http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/legacy/grub.html#Installing-GRUB-na
 tively
 
 Or for grub2:
 http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2
 https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Installation/Bootloader
 http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB
 http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2_Quick_Start
 
 You can also have your /boot and / on the same partition.

All of this is good advice, but ONLY IF the MoBo has been configured to boot 
in CMS/Legacy_BIOS mode.  Otherwise, UEFI will bail out at boot time because 
it does neither read, nor use the MBR bootloader.

Depending on the boot options provided by the motherboard, the hard drive can 
be configured to boot in legacy-BIOS using an MBR, in UEFI mode using an ESP 
partition, or both depending on the BIOS selection at boot time.

-- 
Regards,
Mick


Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-20 Thread Poison BL.
On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 10:34 AM, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
 That's where I think the problem lies Mick. My system is uefi. Too bad that 
 gen too officially doesn't support it. I just wish gentoo developers take a 
 closer look at the issue and come out with uefi capable minimal installation 
 CD and clear uefi installation documentation

Well, while it's not covered in the official side of the install docs,
this wiki page was how I handled my system when I first ended up with
a UEFI laptop here (Win8 didn't even make it 12hrs for me ;) --

http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/UEFI_Gentoo_Quick_Install_Guide

It only has one minor issue, and that's the lack of mentioning first
and foremost that, to configure UEFI, you have to be UEFI booted
already (it does get around to noting it about the halfway mark). Any
UEFI compatible linux livecd/usb will work, though.

-- 
Poison [BLX]
Joshua M. Murphy



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-20 Thread Dale
German wrote:
 That's where I think the problem lies Mick. My system is uefi. Too bad that 
 gen too officially doesn't support it. I just wish gentoo developers take a 
 closer look at the issue and come out with uefi capable minimal installation 
 CD and clear uefi installation documentation



Does this help:

http://wiki.gentoo.org/index.php?search=uefititle=Special%3ASearchgo=Go

I see a couple links there about it.  I'm pretty sure that the docs are
moving to the wiki.  Don't forget to search there for docs too. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-20 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 10:34 AM, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's where I think the problem lies Mick. My system is uefi. Too bad that
 gen too officially doesn't support it. I just wish gentoo developers take a 
 closer
 look at the issue and come out with uefi capable minimal installation CD and
 clear uefi installation documentation

http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/UEFI_Gentoo_Quick_Install_Guide



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-20 Thread German
Thanks Poison. SystemRescueCD is capable of booting in uefi so I can install 
gen too from it? I have heard good things about it

Poison BL. poiso...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 10:34 AM, German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
 That's where I think the problem lies Mick. My system is uefi. Too bad that 
 gen too officially doesn't support it. I just wish gentoo developers take a 
 closer look at the issue and come out with uefi capable minimal installation 
 CD and clear uefi installation documentation

Well, while it's not covered in the official side of the install docs,
this wiki page was how I handled my system when I first ended up with
a UEFI laptop here (Win8 didn't even make it 12hrs for me ;) --

http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/UEFI_Gentoo_Quick_Install_Guide

It only has one minor issue, and that's the lack of mentioning first
and foremost that, to configure UEFI, you have to be UEFI booted
already (it does get around to noting it about the halfway mark). Any
UEFI compatible linux livecd/usb will work, though.

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Joshua M. Murphy



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-20 Thread Mick
On Saturday 20 Dec 2014 17:07:47 German wrote:
 Thanks Poison. SystemRescueCD is capable of booting in uefi so I can
 install gen too from it? I have heard good things about it

Yes, this is what I am going to use to attempt to install Gentoo in UEFI.

I have used it for years now to install Gentoo with a conventional BIOS.

PS. Can you please avoid top-posting in this mailing list.  It breaks the 
logical question  answer of the thread.

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Regards,
Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-20 Thread German
Sorry Mick. I am on android tablet and have no clue how to modify message body

Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday 20 Dec 2014 17:07:47 German wrote:
 Thanks Poison. SystemRescueCD is capable of booting in uefi so I can
 install gen too from it? I have heard good things about it

Yes, this is what I am going to use to attempt to install Gentoo in UEFI.

