Re: [gentoo-user] Need drive space, what to delete?
On Sun, Dec 04, 2005 at 10:45:41AM -0700, Richard Fish wrote In addition to Holly's comments, I would take a look at the output of emerge --pretend --prune. It is likely that you have some slotted packages that you do not use anymore and can delete. *DON'T* do that. It appears that emerge --pretend --prune blindly tells you to delete all but one version of a package. That can be a *BD* idea. Here is part of its output on my system... x11-libs/gtk+ selected: 1.2.10-r11 protected: 2.6.10-r1 omitted: none sys-devel/automake selected: 1.5 1.6.3 1.7.9-r1 1.4_p6 1.8.5-r3 protected: 1.9.6-r1 omitted: none sys-devel/autoconf selected: 2.13 protected: 2.59-r6 omitted: none But emerge --pretend --emptytree xmms on my system wants (amongst other things)... [ebuild N] sys-devel/autoconf-2.13 [ebuild N] sys-devel/autoconf-2.59-r6 [ebuild N] sys-devel/automake-1.5 [ebuild N] sys-devel/automake-1.8.5-r3 [ebuild N] sys-devel/automake-1.6.3 [ebuild N] sys-devel/automake-1.7.9-r1 [ebuild N] sys-devel/automake-1.4_p6 [ebuild N] sys-devel/automake-wrapper-1-r1 [ebuild N] sys-devel/automake-1.9.6-r1 [ebuild N] x11-libs/gtk+-1.2.10-r11 That's just 1 app. I'm sure there are others that would experience similar breakage. If you emerge --pretend --emptytree --world and an old version listed for deletion by --prune does *NOT* show up, you'll probably be safe removing it. Maybe emerge --pretend --prune needs to run emerge --pretend --emptytree --world by default, and use its output as a sanity-check before recommending deletions. -- Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Need drive space, what to delete?
I agree...never ever use prune unless it is only removing something you WANT to remove that was installed in a new slot. The only times I've ever used it are to remove vanilla-sources-2.6.12.5 once I got 2.16.14.2 set up, and to remove gcc-3.3.6 once 3.4.4 was set up. It's a very dangerous option, the only reason I used it in those cases is because it took less typing than emerge -C with the exact version, and I KNEW I wanted to remove what it was removing. On 12/7/05, Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Dec 04, 2005 at 10:45:41AM -0700, Richard Fish wrote In addition to Holly's comments, I would take a look at the output of emerge --pretend --prune.It is likely that you have some slotted packages that you do not use anymore and can delete. *DON'T* do that.It appears that emerge --pretend --prune blindlytells you to delete all but one version of a package.That can be a*BD* idea.Here is part of its output on my system... x11-libs/gtk+selected: 1.2.10-r11 protected: 2.6.10-r1 omitted: none sys-devel/automakeselected: 1.5 1.6.3 1.7.9-r1 1.4_p6 1.8.5-r3 protected: 1.9.6-r1 omitted: none sys-devel/autoconfselected: 2.13 protected: 2.59-r6 omitted: noneBut emerge --pretend --emptytree xmms on my system wants (amongstother things)...[ebuildN] sys-devel/autoconf- 2.13[ebuildN] sys-devel/autoconf-2.59-r6[ebuildN] sys-devel/automake-1.5[ebuildN] sys-devel/automake-1.8.5-r3[ebuildN] sys-devel/automake-1.6.3[ebuildN] sys-devel/automake- 1.7.9-r1[ebuildN] sys-devel/automake-1.4_p6[ebuildN] sys-devel/automake-wrapper-1-r1[ebuildN] sys-devel/automake-1.9.6-r1[ebuildN] x11-libs/gtk+-1.2.10-r11That's just 1 app.I'm sure there are others that would experience similar breakage.If you emerge --pretend --emptytree --world and anold version listed for deletion by --prune does *NOT* show up, you'llprobably be safe removing it.Maybe emerge --pretend --prune needs to run emerge --pretend --emptytree --world by default, and use itsoutput as a sanity-check before recommending deletions.--Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] In linux /sbin/init is Job #1My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Need drive space, what to delete?
