Re: [gentoo-user] Xorg.. twm not starting and terrible performance with fluxbox
Benno Schulenberg wrote: Well, somewhere deep in the BIOS peripheral settings, there are things like Enable AGP Fast Write or similar. Set all those things to Off or Disabled. You wil want stability first, speed maybe later. It probably won't make a difference, but it at least excludes one possible source of problems. Yeah, those were all disabled when I was running Unichrome. I've turned them all on for NVIDIA though. No stability problems. You've said you have an MSI K8M800 motherboard. Looking at http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_list.asp?class=mbcpu=3, such boards only support Sempron 2600+, 2800+, 3000+, 3100+, 3300+, not a 2500+. This may not be a problem, but then again, it might not be listed for a reason. H. Well I checked the motherboard manual when I bought this computer and it says Supports AMD K8 64 bit processors (Socket 754). No sse USE flag? You could try adding it and re-emerging Xorg. Well, 3dnow, mmx and sse are all masked in the amd64 profile anyway... To confirm your exact CPU, 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'. It is an AMD Sempron 2500+ An 'lsmod' on this system under Gentoo. Module Size Used by w83627hf 34984 0 eeprom 8784 0 i2c_sensor 3840 2 w83627hf,eeprom i2c_isa 2816 0 snd_seq_oss36608 0 snd_seq_midi_event 8320 1 snd_seq_oss snd_seq56896 4 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event snd_pcm_oss55712 0 snd_mixer_oss 18880 1 snd_pcm_oss ohci_hcd 21316 0 snd_via82xx29312 4 snd_ac97_codec 91352 1 snd_via82xx snd_pcm97420 5 snd_pcm_oss,snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec snd_timer 25544 3 snd_seq,snd_pcm snd_page_alloc 11144 2 snd_via82xx,snd_pcm snd_mpu401_uart 8320 1 snd_via82xx snd_rawmidi28448 1 snd_mpu401_uart snd_seq_device 10064 3 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi snd60200 16 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device i2c_viapro 9300 0 i2c_core 23704 5 w83627hf,eeprom,i2c_sensor,i2c_isa,i2c_viapro ehci_hcd 31944 0 uhci_hcd 33568 0 8139too28800 0 nvidia 4055676 12 This is the current one. Back with Unichrome, I had via and drm loaded in place of nvidia. Nothing fancy in there I guess. An 'emerge -pv xorg-x11'. [ebuild R ] x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r4 (-3dfx) (-3dnow) +bitmap-fonts -cjk -debug -dlloader -dmx -doc -font-server -insecure-drivers +ipv6 -minimal (-mmx) +nls -nocxx +opengl +pam -sdk (-sse) -static +truetype-fonts +type1-fonts (-uclibc) -xprint +xv 0 kB A 'cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf'. This is errr one of the xorg.conf files used of Unichrome. The other one had dri disabled, that's all... Section ServerLayout Identifier X.org Configured Screen 0 Screen0 0 0 InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard EndSection Section Files RgbPath /usr/lib64/X11/rgb ModulePath /usr/lib64/modules FontPath /usr/share/fonts/misc/ FontPath /usr/share/fonts/TTF/ FontPath /usr/share/fonts/Type1/ FontPath /usr/share/fonts/CID/ FontPath /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/ FontPath /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/ EndSection Section Module Load xtrap Load dbe Load glx Load dri Load extmod Load record Load type1 Load freetype EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Keyboard0 Driver kbd Option XkbModel pc105 Option XkbLayout us EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Mouse0 Driver mouse Option Protocol IMPS/2 Option Device /dev/input/mice Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 # Option Emulate3Buttons yes EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Monitor0 VendorName LG Electronics ModelNameStudioWorks 700i HorizSync30 - 70 VertRefresh 50 - 160 Option dpms EndSection Section Device ### Available Driver options are:- ### Values: i: integer, f: float, bool: True/False, ### string: String, freq: f Hz/kHz/MHz ### [arg]: arg optional #Option ShadowFB # [bool] #Option VGAClocks # [bool] #Option KGAUniversal # [bool] Identifier Videocard0 Driver via VendorName VIA Technologies, Inc. BoardName S3 Unichrome Pro VGA Adapter (rev 01) BusID PCI:1:0:0 Option ForcePCIMode True EndSection Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Videocard0
Re: [gentoo-user] Xorg.. twm not starting and terrible performance with fluxbox
