Re: [gentoo-user] dev-util/autotoolset
On 10/05/2010 10:01 AM, BRM wrote: - Original Message From: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Cc: dhk dhk...@optonline.net Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 7:34:02 AM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] dev-util/autotoolset Apparently, though unproven, at 12:33 on Tuesday 05 October 2010, dhk did opine thusly: On 10/05/2010 05:28 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 10:25 on Tuesday 05 October 2010, dhk did opine thusly: What should I do about dev-util/autotoolset? I use it every day for a project, but today it looks like I'm being told to remove it. What is the alternative? In my package.keywords file I have dev-util/autotoolset ~amd64 unmasked since I use autotools for a project. After the output of emerge -uDNp world this morning the following message is displayed. !!! The following installed packages are masked: - dev-util/autotoolset-0.11.4-r1 (masked by: package.mask) /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask: # Diego E. Pettenò flamee...@gentoo.org (04 Oct 2010) # on behalf of QA team # # Ironically, it is misusing autotools (bug #255831). It was # added in 2004 and never version bumped since; autotools # have since evolved a fair amount, while this is based # still on automake 1.6. Avoid keeping it around. # # Removal on 2010-12-03 For more information, see the MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook. As stated above, what should I Avoid keeping it around? Is it autotoolset, automake 1.6, ...? Also, what's getting removed on 2010-12-03? If autotoolset is removed, what should be used to build projects? The text applies to autotoolset and the reason it is being removed. It is autotoolset that is not being kept around anymore. It's actually quite obvious once you calm down, get over your fright, and read the message. You do not need autotoolset to build projects. You need autotools which is not the same thing. Even though I have autotoolset installed, search shows it as being masked. # emerge --search autotoolset Searching... [ Results for search key : autotoolset ] [ Applications found : 1 ] * dev-util/autotoolset [ Masked ] Latest version available: 0.11.4-r1 Latest version installed: 0.11.4-r1 Size of files: 1,133 kB Homepage: http://autotoolset.sourceforge.net/ Description: colection of small tools to simplify project development with autotools License: GPL-2 What to do now? Why are you worried? You use autotools not autotoolset. Let the thing be removed, After 6 years of no updates you shouldn't be using it anyway. So are you saying if I remove autotoolset that I'll still have autoconf, automake, and the rest; and everything will work the same? I thought all the autotools were in autotoolset. I guess I don't know the difference between autotools and autotoolset and what they are made up of. autotools != autotoolset The description from eix that you yourself posted tells you as much. Run equery files autotoolset and see what is in the package. Decide for yourself if you want to keep it and if so move the ebuild to your local overlay where you can maintain it for yourself. Reading over the website it seems almost as if it is a fork of GNU autotools. http://autotoolset.sourceforge.net/ But to the original question - if they do not remain installed then you can always install them individually as well. Ben I thought all the auto tools were in the autotoolset, that's not the case. It looks like the only tool I use in autotoolset is acmkdir. If I remove autotoolset, how can I get acmkdir back? Even though it's not necessary, it's a nice tool for starting a project. Thanks, dhk
Re: [gentoo-user] dev-util/autotoolset
On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 04:01:14AM -0400, dhk wrote: I thought all the auto tools were in the autotoolset, that's not the case. It looks like the only tool I use in autotoolset is acmkdir. If I remove autotoolset, how can I get acmkdir back? Even though it's not necessary, it's a nice tool for starting a project. I have somewhat of a suspicious that `acmkdir' may be just a shell script? (Never used it, so I don't know.) If so then you can just find it on your system and copy it to /usr/local/bin or something like that (it possibly copies the templates from somewhere else, so you will need to find those also). Note that it may make use of deprecated autotool commands, and if not updated, may break in the future. HTH, W -- Willie W. Wong ww...@math.princeton.edu Data aequatione quotcunque fluentes quantitae involvente fluxiones invenire et vice versa ~~~ I. Newton