I have used it for years now to install Gentoo with a conventional BIOS.

PS. Can you please avoid top-posting in this mailing list.  It breaks the 
logical question  answer of the thread.

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Regards,
Mick


Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-20 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 09:40:26PM +0400, German wrote:
 Sorry Mick. I am on android tablet and have no clue how to modify message body

By using a proper e-mail client¹. *SCNR* Though I’d like to believe that even
the standard Android client should be able to not break message threads.

PS.: Our distro is called “Gentoo”, not “gen too”. It’s a cute kind of penguin.²

¹ K-9 comes to mind. Even though it displays the reply below when replying, it
  sends the mail with the reply below the quote if the relevant option is set.
² http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_penguin

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[gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-19 Thread German
Just a follow up to my original question. I've installed grub on /dev/SDA 
literally following the quide. And I just realized why I made /dev/sda1 
partition obviously designed for grub? Should I have been install grub into 
/dev/sda1? I also have uefi system and I think it matters. Thanks everyone for 
clarifications

German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:

Is anyone can advice on where to dig. It seems that grub isn't installed 
because I can't access it pressing ESC key and I return to bios. During 
installation there were no errors reported, the system installed grub just 
fine. Also grub.cfg found all my kernels and ramdisks? Thanks for any 
suggestion. What would you do?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-19 Thread wabenbau
Am Samstag, 20.12.2014 um 03:57
schrieb German gentger...@gmail.com:

 Just a follow up to my original question. I've installed grub
 on /dev/SDA literally following the quide. And I just realized why I

I think the MBR of your first drive (/dev/sda) is usually the right
place for grub if you only have one OS (gentoo) installed. 

 made /dev/sda1 partition obviously designed for grub? Should I have
 been install grub into /dev/sda1? I also have uefi system and I think
 it matters. Thanks everyone for clarifications

You really should share more information.

What version of grub do you have installed?
How do you have it installed (commands and parameters).
And of course you should post the config file.

How many drives do you have you attached to your computer? Sometimes a
connected USB-Stick or eSATA drive confuses the drive order so that
grub can't boot or even has been installed at another place than you
intended.

I don't have a clue about UEFI and I never used grub2. But I think
someone else could help you in that case, if you give enough infos.

Regards
wabe

 German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Is anyone can advice on where to dig. It seems that grub isn't
 installed because I can't access it pressing ESC key and I return to
 bios. During installation there were no errors reported, the system
 installed grub just fine. Also grub.cfg found all my kernels and
 ramdisks? Thanks for any suggestion. What would you do?



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fresh gen too install - unsuccesful

2014-12-19 Thread Tomas Mozes

On 2014-12-20 00:57, German wrote:

Just a follow up to my original question. I've installed grub on
/dev/SDA literally following the quide. And I just realized why I made
/dev/sda1 partition obviously designed for grub? Should I have been
install grub into /dev/sda1? I also have uefi system and I think it
matters. Thanks everyone for clarifications

German gentger...@gmail.com wrote:

Is anyone can advice on where to dig. It seems that grub isn't 
installed because I can't access it pressing ESC key and I return to 
bios. During installation there were no errors reported, the system 
installed grub just fine. Also grub.cfg found all my kernels and 
ramdisks? Thanks for any suggestion. What would you do?


If you have your /dev/sda only for Gentoo, you would install grub into 
/dev/sda and have /dev/sda1 for /boot, for example:

/dev/sda1: /boot
/dev/sda2: /

The bios will load grub from mbr of /dev/sda and since you specify that 
grub can find it's stuff on /dev/sda1 (root), it can continue to find 
the kernel, etc.. Once found, it can load the kernel and mount root, 
because it's the kernel parameter.


For example:
root(hd0,0)
setup (hd0)

Check out 
http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/legacy/grub.html#Installing-GRUB-natively


Or for grub2:
http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Installation/Bootloader
http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB
http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2_Quick_Start

You can also have your /boot and / on the same partition.