Benno Schulenberg wrote: You've said you have an MSI K8M800 motherboard. Looking at http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_list.asp?class=mbcpu=3, such boards only support Sempron 2600+, 2800+, 3000+, 3100+, 3300+, not a 2500+. This may not be a problem, but then again, it might not be listed for a reason. http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=647 That's the motherboard actually. K8M800-CE is the chipset name from VIA. Mrugesh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xorg.. twm not starting and terrible performance with fluxbox
Benno Schulenberg wrote: Flaky hardware? Timings too fast in the BIOS? What timings? :S Kernel misconfigured? When the vesa driver doesn't give acceptable performance, there is something wrong. You might want to actually answer the questions I asked earlier. I couldn't answer the questions back then due to a number of factors. Anyway, I still can't post the output of lsmod from my FC4 system, as I won't be able to boot into it for another couple of days atleast. Here's something you asked for: CONFIG_AGP=y CONFIG_AGP_AMD64=y # CONFIG_AGP_INTEL is not set CONFIG_DRM=m # CONFIG_DRM_TDFX is not set # CONFIG_DRM_R128 is not set # CONFIG_DRM_RADEON is not set # CONFIG_DRM_MGA is not set # CONFIG_DRM_SIS is not set CONFIG_DRM_VIA=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX=y CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_VIA=y CONFIG_VIA_RHINE=y CONFIG_VIA_RHINE_MMIO=y CONFIG_VIA_VELOCITY=y CONFIG_DRM_VIA=m CONFIG_I2C_VIA=m CONFIG_I2C_VIAPRO=m CONFIG_SENSORS_VIA686A=m Here's emerge --info: Portage 2.0.51.22-r3 (default-linux/amd64/2005.1, gcc-3.4.4, glibc-2.3.5-r2, 2.6.13-gentoo-r5 x86_64) = System uname: 2.6.13-gentoo-r5 x86_64 AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2500+ Gentoo Base System version 1.6.13 ccache version 2.3 [enabled] dev-lang/python: 2.3.5, 2.4.2 sys-apps/sandbox:1.2.12 sys-devel/autoconf: 2.13, 2.59-r6 sys-devel/automake: 1.4_p6, 1.5, 1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.6-r1 sys-devel/binutils: 2.15.92.0.2-r10 sys-devel/libtool: 1.5.20 virtual/os-headers: 2.6.11-r2 ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=amd64 AUTOCLEAN=yes CBUILD=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu CFLAGS=-march=k8 -pipe -O2 CHOST=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu CONFIG_PROTECT=/etc /usr/kde/2/share/config /usr/kde/3.4/env /usr/kde/3.4/share/config /usr/kde/3.4/shutdown /usr/kde/3/share/config /usr/lib/X11/xkb /usr/share/config /var/qmail/control CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK=/etc/gconf /etc/splash /etc/terminfo /etc/env.d CXXFLAGS=-march=k8 -pipe -O2 DISTDIR=/usr/portage/distfiles FEATURES=autoconfig ccache distlocks nostrip sandbox sfperms strict GENTOO_MIRRORS=http://distfiles.gentoo.org http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo; LC_ALL=en_GB.UTF-8 LINGUAS=en_GB MAKEOPTS=-j2 PKGDIR=/usr/portage/packages PORTAGE_TMPDIR=/var/tmp PORTDIR=/usr/portage PORTDIR_OVERLAY=/usr/local/portage SYNC=rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage USE=amd64 X a52 aac acl acpi alsa apache2 arts audiofile avi bash-completion bcmath berkdb bitmap-fonts bluetooth bzip2 cdparanoia cdr crypt curl dbug dbus dio directfb dri dvd dvdr dvdread emboss emul-linux-x86 encode esd exif expat fam fbcon ffmpeg flac foomaticdb fortran ftp gd gif gpm gstreamer gtk2 hal idn imap imlib ipv6 jabber jack jack-tmpfs javascript jpeg kde kerberos krb4 lcms ldap libwww lm_sensors lzw lzw-tiff mad maildir mailwrapper mbox mhash mime mng mp3 mpeg msn musepack mysql ncurses nis nls nptl nptlonly offensive ogg opengl pam pcre pdflib perl php png portaudio posix python qt quicktime readline real samba sdl sndfile snmp spell ssl svg sysvipc tcpd tiff till timidity truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts udev unichrome unicode usb userlocales vcd verbose vorbis xine xml xml2 xpm xsl xslt xv xvid yahoo zlib video_cards_via linguas_en_GB userland_GNU kernel_linux elibc_glibc Unset: ASFLAGS, CTARGET, LANG, LDFLAGS Anything else you'd like to know? Mrugesh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xorg.. twm not starting and terrible performance with fluxbox