Re: [gentoo-user] dev-util/autotoolset
On 10/07/2010 05:41 AM, Willie Wong wrote: On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 04:01:14AM -0400, dhk wrote: I thought all the auto tools were in the autotoolset, that's not the case. It looks like the only tool I use in autotoolset is acmkdir. If I remove autotoolset, how can I get acmkdir back? Even though it's not necessary, it's a nice tool for starting a project. I have somewhat of a suspicious that `acmkdir' may be just a shell script? (Never used it, so I don't know.) If so then you can just find it on your system and copy it to /usr/local/bin or something like that (it possibly copies the templates from somewhere else, so you will need to find those also). Note that it may make use of deprecated autotool commands, and if not updated, may break in the future. HTH, W Yes, it is a shell script. It makes the necessary files and directories to get start a project. After running it with a name for your project directory you get something like the following in that directory. AUTHORS configCOPYING m4 README src autom4te.cache configure doc Makefile.am README.in THANKS ChangeLog configure.ac INSTALL NEWS reconf
[gentoo-user] dev-util/autotoolset
What should I do about dev-util/autotoolset? I use it every day for a project, but today it looks like I'm being told to remove it. What is the alternative? In my package.keywords file I have dev-util/autotoolset ~amd64 unmasked since I use autotools for a project. After the output of emerge -uDNp world this morning the following message is displayed. !!! The following installed packages are masked: - dev-util/autotoolset-0.11.4-r1 (masked by: package.mask) /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask: # Diego E. Pettenò flamee...@gentoo.org (04 Oct 2010) # on behalf of QA team # # Ironically, it is misusing autotools (bug #255831). It was # added in 2004 and never version bumped since; autotools # have since evolved a fair amount, while this is based # still on automake 1.6. Avoid keeping it around. # # Removal on 2010-12-03 For more information, see the MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook. As stated above, what should I Avoid keeping it around? Is it autotoolset, automake 1.6, ...? Also, what's getting removed on 2010-12-03? If autotoolset is removed, what should be used to build projects? Even though I have autotoolset installed, search shows it as being masked. # emerge --search autotoolset Searching... [ Results for search key : autotoolset ] [ Applications found : 1 ] * dev-util/autotoolset [ Masked ] Latest version available: 0.11.4-r1 Latest version installed: 0.11.4-r1 Size of files: 1,133 kB Homepage: http://autotoolset.sourceforge.net/ Description: colection of small tools to simplify project development with autotools License: GPL-2 What to do now? Thanks, dhk
Re: [gentoo-user] dev-util/autotoolset
dhk wrote: What should I do about dev-util/autotoolset? I use it every day for a project, but today it looks like I'm being told to remove it. What is the alternative? In my package.keywords file I have dev-util/autotoolset ~amd64 unmasked since I use autotools for a project. After the output of emerge -uDNp world this morning the following message is displayed. !!! The following installed packages are masked: - dev-util/autotoolset-0.11.4-r1 (masked by: package.mask) /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask: # Diego E. Pettenòflamee...@gentoo.org (04 Oct 2010) # on behalf of QA team # # Ironically, it is misusing autotools (bug #255831). It was # added in 2004 and never version bumped since; autotools # have since evolved a fair amount, while this is based # still on automake 1.6. Avoid keeping it around. # # Removal on 2010-12-03 For more information, see the MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook. As stated above, what should I Avoid keeping it around? Is it autotoolset, automake 1.6, ...? Also, what's getting removed on 2010-12-03? If autotoolset is removed, what should be used to build projects? Even though I have autotoolset installed, search shows it as being masked. # emerge --search autotoolset Searching... [ Results for search key : autotoolset ] [ Applications found : 1 ] * dev-util/autotoolset [ Masked ] Latest version available: 0.11.4-r1 