Re: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-09 Thread Dave Nebinger
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RE: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-09 Thread Michael Kintzios
> -Original Message- > From: Dave Nebinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 08 September 2005 17:42 > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo > [snip] > It does generate iptable rules, but they are customiz

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-08 Thread Jerry McBride
On Thursday 08 September 2005 01:23 am, James wrote: > gentuxx gmail.com> writes: > > Why not just sit down and read the source? > > I'm sure that's going to happen too. But having a > working machine with iptables/netfilter is like > having a lab-class to go with the > (theory) lecture part of th

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-08 Thread kashani
James wrote: > OK, whatever this means Sorry to offend, but, I did not like having Shorewall or anything else shove down my throat. The title of the email was and is 'iptables example on Gentoo'. It a shame we had to get so heated before folks actually started talking about iptables/netfilt

[gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-08 Thread James
Dave Nebinger joat.com> writes: > Up to now I haven't really wanted to have someone bounced from the list; but > your lack of sensitivity and generally insulting manners make you the first > obvious candidate for such a bouncing. Ok your call, let me know. > Why do you think that iptables

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 16:19:53 + (UTC), James wrote: > > By picking up a bunch of rules from some web site somewhere, you run > > the risk of learning from bad rules (like learning HTML by picking > > apart web sites). If a well known and well used program like > > Shorewall generated bad rules,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-08 Thread Dave Nebinger
OK, good point. But several folks have mentioned that shorewall is not a one-to-one tool for straight iptables/netfilters implementations. It has things that are not part of a raw usage of iptables/netfilters. My goal is to learn as much about iptables/netfilters on a Gentoo X86 firewall, before I

[gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-08 Thread James
Neil Bothwick digimed.co.uk> writes: > So try out some of the standard configurations in Shorewall. Read the > Shorewall scripts to see what they are trying to do then examine the > iptables rules they create to see how it does it. That gives you exactly > what you were asking for, a set of stan

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-08 Thread Rumen Yotov
On Thu, 2005-09-08 at 01:34 +, James wrote: > Bryan Whitehead megahappy.net> writes: > > > > > Wow, that is news to me... I've always just banged out iptables rules and > > then saved them... > > > Got anything to share? Surely a 3 nic firewall { > WAN(single IP), LAN and DMZ, with a web

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 01:23:26 + (UTC), James wrote: > > Why not just sit down and read the source? > > I'm sure that's going to happen too. But having a > working machine with iptables/netfilter is like > having a lab-class to go with the > (theory) lecture part of the class, methinks. So

[gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-07 Thread James
Bryan Whitehead megahappy.net> writes: > > Wow, that is news to me... I've always just banged out iptables rules and > then saved them... Got anything to share? Surely a 3 nic firewall { WAN(single IP), LAN and DMZ, with a web server and eventually 2 dns servers on the DMZ is not really a big

[gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-07 Thread James
gentuxx gmail.com> writes: > Why not just sit down and read the source? I'm sure that's going to happen too. But having a working machine with iptables/netfilter is like having a lab-class to go with the (theory) lecture part of the class, methinks. YMMV. James -- gentoo-user@gentoo.o

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-07 Thread gentuxx
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James wrote: >Dave Nebinger joat.com> writes: > > > > < BIIIG SNIP > > > > >A beautiful woman once asked why she married the mechanic >out of all the numerous suitors beckoning to her. She replied >"because he torn it up on the first night, and h

[gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-07 Thread James
Dave Nebinger joat.com> writes: > I know iptables/netfilter. I've worked through all of the online > documentation, I've read iptables books, I've implemented firewalls using > just iptables. got any scripts/ files to share? > Knowing all of that information, I still suggest using a tool to

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-07 Thread Dave Nebinger
> As far as functionality and rule set development, I don't think there > is that much of a difference between 2.4 and 2.6. I'm sure there are > tons of cool things that go on under the hood that I don't really know > about, but the implementation is basically the same. 2.6 kernels may > offer ne

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-07 Thread Holly Bostick
James schreef: > Holly Bostick planet.nl> writes: > > >> Good morning, this is the general users list. If you want the >> security experts, try > > >> gentoo-security For the discussion of security issues and fixes >> gentoo-hardened For a security hardened version of Gentoo > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-07 Thread gentuxx
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James wrote: >gentuxx gmail.com> writes: > > > >>I think, perhaps, you misunderstood what I was saying. My >>understanding of shorewall was that it was a script (or series of >>scripts) that look for the previously specified config files and do >>"co