Mrugesh Karnik wrote: Benno Schulenberg wrote: Flaky hardware? Timings too fast in the BIOS? What timings? :S Well, somewhere deep in the BIOS peripheral settings, there are things like Enable AGP Fast Write or similar. Set all those things to Off or Disabled. You wil want stability first, speed maybe later. It probably won't make a difference, but it at least excludes one possible source of problems. System uname: 2.6.13-gentoo-r5 x86_64 AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2500+ You've said you have an MSI K8M800 motherboard. Looking at http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_list.asp?class=mbcpu=3, such boards only support Sempron 2600+, 2800+, 3000+, 3100+, 3300+, not a 2500+. This may not be a problem, but then again, it might not be listed for a reason. real samba sdl sndfile snmp spell ssl svg sysvipc tcpd tiff till No sse USE flag? You could try adding it and re-emerging Xorg. Anything else you'd like to know? To confirm your exact CPU, 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'. An 'lsmod' on this system under Gentoo. An 'emerge -pv xorg-x11'. A 'cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf'. And 'grep ^(--\|^(WW\|^(EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log'. Benno -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Xorg.. twm not starting and terrible performance with fluxbox
Well hi again, It took longer than I expected to change the server. Anyway. The VIA Unichrome situation turned out to be a no-go for me. I had to install an NVIDIA GeForce FX5200 on the machine and get X running. I think this whole thread and me compiling various Xorg versions about 8 or 9 times was a waste of time. Because as it turns out, fluxbox, even on the nvidia drivers took ages to open xcalc and such. The only difference was that, the mouse pointer moved properly with nvidia drivers when fluxbox was trying to open xcalc. With vesa, the pointer lagged like hell! Something interesting did happen though. I had that Unknown device in my lspci output for both Gentoo and FC4 when I was on VIA Unichrome. Now after switching to nvidia, I can see a Host Bridge properly identified in its place. I wonder why that would be? I still am confused about one thing though... which exactly is the 2D driver for VIA Unichrome? I apologise to those who wasted their time reading this thread and replying in it.. but I found the problem worth investigating and I am still intrigued by it.. Regards and a sincere thanks, Mrugesh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xorg.. twm not starting and terrible performance with fluxbox
On Thursday 17 Nov 2005 10:55 pm, Mrugesh Karnik wrote: I still am confused about one thing though... which exactly is the 2D driver for VIA Unichrome? Could this be it? http://unichrome.sourceforge.net/ Abhay pgpO6lNw5C6kd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Xorg.. twm not starting and terrible performance with fluxbox
Mrugesh Karnik wrote: Something interesting did happen though. I had that Unknown device in my lspci output for both Gentoo and FC4 when I was on VIA Unichrome. Now after switching to nvidia, I can see a Host Bridge properly identified in its place. I wonder why that would be? Flaky hardware? Timings too fast in the BIOS? I apologise to those who wasted their time reading this thread and replying in it.. but I found the problem worth investigating and I am still intrigued by it.. Kernel misconfigured? When the vesa driver doesn't give acceptable performance, there is something wrong. You might want to actually answer the questions I asked earlier. Benno -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xorg.. twm not starting and terrible performance with fluxbox
Benno Schulenberg wrote: Mrugesh Karnik wrote: Well, the kernel modules have been loaded already... Which ones precisely? See the output of 'lsmod'. Do an 'lsmod' on your FC4 too and compare. That'd be drm and via I noticed one thing, the agpgart option in the kernel is always disabled... !x86_64 says the Help for that option. As it is, I have a PCI card... What PCI card? The Unichrome chip isn't a card. And it does need AGP, via_agp for the 400 chips, amd64_agp for the 800 chips. See the first line of 'lspci' for what chip you have. Hmmm. The first line of lspci is Unknown Device 00:00.0 Host Bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown Device 0204 And this is my graphics card: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technology, Inc. S3 Unichrome Pro VGA Adapter (rev 01) Is the via driver present on your FC4? And if so, have you tried using it there? Maybe it simply doesn't work, by being unable to handle 64 bits? Which drivers exactly? As it is, I'm having problems with 2D performance and am not really concerned about 3D performance. The drm and via modules loaded above are 3D related... Hmmm. Thank you, Mrugesh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xorg.. twm not starting and terrible performance with fluxbox