Latest version installed: 0.11.4-r1 Size of files: 1,133 kB Homepage: http://autotoolset.sourceforge.net/ Description: colection of small tools to simplify project development with autotools License: GPL-2 What to do now? Thanks, dhk Here are a couple options. Subscribe to -dev and see if you can take over maintaining the package. Then do whatever needs to be done to get it updated and keep it stable. If you can do that, they could let the package stay in the tree. Next option, copy the ebuild to a local overlay and maintain it there. Keep in mind, doing this is about the same as above except it affects just you. You do all the work locally. One other option, use different tools to do your project. I don't know anything about autotoolset or what it does but there may be better tools to use. If you don't do one of the above, autotoolses ebuild will be removed and you will eventually have to do something because there will be no more updates. Which appears to be the case now anyway. No updates since 2004. There's some options. Someone else may have a couple more. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] dev-util/autotoolset
Apparently, though unproven, at 10:25 on Tuesday 05 October 2010, dhk did opine thusly: What should I do about dev-util/autotoolset? I use it every day for a project, but today it looks like I'm being told to remove it. What is the alternative? In my package.keywords file I have dev-util/autotoolset ~amd64 unmasked since I use autotools for a project. After the output of emerge -uDNp world this morning the following message is displayed. !!! The following installed packages are masked: - dev-util/autotoolset-0.11.4-r1 (masked by: package.mask) /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask: # Diego E. Pettenò flamee...@gentoo.org (04 Oct 2010) # on behalf of QA team # # Ironically, it is misusing autotools (bug #255831). It was # added in 2004 and never version bumped since; autotools # have since evolved a fair amount, while this is based # still on automake 1.6. Avoid keeping it around. # # Removal on 2010-12-03 For more information, see the MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook. As stated above, what should I Avoid keeping it around? Is it autotoolset, automake 1.6, ...? Also, what's getting removed on 2010-12-03? If autotoolset is removed, what should be used to build projects? The text applies to autotoolset and the reason it is being removed. It is autotoolset that is not being kept around anymore. It's actually quite obvious once you calm down, get over your fright, and read the message. You do not need autotoolset to build projects. You need autotools which is not the same thing. Even though I have autotoolset installed, search shows it as being masked. # emerge --search autotoolset Searching... [ Results for search key : autotoolset ] [ Applications found : 1 ] * dev-util/autotoolset [ Masked ] Latest version available: 0.11.4-r1 Latest version installed: 0.11.4-r1 Size of files: 1,133 kB Homepage: http://autotoolset.sourceforge.net/ Description: colection of small tools to simplify project development with autotools License: GPL-2 What to do now? Why are you worried? You use autotools not autotoolset. Let the thing be removed, After 6 years of no updates you shouldn't be using it anyway. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] dev-util/autotoolset
On 10/05/2010 04:44 AM, Dale wrote: dhk wrote: What should I do about dev-util/autotoolset? I use it every day for a project, but today it looks like I'm being told to remove it. What is the alternative? In my package.keywords file I have dev-util/autotoolset ~amd64 unmasked since I use autotools for a project. After the output of emerge -uDNp world this morning the following message is displayed. !!! The following installed packages are masked: - dev-util/autotoolset-0.11.4-r1 (masked by: package.mask) /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask: # Diego E. Pettenòflamee...