Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FYI: Daily / weekly / monthly cron jobs run twice on DST - non-DST transition

I don't know if this has been suggested yet, but I run cron on UTC, which doesn't do daylight saving time. It's an option in cronie to set the TZ for crontab. I just have to transcode times from local to UTC when setting up the job.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FYI: Daily / weekly / monthly cron jobs run twice on DST - non-DST transition

On Tue, 07 Nov 2017 08:48:22 +, Mick wrote: > Apologies for prolonging this exhaustive and exhausting thread, but > what is the Gentoo suggested cron application for a non-24-7 desktop > these days? I'm still using sys-process/vixie-cron because I guess > that's what was de rigueur at the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FYI: Daily / weekly / monthly cron jobs run twice on DST - non-DST transition

On Monday, 6 November 2017 23:11:44 GMT Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > > On 2017-11-05 17:17, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> Distros will always have to do integration work, and that is fine. > >> That is the role of a distro. And

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FYI: Daily / weekly / monthly cron jobs run twice on DST - non-DST transition

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2017-11-05 17:17, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> Distros will always have to do integration work, and that is fine. >> That is the role of a distro. And sometimes distros have to roll >> their own tools when they just

[gentoo-user] Re: FYI: Daily / weekly / monthly cron jobs run twice on DST - non-DST transition

On 2017-11-05 17:17, Rich Freeman wrote: > Distros will always have to do integration work, and that is fine. > That is the role of a distro. And sometimes distros have to roll > their own tools when they just aren't available. Once upon a time > service managers fell into that category. Now

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FYI: Daily / weekly / monthly cron jobs run twice on DST - non-DST transition

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2017-11-05 14:22, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> Second, my actual objection is more to sticking wrappers around an >> upstream program just to extend its capabilities, when other software >> is maintained upstream that

[gentoo-user] Re: FYI: Daily / weekly / monthly cron jobs run twice on DST - non-DST transition

On 2017-11-05 21:40, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Agreed again. My desktop cronjobs are all empty and when I had some > they were of the "do this once a week or once a day" variety. I didn't > care when they ran, just that they did every so often What about the synchronization and predictability

[gentoo-user] Re: FYI: Daily / weekly / monthly cron jobs run twice on DST - non-DST transition

On 2017-11-05 14:22, Rich Freeman wrote: > Second, my actual objection is more to sticking wrappers around an > upstream program just to extend its capabilities, when other software > is maintained upstream that already does what you're re-inventing. > When you already have 47 different cron

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FYI: Daily / weekly / monthly cron jobs run twice on DST - non-DST transition

On 05/11/2017 17:11, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 6:43 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> >> There are other schedulers out there that succeed where cron fails (eg >> Control-M, chronos, quartz), but those are all large, bulky, designed >> for big complex

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FYI: Daily / weekly / monthly cron jobs run twice on DST - non-DST transition

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 8:10 AM, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2017-11-05 07:11, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> But, I agree that it makes far more sense to just have desktop users >> use an appropriate cron implementation designed to handle the machine >> being off most of the time

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FYI: Daily / weekly / monthly cron jobs run twice on DST - non-DST transition

On 2017-11-05 18:12, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 05 Nov 2017 17:56:56 +0100, Kai Peter wrote: OT: Seems that since the last update of my MUA the formatting of my mails is broken - at least at reply's. There are extra line breaks. G - if you not do everything by

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FYI: Daily / weekly / monthly cron jobs run twice on DST - non-DST transition

On Sun, 05 Nov 2017 17:56:56 +0100, Kai Peter wrote: > OT: Seems that since the last update of my MUA the formatting of my > > mails is broken - at least at reply's. There are extra line breaks. > > G - if you not do everything by yourself ... ;-) ... at least you have someone else to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FYI: Daily / weekly / monthly cron jobs run twice on DST - non-DST transition

There are other schedulers out there that succeed where cron fails (eg Control-M, chronos, quartz), but those are all large, bulky, designed for big complex installs/requirements and probably not suited for simple things you'd deploy out of a base in portage Long time

[gentoo-user] Re: FYI: Daily / weekly / monthly cron jobs run twice on DST - non-DST transition

On 2017-11-05 07:11, Rich Freeman wrote: > But, I agree that it makes far more sense to just have desktop users > use an appropriate cron implementation designed to handle the machine > being off most of the time vs trying to use shell scripting to make > vixie cron into such an implementation. >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FYI: Daily / weekly / monthly cron jobs run twice on DST - non-DST transition