Mrugesh Karnik wrote: Benno Schulenberg wrote: Which ones precisely? See the output of 'lsmod'. Do an 'lsmod' on your FC4 too and compare. That'd be drm and via Could you post the output of 'lsmod' on your FC4? 00:00.0 Host Bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown Device 0204 Hmm, interesting. What motherboard is this? And this is my graphics card: It's not a card; the chip is integrated on the motherboard. Or isn't it? 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technology, Inc. S3 Unichrome Pro VGA Adapter (rev 01) Okay, that's a 800 chip. You need the amd64_agp module, not the via_agp one. To see what you've configured, please post the output of 'egrep AGP|DRM|VIA /usr/src/linux/.config'. Is the via driver present on your FC4? And if so, have you tried using it there? Maybe it simply doesn't work, by being unable to handle 64 bits? Which drivers exactly? Hrm... read back in the thread: /usr/lib/modules/drivers/via_drv.o. (Or with an X11/ in the path.) It's the Xorg 2D via driver. As it is, I'm having problems with 2D performance and am not really concerned about 3D performance. The drm and via modules loaded above are 3D related... You don't want the via driver for now, use the vesa one. But you were complaining that Gentoo didn't have the Xorg via driver installed, that's why I asked if FC4 did. I guess not, as probably it doesn't work for 64 bits, which is why FC4 uses the vesa driver. To help a bit more: post the output of 'emerge --info'. Benno -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xorg.. twm not starting and terrible performance with fluxbox
Mrugesh Karnik wrote: Well, the kernel modules have been loaded already... Which ones precisely? See the output of 'lsmod'. Do an 'lsmod' on your FC4 too and compare. I noticed one thing, the agpgart option in the kernel is always disabled... !x86_64 says the Help for that option. As it is, I have a PCI card... What PCI card? The Unichrome chip isn't a card. And it does need AGP, via_agp for the 400 chips, amd64_agp for the 800 chips. See the first line of 'lspci' for what chip you have. I just can't understand why the file isn't compiled by xorg. Not to mention, FC4 uses vesa and works perfectly. Is the via driver present on your FC4? And if so, have you tried using it there? Maybe it simply doesn't work, by being unable to handle 64 bits? Benno -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xorg.. twm not starting and terrible performance with fluxbox
Richard Fish wrote: I think we have a failure to communicate here Actually no... The via_drv I am talking about is an _x.org_ driver, not a kernel driver. It has nothing to do with the kernel sources or rebuilding the kernel. It should exist at /usr/lib/modules/drivers/via_drv.o (along with all other X11 drivers). I know! My xorg just doesn't want to compile that file! So what I tried was to enable the VIA drivers in the kernel. It then compiled both drm.ko and via.ko and also via_drv.o, but the via_drv.o never left the /usr/src directory. I don't understand why you don't have this file. The only case this should be missing is if you have USE=minimal. Could you please post the output of emerge -pv xorg-x11? I surely didn't use the minimal flag. The first time I had enabled insecure-drivers and disabled font-server. Then after reading your first email, I tried to compile it with the same USE flags as yours. Once you have this file, then you will need to update your xorg.conf Device section and change the Driver option to via. Already tried that, but of course, no via_drv.o! The kernel has a DRM driver for via, that (if compiled as a module) will be installed under /lib/modules as via.ko. To load that, you will modify /etc/autoload.d/kernel-2.6 to add the line via. However, again, this is only for DRI/DRM support, and will almost certainly require using the X11 via driver, so let's worry about that later! -Richard Well, the kernel modules have been loaded already... I noticed one thing, the agpgart option in the kernel is always disabled... !x86_64 says the Help for that option. As it is, I have a PCI card... I just can't understand why the file isn't compiled by xorg. Not to mention, FC4 uses vesa and works perfectly. I wonder what's going on with Gentoo :( Thanks for your help so far, Mrugesh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xorg.. twm not starting and terrible performance with fluxbox