@gentoo.org (04 Oct 2010) # on behalf of QA team # # Ironically, it is misusing autotools (bug #255831). It was # added in 2004 and never version bumped since; autotools # have since evolved a fair amount, while this is based # still on automake 1.6. Avoid keeping it around. # # Removal on 2010-12-03 For more information, see the MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook. As stated above, what should I Avoid keeping it around? Is it autotoolset, automake 1.6, ...? Also, what's getting removed on 2010-12-03? If autotoolset is removed, what should be used to build projects? Even though I have autotoolset installed, search shows it as being masked. # emerge --search autotoolset Searching... [ Results for search key : autotoolset ] [ Applications found : 1 ] * dev-util/autotoolset [ Masked ] Latest version available: 0.11.4-r1 Latest version installed: 0.11.4-r1 Size of files: 1,133 kB Homepage: http://autotoolset.sourceforge.net/ Description: colection of small tools to simplify project development with autotools License: GPL-2 What to do now? Thanks, dhk Here are a couple options. Subscribe to -dev and see if you can take over maintaining the package. Then do whatever needs to be done to get it updated and keep it stable. If you can do that, they could let the package stay in the tree. Next option, copy the ebuild to a local overlay and maintain it there. Keep in mind, doing this is about the same as above except it affects just you. You do all the work locally. One other option, use different tools to do your project. I don't know anything about autotoolset or what it does but there may be better tools to use. If you don't do one of the above, autotoolses ebuild will be removed and you will eventually have to do something because there will be no more updates. Which appears to be the case now anyway. No updates since 2004. There's some options. Someone else may have a couple more. Dale :-) :-) This isn't good. It sounds like my project is in deep trouble since the whole build and distribution is done with the autotools. Taking over and maintaining the package is an option, but I think it will be gone before I can get up to speed on it. I wonder how many developers out there have an interest in it if it's that antiquated. Personally I think it's a great tool. Anyone know what other tools are being used to build and distribute programs with dependencies? Thanks, dhk
Re: [gentoo-user] dev-util/autotoolset
On 10/05/2010 05:28 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 10:25 on Tuesday 05 October 2010, dhk did opine thusly: What should I do about dev-util/autotoolset? I use it every day for a project, but today it looks like I'm being told to remove it. What is the alternative? In my package.keywords file I have dev-util/autotoolset ~amd64 unmasked since I use autotools for a project. After the output of emerge -uDNp world this morning the following message is displayed. !!! The following installed packages are masked: - dev-util/autotoolset-0.11.4-r1 (masked by: package.mask) /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask: # Diego E. Pettenò flamee...@gentoo.org (04 Oct 2010) # on behalf of QA team # # Ironically, it is misusing autotools (bug #255831). It was # added in 2004 and never version bumped since; autotools # have since evolved a fair amount, while this is based # still on automake 1.6. Avoid keeping it around. # # Removal on 2010-12-03 For more information, see the MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook. As stated above, what should I Avoid keeping it around? Is it autotoolset, automake 1.6, ...? Also, what's getting removed on 2010-12-03? If autotoolset is removed, what should be used to build projects? The text applies to autotoolset and the reason it is being removed. It is autotoolset that is not being kept around anymore. It's actually quite obvious once you calm down, get over your fright, and read the message. You do not need autotoolset to build projects. You need autotools which is not the same thing. Even though I have autotoolset installed, search shows it as being masked. # emerge --search autotoolset Searching... [ Results for search key : autotoolset ] [ Applications found : 1 ] * dev-util/autotoolset [ Masked ] Latest version available: 0.11.4-r1 Latest version installed: 0.11.4-r1 Size of files: 1,133 kB Homepage: http://autotoolset.sourceforge.net/ Description: colection of small tools to simplify project development with autotools License: GPL-2 What to do now? Why are you worried? You use autotools not autotoolset. Let the thing be removed, After 6 years of no updates you shouldn't be using it anyway. So are you saying if I remove autotoolset that I'll still have autoconf, automake, and the rest; and everything will work the same? I thought all the autotools were in autotoolset. I guess I don't know the difference between autotools and autotoolset and what they are made up of.
