Matt Randolph schreef:
Holly Bostick wrote:
Matt Randolph schreef:
I don't think Knoppix really has an administrator. It really is
an enduser only flavour of Linux. It's sort of a fire and
forget distro. Sure, someone had to go to a lot of trouble to
get it set up just right in
On 9/6/05, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
SNIP
The solution would seem to be to either not make the software available
until it has been sufficiently tested so that it does JustWork under
all possible
conditions (which the trained greed of users will not allow), or teach
the user
Holly Bostick wrote:
Matt Randolph schreef:
But does the Knoppix user's system have an administrator NOW? I say
it does not. It has been configured by an admin... heck, the OS was
installed to it's filesystem by an admin... but there is no admin
looking over the shoulder of the Knoppix
Matt Randolph wrote:
Mr. Lee's problem is not that he cannot send email. It is that he
cannot send email by the method he has chosen to use because he hasn't
the knowledge necessary to make that method work. I assume he could
probably resort to webmail in a pinch.
If his distribution had
On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 02:11:51PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote
My 'disagreement', if there is one, is that a savings of $300 for a
new computer and a $99 Windows upgrade won't convince many people to
learn to do it themselves using Linux. It takes a much stronger reason
than that, at least in my
On 9/6/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 02:11:51PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote
My 'disagreement', if there is one, is that a savings of $300 for a
new computer and a $99 Windows upgrade won't convince many people to
learn to do it themselves using Linux.
On Sep 6, 2005, at 8:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 02:11:51PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote
My 'disagreement', if there is one, is that a savings of $300 for a
new computer and a $99 Windows upgrade won't convince many people to
learn to do it themselves using Linux. It
Matt Randolph schreef:
[I just thought I'd chip in my two cents on the question of whether
Linux is easy or hard. It's turned into more like my $11.62, so it's
a good thing it's broken into sections.]
Linux is easy.
snip of Matt's tour-de-force, virtually all of which I agree with,
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Who was is said the only truly intuitive user interface is the tit?
Somebody who never had children: babies and moms have to _learn_ how
to nurse, and sometimes aren't able to pull it off.
john.
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genehack.org * weblog == ( bioinfo / linux /
Holly Bostick wrote:
Matt Randolph schreef:
[I just thought I'd chip in my two cents on the question of whether
Linux is easy or hard. It's turned into more like my $11.62, so it's
a good thing it's broken into sections.]
Linux is easy.
snip of Matt's tour-de-force, virtually all
Matt Randolph schreef:
Holly Bostick wrote:
In the Windows world, you don't have to ask yourself is this
software available for my OS? In the Windows world, you buy the
hardware first and then check to see if it's compatible AFTER
you start having trouble getting it to work in your
Holly Bostick wrote:
Matt Randolph schreef:
I don't think Knoppix really has an administrator. It really is an
enduser only flavour of Linux. It's sort of a fire and forget
distro. Sure, someone had to go to a lot of trouble to get it set up
just right in the first place, but once that
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 23:46:02 -0400
Paul Hoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Bob,
I found your email really informative and I have a question regarding
one of your final comments. To paraphrase, you state that doing
things the hard way will make employees more knowledgeable, more so
than
Mark Knecht schreef:
To become a Linux user is a commitment. People don't make new
commitments lightly, and making a light commitment to Linux is doomed
to failure. It's far too hard to use.
This is a common 'perception', and yet again I have to object to it,
because it's *wrong* (not for
On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 09:15:26AM -0400, Thomas Kirchner wrote:
This can be a bit daunting, though, so when I was setting it up I
found a fairly good base (taviso's, I believe) and customized the
heck out of it. Now it's perfect for me, and I just can't get rid
of it. I've tried pretty much
050904 Matt Garman wrote:
I did a search for taviso and found his fvwm2rc file:
http://dev.gentoo.org/~taviso/fvwm2rc.html
There's also a lot of screenshots (and even a video!) of that desktop.
The video is astonishing ! Fvwm2 looks like great fun, if you have the time.
--
On 04 September 2005 11:41, Holly Bostick wrote:
I've tried to stay away from this thread but can't resist any more. ;-)
[ snip a lot of Holly's rant I mostly agree with ]
This is why I can't deal with all the people I encounter who suggest
that 'it' should 'JustWork' without need for
On 9/4/05, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 15:56:34 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
In general I'll have to take the unpopular position and say I
disagree. All those potential converts are just like you - They don't
run desktops they run apps - and because they are so
Uwe Thiem schreef:
On 04 September 2005 11:41, Holly Bostick wrote:
I've tried to stay away from this thread but can't resist any more.
;-)
[ snip a lot of Holly's rant I mostly agree with ]
This is why I can't deal with all the people I encounter who
suggest that 'it' should
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:02:30 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
You're confusing using with administering. Yes, administering a Linux
system takes more knowledge than clicking a few buttons in Windows,
but using a correctly setup system is no harder with Linux, even
Gentoo, than Windows. My partner
On 9/4/05, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But to use it you have to set it up, right? ;-)
Wrong. someone has to set it up, but it doesn't have to be the user.
Surely...
I'm not confusing administering a system with using a system.
Although my skill set is permanantly
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 14:11:51 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
See, you are the admin, your wife etc. are users. they don't care
about the ins and outs of the system, only what they can do with it.
Fine, but going back to the only thing in the thread that got me
involved (why do I get involved? )
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 00:56:56 +0100
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fair comment. If you're talking about individual user/admins then the
learning curve of installing and administering a different OS (not
necessarily more difficult, just different) is a serious obstacle.
Based on my
On Sep 4, 2005, at 11:20 PM, Bob Sanders wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 00:56:56 +0100
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fair comment. If you're talking about individual user/admins then the
learning curve of installing and administering a different OS (not
necessarily more difficult, just
[I just thought I'd chip in my two cents on the question of whether
Linux is easy or hard. It's turned into more like my $11.62, so it's a
good thing it's broken into sections.]
Linux is easy.
That's not to say that it can't be hard. Depending on what you're
trying to do, you may have to
On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 11:31:28AM -0400, Charles Marcus wrote
IceWM (with ROXFiler if you want Desktop icons, etc)
lightening fast, easy to configure
Blackbox WM here. This goes back to when my 6-year-old Dell, 450 mhz
PIII, 128 megs of RAM, was still my main machine. The GNOME and KDE
On 9/3/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 11:31:28AM -0400, Charles Marcus wrote
IceWM (with ROXFiler if you want Desktop icons, etc)
lightening fast, easy to configure
Blackbox WM here. This goes back to when my 6-year-old Dell, 450 mhz
PIII, 128
I don't run desktops, I run applications.
In general I'll have to take the unpopular position and say I
disagree. All those potential converts are just like you - They don't
run desktops they run apps - and because they are so entrenched with
dollars already spent on Microsoft Windows,
* On Sep 2 20:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
seems that nobody likes FVWM
Hey, I use FVWM and love it, have for a long time ;) FVWM is small,
ultimately customizable, and can do everything any other WM can do, with
a bit of work. Virtually any dreamable interface is possible with it.
This
IceWM (with ROXFiler if you want Desktop icons, etc)
lightening fast, easy to configure
--
Charles
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