Mrugesh Karnik schreef: Richard Fish wrote: The via_drv I am talking about is an _x.org_ driver, not a kernel driver. It has nothing to do with the kernel sources or rebuilding the kernel. It should exist at /usr/lib/modules/drivers/via_drv.o (along with all other X11 drivers). I know! My xorg just doesn't want to compile that file! So what I tried was to enable the VIA drivers in the kernel. It then compiled both drm.ko and via.ko and also via_drv.o, but the via_drv.o never left the /usr/src directory. Possibly because you don't have the 'insecure-drivers' USE flag enabled: On 11/10/05, Mrugesh Karnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: carcharias rjf # equery belongs /usr/lib/modules/drivers/via_drv.o [ Searching for file(s) /usr/lib/modules/drivers/via_drv.o in *... ] x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r6 (/usr/lib/modules/drivers/via_drv.o) carcharias rjf # emerge -vp x11-base/xorg-x11 These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r6 -3dfx -3dnow +bitmap-fonts -cjk -debug -dlloader -dmx +doc +font-server -insecure-drivers +ipv6 -minimal +mmx +nls -nocxx +opengl +pam -sdk +sse -static +truetype-fonts +type1-fonts (-uclibc) -xprint +xv 0 kB /usr/portage/profiles/use.local.desc:x11-base/xorg-x11:insecure-drivers - Builds insecure DRI stuff for via, mach64 and savage You might as well try it; you can't be much worse off. I just can't understand why the file isn't compiled by xorg. Not to mention, FC4 uses vesa and works perfectly. I wonder what's going on with Gentoo :( Like most binary distros, the FC RPMs probably enable everything 'enableable'. I have no idea why the drivers are considered 'insecure', but assuming they are (which would not surprise me), it's well within the realm of possibility that they fall under the you have to know what you're doing and decide for yourself' section of the Gentoo design philosopy (which is the major thrust of the Gentoo design philosopy, so that doesn't surprise me either). Why FC 4 would enable them and Gentoo would mark them as insecure well, heck-- FC4 uses GCC 4.0 *by default* as I understand it, and we have it completely masked (and most other distros don't use it either, afaik, certainly not by default yet). So since FC4 seems to want to live even further out on the 'bleeding edge' than we are said to do, again, I'm not surprised that the drivers would be enabled by default, no matter their status in terms of security, completeness, or stability. HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xorg.. twm not starting and terrible performance with fluxbox
Holly Bostick wrote: Possibly because you don't have the 'insecure-drivers' USE flag enabled: I had insecure-drivers enabled the first time I compiled xorg. I think I had disabled it in the subsequent compilations. I found an ebuild with VIA Unichrome USE flag and patches added; in the forums. I'll try that ebuild because it's been reported to have worked. I'll also make sure that I enable insecure-drivers this time! I'll know the results in about an hour and half... Hope it works. Like most binary distros, the FC RPMs probably enable everything 'enableable'. I have no idea why the drivers are considered 'insecure', but assuming they are (which would not surprise me), it's well within the realm of possibility that they fall under the you have to know what you're doing and decide for yourself' section of the Gentoo design philosopy (which is the major thrust of the Gentoo design philosopy, so that doesn't surprise me either). Why FC 4 would enable them and Gentoo would mark them as insecure well, heck-- FC4 uses GCC 4.0 *by default* as I understand it, and we have it completely masked (and most other distros don't use it either, afaik, certainly not by default yet). So since FC4 seems to want to live even further out on the 