Walter Dnes wrote: snip That's just 1 app. I'm sure there are others that would experience similar breakage. If you emerge --pretend --emptytree --world and an old version listed for deletion by --prune does *NOT* show up, you'll probably be safe removing it. Maybe emerge --pretend --prune needs to run emerge --pretend --emptytree --world by default, and use its output as a sanity-check before recommending deletions. Just for the record, I do that command but I then remove each app one by one by it's name. I do NOT just remove the -p option and go take a nap. I trust portage a lot but I also know that some things need more than one version, automake and autoconf being a couple of them but there are more like that. To be honest, if they removed that -p option. I would switch from Gentoo. Portage is great but I want to test the water before I jump in and find out it is freezing cold or scalding hot. What I wound up doing is removing some temp files, /var/tmp/portage/*, that gave me enough space to carry on a little longer. I'm trying to get my 30GB hard drive back that I loaned out. I'll have plenty of space then. I may end up getting a new 120GB or 160GB drive for this rig though. I need one that is big but cheap. I recently got me a new digital camera and a girlfriend. I'm not sure how long my 2 80GB drives will last in my main rig. Also note to clear up confision. I have four rigs here. All run folding and one is a desktop, rest are servers. I may put that in my sig. Thanks for pointing that out though. That would not be a good idea to run that blindly. Dale :-) -- To err is human, I'm most certainly human. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Need drive space, what to delete?
Haim Ashkenazi wrote: do you have WIPE_TMP=yes in /etc/conf.d/bootmisc? if not (and you don't have any other means of cleaning /tmp, chances are you have too many files in /tmp (e.g. every movie you ever viewed with firefox). you can change the setting like the example above and reboot the machine and it'll clean you /tmp. note however that every boot will completely wipe out every file you have in /tmp. Bye Well, this is set up as a server but I do have KDE installed. It has never connected to the net though. I hope my mom will start using it if I move. I'm going to try that setting and reboot and see if it helps any, it has to help some though. May do the same on my other rigs too. Thanks. Dale :-) -- To err is human, I'm most certainly human. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Need drive space, what to delete?
LOL It helped a little bit, but not much. swifty / # df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda6 3564108 3505584 58524 99% / udev12738880127308 1% /dev /dev/hda148312 37412 10900 78% /boot none127388 0127388 0% /dev/shm swifty / # Any more ideas? I would hate to have to remove KDE from that thing. Thanks. Dale :-) -- To err is human, I'm most certainly human. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Need drive space, what to delete?
Dale schreef: LOL It helped a little bit, but not much. swifty / # df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda6 3564108 3505584 58524 99% / udev12738880127308 1% /dev /dev/hda148312 37412 10900 78% /boot none 127388 0127388 0% /dev/shm swifty / # Any more ideas? I would hate to have to remove KDE from that thing. OK, ideas 1 (Traditional): delete the contents of /usr/portage/distfiles. These are the downloaded tarballs of the programs you have previously installed. Since they are already installed, the tarballs are no longer needed unless you reinstall the same program, soeleting these files only means that if you want to reinstall the same version of the same program, you'd have to download the tarball again. However, since you're on dialup, this might be a problem for you. So I would suggest that you burn any tarballs you consider 'precious' or difficult to acquire to CD or DVD (do you have a CD or DVD burner?) and *then* delete the contents of /usr/portage/distfiles. If you need to reinstall something that's difficult to download, you can pop the item back into /distfiles/ from the backup. I commonly do this for the Neverwinter Nights data tarball, which is 1GB of tarball, and I not only don't really want to be downloading that again (even on my 8Mbit ADSL line) when I want to reinstall NWN, but I don't need a gig of space being eaten on my / partiton either. The file doesn't change, so it's safe enough. 2 (Traditional, little-known): Check /var/tmp/portage. There is a directory for every compile you've done, and normally (when the compile completes successfully) the temp compilation files are replaced by a tiny .keep file. If the compile fails, however, the compilation files remain, taking up space-- sometimes a lot of space. Find the directories that take up more than a few KB and delete them. The program isn't installed anyway (since the compilation failed), so no harm done. 3 (Tough Love): You don't want to get rid of KDE, but there's a good chance you don't need all of KDE-- you might consider trimming it. This is the gigantic benefit of the split ebuilds; you don't have to have *all* of KDE, just the parts you need. You perhaps installed KOffice-- but do you actually need the spreadsheet and the presentation whatever? Uninstall KOffice and reinstall just KWord. Do you need the accessibility functions?The educational programs? The PIM, toys, and webdev programs? Etc, etc. If you have kde-meta installed, you might want to consider unmerging that, re-emerging just the split ebuilds for the KDE programs you use, then emerge depclean-ing the rest. 4. (Tough Love 1a): Do the above and switch to a 'lighter' WM-- you can perfectly well use KDE applications while using... oh, IceWM or Openbox or Fvwm-Crystal. I personally don't like KDE or most of its programs, but there are a few KDE programs I do use under Fvwm-Crystal (Krusader, K3b, KView). While of course this means I must have kdelibs, kdebase, and QT installed (and the Control Center to manage the KDE backend quickly for those few times its necessary), I don't *use* Konqueror, so I don't need it, and I don't have to have a gigantic KDE backend installed for no purpose (on my system). Using -kde in your USE flags can often eliminate some cruft when installing such programs (because I don't use the KDE backend for the applications, I don't need the KDE setup tool for K3b, or the linkages that optional KDE support creates when installing Krusader). Think about it. 5 (Tough Love 2): Consider not keeping every d*mn thing on your computer's drive all the time. Back lesser-used personal data files off the disk (twice, if you're thorough) and *delete them from the disk*. If you need the file, copy it back from the CD-- or use it from the CD, if it's like a movie or something. The originals don't have to be sitting there taking up space just because. And you should back up anyway (it's good policy). 6 (External Tools): Consider emerging/using /kgraphspace/ (if you must have a KDE application), or /xdiskusage/ to see what is actually taking up the space. Once you have located what directories contain files that are taking up too much space, you can determine what to do with them (delete, back up, whatever). Hope this helps, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Need drive space, what to delete?