Re: [gentoo-user] dev-util/autotoolset
Apparently, though unproven, at 12:33 on Tuesday 05 October 2010, dhk did opine thusly: On 10/05/2010 05:28 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 10:25 on Tuesday 05 October 2010, dhk did opine thusly: What should I do about dev-util/autotoolset? I use it every day for a project, but today it looks like I'm being told to remove it. What is the alternative? In my package.keywords file I have dev-util/autotoolset ~amd64 unmasked since I use autotools for a project. After the output of emerge -uDNp world this morning the following message is displayed. !!! The following installed packages are masked: - dev-util/autotoolset-0.11.4-r1 (masked by: package.mask) /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask: # Diego E. Pettenò flamee...@gentoo.org (04 Oct 2010) # on behalf of QA team # # Ironically, it is misusing autotools (bug #255831). It was # added in 2004 and never version bumped since; autotools # have since evolved a fair amount, while this is based # still on automake 1.6. Avoid keeping it around. # # Removal on 2010-12-03 For more information, see the MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook. As stated above, what should I Avoid keeping it around? Is it autotoolset, automake 1.6, ...? Also, what's getting removed on 2010-12-03? If autotoolset is removed, what should be used to build projects? The text applies to autotoolset and the reason it is being removed. It is autotoolset that is not being kept around anymore. It's actually quite obvious once you calm down, get over your fright, and read the message. You do not need autotoolset to build projects. You need autotools which is not the same thing. Even though I have autotoolset installed, search shows it as being masked. # emerge --search autotoolset Searching... [ Results for search key : autotoolset ] [ Applications found : 1 ] * dev-util/autotoolset [ Masked ] Latest version available: 0.11.4-r1 Latest version installed: 0.11.4-r1 Size of files: 1,133 kB Homepage: http://autotoolset.sourceforge.net/ Description: colection of small tools to simplify project development with autotools License: GPL-2 What to do now? Why are you worried? You use autotools not autotoolset. Let the thing be removed, After 6 years of no updates you shouldn't be using it anyway. So are you saying if I remove autotoolset that I'll still have autoconf, automake, and the rest; and everything will work the same? I thought all the autotools were in autotoolset. I guess I don't know the difference between autotools and autotoolset and what they are made up of. autotools != autotoolset The description from eix that you yourself posted tells you as much. Run equery files autotoolset and see what is in the package. Decide for yourself if you want to keep it and if so move the ebuild to your local overlay where you can maintain it for yourself. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] dev-util/autotoolset
- Original Message From: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Cc: dhk dhk...@optonline.net Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 7:34:02 AM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] dev-util/autotoolset Apparently, though unproven, at 12:33 on Tuesday 05 October 2010, dhk did opine thusly: On 10/05/2010 05:28 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 10:25 on Tuesday 05 October 2010, dhk did opine thusly: What should I do about dev-util/autotoolset? I use it every day for a project, but today it looks like I'm being told to remove it. What is the alternative? In my package.keywords file I have dev-util/autotoolset ~amd64 unmasked since I use autotools for a project. After the output of emerge -uDNp world this morning the following message is displayed. !!! The following installed packages are masked: - dev-util/autotoolset-0.11.4-r1 (masked by: package.mask) /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask: # Diego E. Pettenò flamee...@gentoo.org (04 Oct 2010) # on behalf of QA team # # Ironically, it is misusing autotools (bug #255831). It was # added in 2004 and never version bumped since; autotools # have since evolved a fair amount, while this is based # still on automake 1.6. Avoid keeping it around. # # Removal on 2010-12-03 For more information, see the MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook. As stated above, what should I Avoid keeping it around? Is it autotoolset, automake 1.6, ...? Also, what's getting removed on 2010-12-03? If autotoolset is removed, what should be used to build projects? The text applies to autotoolset and the reason it is being removed. It is autotoolset that is not being kept around anymore. It's actually quite obvious once you calm down, get over your fright, and read the message. You do not need autotoolset to build projects. You need autotools which is not the same thing. Even though I have autotoolset installed, search shows it as being masked. # emerge --search autotoolset Searching... [ Results for search key : autotoolset ] [ Applications found : 1 ] * dev-util/autotoolset [ Masked ] Latest version available: 0.11.4-r1 Latest version installed: 0.11.4-r1 Size of files: 1,133 kB Homepage: http://autotoolset.sourceforge.net/ Description: colection of small tools to simplify project development with autotools License: GPL-2 What to do now? Why are you worried? You use autotools not autotoolset. Let the thing be removed, After 6 years of no updates you shouldn't be using it anyway. So are you saying if I remove autotoolset that I'll still have autoconf, automake, and the rest; and everything will work the same? I thought all the autotools were in autotoolset. I guess I don't know the difference between autotools and autotoolset and what they are made up of. autotools != autotoolset The description from eix that you yourself posted tells you as much. Run equery files autotoolset and see what is in the package. Decide for yourself if you want to keep it and if so move the ebuild to your local overlay where you can maintain it for yourself. Reading over the website it seems almost as if it is a fork of GNU autotools. http://autotoolset.sourceforge.net/ But to the original question - if they do not remain installed then you can always install them individually as well. Ben