'bleeding edge' than we are said to do, again, I'm not surprised that the drivers would be enabled by default, no matter their status in terms of security, completeness, or stability. HTH, Holly Hmmm. Well, I love my Gentoo. I can always use the bleeding edge stuff with ~ keywords (As you would already know of course ;))! Anyway, I think Mandriva 2006 also uses GCC 4 by default now. It also comes with xorg 6.8.9*. I read on xorg.freedesktop.org that the new xorg release includes updates from the VIA Unichrome project. I looked into portage and yaay! The VIA drivers package is there.. Only, its -amd64. I am on AMD64. I'm wondering what to do. If all fails, I'll have to buy an NVIDIA AGP card I guess. I love Gentoo too much to remove it just because of this graphics card issue. (Wise choice spending money on an FX5200 just to have Gentoo running??? Well, I can always install UT and say to myself, YES! Wise choice indeed :P ) Regards, Mrugesh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xorg.. twm not starting and terrible performance with fluxbox
On 11/12/05, Mrugesh Karnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what I tried was to enable the VIA drivers in the kernel. It then compiled both drm.ko and via.ko and also via_drv.o, but the via_drv.o never left the /usr/src directory. Which is the exactly correct and expected behavior. I don't understand why you don't have this file. The only case this should be missing is if you have USE=minimal. Could you please post the output of emerge -pv xorg-x11? I surely didn't use the minimal flag. The first time I had enabled insecure-drivers and disabled font-server. Then after reading your first email, I tried to compile it with the same USE flags as yours. Ok, if I am reading the xorg configuration files correctly (which are a bit complex...to say the least), it seems the via driver is disabled by default when compiling for the AMD64 architecture. Not to mention, FC4 uses vesa and works perfectly. I wonder what's going on with Gentoo :( Too many variables to answer that question...kernel versions, kernel configuration, kernel patches, frame buffer options, xorg versions, xorg patches, and so on. You could try to eliminate some of those variables by using the same kernel version .config under both. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xorg.. twm not starting and terrible performance with fluxbox
Richard Fish wrote: Too many variables to answer that question...kernel versions, kernel configuration, kernel patches, frame buffer options, xorg versions, xorg patches, and so on. You could try to eliminate some of those variables by using the same kernel version .config under both. Ay! Great idea! I think I'll get the FC4 kernel sources and the .config file as well! Let's see how it goes! Thanks again! Mrugesh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xorg.. twm not starting and terrible performance with fluxbox
On 11/11/05, Mrugesh Karnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still no luck. I tried compiling VIA Unichrome suppport in the kernel, but the kernel version of via_drv.o doesn't move out of /usr/src. xorg-x11-6.8.2-r6 doesn't compile via_drv.o and my X is performing very badly! I think we have a failure to communicate here The via_drv I am talking about is an _x.org_ driver, not a kernel driver. It has nothing to do with the kernel sources or rebuilding the kernel. It should exist at /usr/lib/modules/drivers/via_drv.o (along with all other X11 drivers). I don't understand why you don't have this file. The only case this should be missing is if you have USE=minimal. Could you please post the output of emerge -pv xorg-x11? Once you have this file, then you will need to update your xorg.conf Device section and change the Driver option to via. The kernel has a DRM driver for via, that (if compiled as a module) will be installed under /lib/modules as via.ko. To load that, you will modify /etc/autoload.d/kernel-2.6 to add the line via. However, again, this is only for DRI/DRM support, and will almost certainly require using the X11 via driver, so let's worry about that later! -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Xorg.. twm not starting and terrible performance with fluxbox