Holly Bostick wrote: OK, ideas 1 (Traditional): delete the contents of /usr/portage/distfiles. Already gone. I use http-replicator from my main rig. I do wish I could tell emerge to delete them after it finishes compiling though. 2 (Traditional, little-known): Check /var/tmp/portage. It will be gone shortly. I didn't know if it would bork my system if I deleted them or not. 3 (Tough Love): You don't want to get rid of KDE, but there's a good chance you don't need all of KDE-- you might consider trimming it. I plan to let my mom use it if I move so I hope I can keep it all. Good idea though. I can't even remember what all I installed now. Most likely the whole thing though. ;) 5 (Tough Love 2): Consider not keeping every d*mn thing on your computer's drive all the time. Right now, it only runs folding. I have logged into KDE a couple times but never been on the net. Just making sure it would work is all. 6 (External Tools): Consider emerging/using /kgraphspace/ (if you must have a KDE application), or /xdiskusage/ to see what is actually taking up the space. Once you have located what directories contain files that are taking up too much space, you can determine what to do with them (delete, back up, whatever). I had never heard of these. Sort of funny, I need room but I need to install something to see what can go. LOL I'll check into it though, for my main rig for sure. Hope this helps, Holly I did remove a kernel that I am not using. I also pruned a few other things that was not needed. I was at 92% or so, now I am at 70%. That /var/tmp/portage was pretty big. At least I can run folding now. Thanks for the help. Dale :-) -- To err is human, I'm most certainly human. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Need drive space, what to delete?
Dale schreef: Holly Bostick wrote: 3 (Tough Love): You don't want to get rid of KDE, but there's a good chance you don't need all of KDE-- you might consider trimming it. I plan to let my mom use it if I move so I hope I can keep it all. Now, see, that's where you lose me because your mom *may* use the computer if you move, you want to keep every possibility of KDE available for her? What is your mother actually likely to use the computer for, if she in fact does use it (which you don't even know if she will)? If she's never heard of an MP3, and isn't likely to download any, she doesn't *need* amaroK/juK/noatun (kdemultimedia-meta), no matter how nice it is. Kscd (for audio CDs) will be fine. If she doesn't have any DVDs or download films, (k)mplayer and xine and its ilk are a waste of space. Is she really likely to change her wallpaper or window decoration a lot (or ever)? If not, kde-artwork is pretty pointless. Is she likely to administer users or create cron jobs? No? So much for kdeadmin-meta. Has she a digital camera or video camera? A fax? Does she edit graphics files? Take screenshots of her desktop? No? Well then The Gimp and kdegrapics-meta doesn't have to be there either. Does she do a lot of document editing? Of MSWord documents? Does she really need OO.o, or even KWord for this? Might abiword not be sufficient, or even kedit or kate? You see where I'm going with this. I admit that I'm a bit hot on this issue; my bf's mother was recently forced to accept a computer by her other son (hand-me-down). She does not know anything about computers, and in fact doesn't want this one (but everyone is figuring that she needs one, and once she gets used to it and sees the capabilities, she'll love it. I'm not so sure myself, but it could go that way, of course). At her recent birthday party, she was complaining that all of her friends and family (who are experienced, average users) were giving her advice like you need to get cable internet, and that sort of thing-- while she's trying to master Windows Solitaire *in order to* *learn how to use the mouse*. We have a printer (hand-me-down) to give her, but what's the rush when she doesn't know what a text file (or a *.doc file) is, or what programs are needed to open or view them-- in fact, she doesn't have any text documents-- much less a need to print said non-existent documents (which if needed she could create in Notepad just as well as OO.o Writer, and probably easier). I'm also hot on this issue because this was always my major complaint about Windows. Microsoft, like any company, wants to create a positive experience for the users of their product, so that the user will continue to buy their product. That's normal. What isn't normal, imo, is their design philosophy-- that the only (or most successful) way to ensure a positive user experience is to control the user's environment so severely that it only encompasses those areas that Microsoft is guaranteed to deliver a positive experience in. So MSOffice saves files in a proprietary format that MSOffice reads best. Optimization of webpages created in Frontpage (free with MSOffice) display perfectly in IE, and poorly in Mozilla. *.wmv files are beneficial to use due to the compression, but are hard to play in media players that are not WMP. And the list goes on-- though I'm still not sure why the \My * folders (Documents, Media, Music, etc) are placed on the C:\ drive by default when the most common way to fix Windows is to reformat and reinstall (thereby deleting your C:\My * files). The reason that I will not use Windows is that *the ability to control* *my environment is an essential part of a positive user experience* for me. Therefore I must object to your efforts to create a positive user experience for your mother by controlling her environment excessively. This position is supported by the fact that you *cannot* provide every single bell-and-whistle available-- you simply don't have the disk space. So for you, if you want to encourage your mother (and the greatest encouragement is a positive user experience), the best way to do that is to customize the PC to her actual needs, rather than trying to cover every possible eventuality of what you *think* she *might* want *someday*. I'd say, strip the system down to the bare minimum of what she's likely to need daily (and what the system can reasonably support to run quickly, since a slow computer is not part of a positive user experience), and let her get comfortable with that-- if she then expands her horizons and needs more functionality, she can ask you (mother-son bonding, an added benefit), or she can learn about Gentoo at her own pace and have the thrill of accomplishment just like you've had. Just my 5 Euros, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Need drive space, what to delete?