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 6:43 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > There are other schedulers out there that succeed where cron fails (eg > Control-M, chronos, quartz), but those are all large, bulky, designed > for big complex installs/requirements and probably not suited for

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FYI: Daily / weekly / monthly cron jobs run twice on DST - non-DST transition

On 05/11/2017 16:28, Kai Peter wrote: > > > On 2017-11-04 18:42, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > >> On 2017-11-04 01:39, Kai Peter wrote: > >> > >>> > If you want to run a monthly job on a host that is not always on, do > >>> > you have to pretend it's an hourly job and check in the script > >>> >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FYI: Daily / weekly / monthly cron jobs run twice on DST - non-DST transition

On 2017-11-04 18:42, Ian Zimmerman wrote: On 2017-11-04 01:39, Kai Peter wrote: > If you want to run a monthly job on a host that is not always on, do > you have to pretend it's an hourly job and check in the script > itself? This is a special case to me. IMHO special

[gentoo-user] Re: FYI: Daily / weekly / monthly cron jobs run twice on DST - non-DST transition

On 2017-11-04 01:39, Kai Peter wrote: > > If you want to run a monthly job on a host that is not always on, do > > you have to pretend it's an hourly job and check in the script > > itself? > > This is a special case to me. IMHO special cases have to be handled > special or much better: avoid

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FYI: Daily / weekly / monthly cron jobs run twice on DST - non-DST transition

On 2017-11-03 18:21, Ian Zimmerman wrote: On 2017-11-03 02:53, Kai Peter wrote: 2. the shell script have to do some checks, e.g. the last run - I did wrote a small 'include' script for that Isn't your 'small include script' just another implementation of run-crons? No.

[gentoo-user] Re: FYI: Daily / weekly / monthly cron jobs run twice on DST - non-DST transition

On 2017-11-03 02:53, Kai Peter wrote: > 2. the shell script have to do some checks, e.g. the last run - I did > wrote a small 'include' script for that Isn't your 'small include script' just another implementation of run-crons? If not: how does it handle _missed_ jobs, if at all? If you want

[gentoo-user] Re: FYI: Daily / weekly / monthly cron jobs run twice on DST - non-DST transition

On 2017-11-01 13:42, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > If you build cronie with USE=anacron, I think it also comes with an > "anacron" executable: > > https://github.com/cronie-crond/cronie/blob/master/README.anacron I see, you're quite right. The flag is off here, probably because I built it when I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FYI: Daily / weekly / monthly cron jobs run twice on DST - non-DST transition

On 11/01/2017 12:55 PM, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > > I actually run cronie, and AFAICT it has no built-in anacron-like > offline schedule support If you build cronie with USE=anacron, I think it also comes with an "anacron" executable:

[gentoo-user] Re: FYI: Daily / weekly / monthly cron jobs run twice on DST - non-DST transition

On 2017-11-01 10:25, Marc Joliet wrote: > It's nice that anacron apparently sucks, but what about fcron and > cronie? I've always wondered why people who need these features don't > just one of those. Is there any reason not to? > > (FTR: I used fcron for several years before migrating to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FYI: Daily / weekly / monthly cron jobs run twice on DST - non-DST transition

Am Sonntag, 29. Oktober 2017, 18:59:31 CET schrieb Ian Zimmerman: > On 2017-10-29 09:16, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > Do you need something smarter? Install anacron, fcron, cronie, or > > whatever. But the worst thing we can do is try to mimic those > > intelligent crons and have it fail to do so

[gentoo-user] Re: FYI: Daily / weekly / monthly cron jobs run twice on DST - non-DST transition

On 2017-10-29 09:16, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > Do you need something smarter? Install anacron, fcron, cronie, or > whatever. But the worst thing we can do is try to mimic those > intelligent crons and have it fail to do so randomly. That's still > your best option, by the way: rewrite your

[gentoo-user] Re: FYI: Daily / weekly / monthly cron jobs run twice on DST - non-DST transition

Michael Orlitzky wrote on 2017-10-29 14:16: > And then the real issue: no one knows what our cronbase is doing, and it > does whatever it does all wrong -- but some people are probably relying > on it. My proposal was to make cronbase stupider, with something like > > 9 5 * * * root find