Hi, I just installed Gentoo on an AMD64 Sempron machine. RAM is not a problem.. 1GB of it. I just emerged xorg-x11. The graphics card is VIA Unichrome onboard. I have a perfectly fine working FC4 system. I used the FC4 xorg.conf file. First ran Xorg -configure. Kept all the paths from Gentoo and filled in stuff like mouse, keyboard, monitor and graphics card configuration from the FC4 file. I tested the file with X -config /root/xorg.config.fc4 and it worked fine. I then copied it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and gave startx. But twm refused to start. I could just a see a black screen with a black X mouse pointer in the middle. I moved it and it was lagging very badly. So I killed the X server and emerged fluxbox. Fluxbox started fine. But when I tried to open xedit.. it went terribly slow.. Same thing with xcalc. People in #xorg on Freenode told me that I needed to look for via_drv.o module. I didn't find it. Xorg doesn't install it. vesa gives very bad performance as stated above. Interestingly, vesa is what FC4 uses and it runs absolutely fine! What am I to do? I would appreciate any help anyone can offer! Thank you, Mrugesh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xorg.. twm not starting and terrible performance with fluxbox
On 11/10/05, Mrugesh Karnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I just installed Gentoo on an AMD64 Sempron machine. RAM is not a problem.. 1GB of it. I just emerged xorg-x11. The graphics card is VIA Unichrome onboard. I have a perfectly fine working FC4 system. I used the FC4 xorg.conf file. First ran Xorg -configure. Kept all the paths from Gentoo and filled in stuff like mouse, keyboard, monitor and graphics card configuration from the FC4 file. I tested the file with X -config /root/xorg.config.fc4 and it worked fine. I then copied it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and gave startx. But twm refused to start. I could just a see a black screen with a black X mouse pointer in the middle. I moved it and it was lagging very badly. So I killed the X server and emerged fluxbox. Fluxbox started fine. But when I tried to open xedit.. it went terribly slow.. Same thing with xcalc. People in #xorg on Freenode told me that I needed to look for via_drv.o module. I didn't find it. Xorg doesn't install it. I don't use it, but it looks like I got a via_drv on my install of xorg-x11. Which version of xorg-x11, and what USE flags? carcharias rjf # locate via_drv /usr/lib/modules/drivers/via_drv.o /usr/src/linux-2.6.14/drivers/char/drm/via_drv.c /usr/src/linux-2.6.14/drivers/char/drm/via_drv.h /usr/src/linux-2.6.13-suspend2-r5/drivers/char/drm/via_drv.c /usr/src/linux-2.6.13-suspend2-r5/drivers/char/drm/via_drv.h carcharias rjf # equery belongs /usr/lib/modules/drivers/via_drv.o [ Searching for file(s) /usr/lib/modules/drivers/via_drv.o in *... ] x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r6 (/usr/lib/modules/drivers/via_drv.o) carcharias rjf # emerge -vp x11-base/xorg-x11 These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r6 -3dfx -3dnow +bitmap-fonts -cjk -debug -dlloader -dmx +doc +font-server -insecure-drivers +ipv6 -minimal +mmx +nls -nocxx +opengl +pam -sdk +sse -static +truetype-fonts +type1-fonts (-uclibc) -xprint +xv 0 kB Total size of downloads: 0 kB -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xorg.. twm not starting and terrible performance with fluxbox
Richard Fish wrote: On 11/10/05, Mrugesh Karnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I just installed Gentoo on an AMD64 Sempron machine. RAM is not a problem.. 1GB of it. I just emerged xorg-x11. The graphics card is VIA Unichrome onboard. I have a perfectly fine working FC4 system. I used the FC4 xorg.conf file. First ran Xorg -configure. Kept all the paths from Gentoo and filled in stuff like mouse, keyboard, monitor and graphics card configuration from the FC4 file. I tested the file with X -config /root/xorg.config.fc4 and it worked fine. I then copied it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and gave startx. But twm refused to start. I could just a see a black screen with a black X mouse pointer in the middle. I moved it and it was lagging very badly. So I killed the X server and emerged fluxbox. Fluxbox started fine. But when I tried to open xedit.. it went terribly slow.. Same thing with xcalc. People in #xorg on Freenode told me that I needed to look for via_drv.o module. I didn't find it. Xorg doesn't