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-07 Thread Dave Nebinger
> > That's all I'm going to say in the face of all this needlessly insulting > > behaviour. > > Holly, I have not nor do not intend to insult or constipate anyone. > Sincere apologies. However, I find this very strange that published > rulesets do not exist for iptables/netfilter, for simple and c

[gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-07 Thread James
gentuxx gmail.com> writes: > I think, perhaps, you misunderstood what I was saying. My > understanding of shorewall was that it was a script (or series of > scripts) that look for the previously specified config files and do > "cool stuff" with the information contained in them. I was simply

[gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-07 Thread James
Holly Bostick planet.nl> writes: > Good morning, this is the general users list. If you want the security > experts, try > gentoo-security For the discussion of security issues and fixes > gentoo-hardened For a security hardened version of Gentoo You mean I have to go to this group

[gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-07 Thread James
Rumen Yotov dir.bg> writes: > IMO OpenBSD initial goal was just that - to be very secure even in it's > default install. Haven't seen such claim for Gentoo (plain). Huh? "This release also gives provides two additional x86 LiveCD images, in combination with the minimal and universal InstallCD

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-07 Thread Dave Nebinger
> > > I think it might be important to point out here how Shorewall > > > handles/uses these files. I don't use Shorewall, so I can't really > > > shed light on it. But these config files are really only one side of > > > the mirror. > > Sorry, I HAVE ZERO INTEREST IN A GUI, UNLESS THE RESULTIN

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-07 Thread gentuxx
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James wrote: >Dave Nebinger joat.com> writes: > > >>>I think it might be important to point out here how Shorewall >>>handles/uses these files. I don't use Shorewall, so I can't really >>>shed light on it. But these config files are really only one s

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-07 Thread Holly Bostick
James schreef: > > (Booo) > > > The really sad thing in this whole thread, is nobody > has even mentiond which (kernel) sources to use, what > to disable/enable and why. Is this some sort of deep secret > or is the gentoo community un_caring about those who > simply want to learn about iptable

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-07 Thread Rumen Yotov
Hi, James escreveu: Dave Nebinger joat.com> writes: I think it might be important to point out here how Shorewall handles/uses these files. I don't use Shorewall, so I can't really shed light on it. But these config files are really only one side of the mirror. Sorry, I HAVE ZE

[gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-07 Thread James
Dave Nebinger joat.com> writes: > > I think it might be important to point out here how Shorewall > > handles/uses these files. I don't use Shorewall, so I can't really > > shed light on it. But these config files are really only one side of > > the mirror. Sorry, I HAVE ZERO INTEREST IN A GU

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-07 Thread Dave Nebinger
> I think it might be important to point out here how Shorewall > handles/uses these files. I don't use Shorewall, so I can't really > shed light on it. But these config files are really only one side of > the mirror. Actually these files are typically the only ones you'll need to edit... /etc/

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-06 Thread W.Kenworthy
Also check out monmotha for a good script that should handle this. However, as others have pointed out, home brew firewall scripts, especially with someone who admits they are lost is a recipe for disaster. Pick something like shorewall or monmotha and modify - carefully. There is a very good re

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-06 Thread gentuxx
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dave Nebinger wrote: >>If shorewall is so easy, then just email >>to me the config files for a 3 nic network, with DMZ based web server, >>and only internally (LAN) initiated connections allowed, in the form >>of config files, OK? > > >Sure, there's 5

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-06 Thread Dave Nebinger
> It's not a parade, it's what old-timers do, it's how I learn. I started that way too (being an old-timer myself ;-) However after consuming info available on the net and buying/reading an iptables book, I quickly came to realize that it's quite easy to shoot yourself in the foot with iptables.

[gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-06 Thread James
Dave Nebinger joat.com> writes: > > > If shorewall is so easy, then just email > > to me the config files for a 3 nic network, with DMZ based web server, > > and only internally (LAN) initiated connections allowed, in the form > > of config files, OK? > > Sure, there's 5 files you'd need to set

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-06 Thread Dave Nebinger
> If shorewall is so easy, then just email > to me the config files for a 3 nic network, with DMZ based web server, > and only internally (LAN) initiated connections allowed, in the form > of config files, OK? Sure, there's 5 files you'd need to set up and, as per your request, it is limited to we

[gentoo-user] Re: iptables example on Gentoo

2005-09-06 Thread James
Holly Bostick planet.nl> writes: > If you're trying to learn, James, there is something to be said for > Dave's position; it's not as if the config files are going to disappear > just because you used shorewall to write them with correct settings. Following this example, I've had no problems, o