install it. I don't use it, but it looks like I got a via_drv on my install of xorg-x11. Which version of xorg-x11, and what USE flags? carcharias rjf # locate via_drv /usr/lib/modules/drivers/via_drv.o /usr/src/linux-2.6.14/drivers/char/drm/via_drv.c /usr/src/linux-2.6.14/drivers/char/drm/via_drv.h /usr/src/linux-2.6.13-suspend2-r5/drivers/char/drm/via_drv.c /usr/src/linux-2.6.13-suspend2-r5/drivers/char/drm/via_drv.h carcharias rjf # equery belongs /usr/lib/modules/drivers/via_drv.o [ Searching for file(s) /usr/lib/modules/drivers/via_drv.o in *... ] x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r6 (/usr/lib/modules/drivers/via_drv.o) carcharias rjf # emerge -vp x11-base/xorg-x11 These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r6 -3dfx -3dnow +bitmap-fonts -cjk -debug -dlloader -dmx +doc +font-server -insecure-drivers +ipv6 -minimal +mmx +nls -nocxx +opengl +pam -sdk +sse -static +truetype-fonts +type1-fonts (-uclibc) -xprint +xv 0 kB Total size of downloads: 0 kB Hmmm. I am using the stable version. That's 6.8.2-r4. I'll try emerging r6. One thing.. my Sempron surely supports mmx and sse. I have both of those USE flags in my make.conf, but when emerging something, both those flags are in the () and are not used... why is that? Thanks, Mrugesh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xorg.. twm not starting and terrible performance with fluxbox
On 11/10/05, Mrugesh Karnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm. I am using the stable version. That's 6.8.2-r4. I'll try emerging r6. Well, give it shot. But looking at the ChangeLog, I don't see any references to via driver changes in -r5 or -r6, so I wouldn't hold my breath that you will see a difference just from the minor bump in the ebuild version. However, looking through the ebuild, it looks like the 'via' driver will be disabled if you use the 'minimal' flag. So make sure you don't merge with that in any case! One thing.. my Sempron surely supports mmx and sse. I have both of those USE flags in my make.conf, but when emerging something, both those flags are in the () and are not used... why is that? Flags in () are hard-masked by the profile. In this case, /usr/portage/profiles/linux-default/use.mask masks out mmx, mmx2, sse, and others. It is then up to the profile-specific mask to unmask them if they will work there...and at present only the x86 profile does this, so if you are using the amd64 profile, these flags are simply disabled. Ebuilds can still add the appropriate CFLAGS or configure options to enable mmx/sse however. The xorg-x11 ebuild does this for the amd64 profile. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xorg.. twm not starting and terrible performance with fluxbox
Richard Fish wrote: On 11/10/05, Mrugesh Karnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm. I am using the stable version. That's 6.8.2-r4. I'll try emerging r6. Well, give it shot. But looking at the ChangeLog, I don't see any references to via driver changes in -r5 or -r6, so I wouldn't hold my breath that you will see a difference just from the minor bump in the ebuild version. However, looking through the ebuild, it looks like the 'via' driver will be disabled if you use the 'minimal' flag. So make sure you don't merge with that in any case! One thing.. my Sempron surely supports mmx and sse. I have both of those USE flags in my make.conf, but when emerging something, both those flags are in the () and are not used... why is that? Flags in () are hard-masked by the profile. In this case, /usr/portage/profiles/linux-default/use.mask masks out mmx, mmx2, sse, and others. It is then up to the profile-specific mask to unmask them if they will work there...and at present only the x86 profile does this, so if you are using the amd64 profile, these flags are simply disabled. Ebuilds can still add the appropriate CFLAGS or configure options to enable mmx/sse however. The xorg-x11 ebuild does this for the amd64 profile. -Richard Still no luck. I tried compiling VIA Unichrome suppport in the kernel, but the kernel version of via_drv.o doesn't move out of /usr/src. xorg-x11-6.8.2-r6 doesn't compile via_drv.o and my X is performing very badly! What I don't understand, is why it would work perfectly fine on FC4 and not on Gentoo with vesa driver! Thanks, Mrugesh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