On 12/4/05, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
LOL It helped a little bit, but not much.
swifty / # df
Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda6 3564108 3505584 58524 99% /
udev12738880127308 1% /dev
/dev/hda148312 37412 10900 78% /boot
none127388 0127388 0% /dev/shm
swifty / #
Any more ideas? I would hate to have to remove KDE from that thing.
In addition to Holly's comments, I would take a look at the output of
emerge --pretend --prune. It is likely that you have some slotted
packages that you do not use anymore and can delete. Old kernel
sources (don't forget to manually remove the associated
/lib/modules/kernel version directory) and old versions of KDE would
be prime suspects.
You can also delete just the distfiles that are no longer needed
(because of upgrades or removed packages) with something like:
mount / -o remount,atime
touch --time=atime --date 01/01/2005 /usr/portage/distfiles/*
emerge -De --fetchonly world
mount / -o remount,noatime
find /usr/portage/distfiles -type f -amin +60 -exec rm -v {} \;
-Richard
--
gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Need drive space, what to delete?
On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 04:42 -0600, Dale wrote: LOL It helped a little bit, but not much. swifty / # df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda6 3564108 3505584 58524 99% / udev12738880127308 1% /dev /dev/hda148312 37412 10900 78% /boot none127388 0127388 0% /dev/shm swifty / # Any more ideas? I would hate to have to remove KDE from that thing. Little known things that may help: app-admin/localepurge Handy tool. Wipes locales that you don't use. ( 262 Mb here ) make sure you strip binaries, build them with -O2 or -Os instead of -O3. (debug info alone on my system is 490 Mb) Wipe old kernels. make clean in the one kernel dir you have left. /lib/modules : clean out things you don't have left. cd /usr ; du -ab |sort -n Look at the results, then use equery ( or qfile, qpkg, epm or any other tool) to look them up. emerge --prune ( handle with care... .) Remove tetex if you have it installed. ( Also make sure you set USE=-doc unless you really want API documentations ) Logs? Logrotate + compression. KDE: perhaps using split builds and only installing the pieces you need/want? //Spider -- begin .signature Tortured users / Laughing in pain See Microsoft KB Article Q265230 for more information. end signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Need drive space, what to delete?
On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:38:17 -0800, Steven Susbauer wrote: since I want the actual installed programs to stay even with a depclean, I add them to my world file ( equery l kde-base/ | grep kde-base /var/lib/portage/world ). That will put all kde-base files in world, even libraries and other dependencies. -- Neil Bothwick The quickest way to a man's heart is through his sternum. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Need drive space, what to delete?
It's relatively easy to delete the libraries from the world file. All I keep in there is stuff I know I want, like kscd or whatever. You also have to delete the 3.4.3 version numbers from the files, which can be a pain if you don't know how to use vi. It is for the most part easier to start with a blank slate; in my case I like having everything and deleting things I know I don't need, because otherwise I'm likely to forget something I do.After cleaning up the world file, depclean will remove the things I didn't need. On 12/4/05, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:38:17 -0800, Steven Susbauer wrote: since I want the actual installed programs to stay even with a depclean, I add them to my world file ( equery l kde-base/ | grep kde-base /var/lib/portage/world ). That will put all kde-base files in world, even libraries and otherdependencies.--Neil BothwickThe quickest way to a man's heart is through his sternum. -- Steven Susbauer
Re: [gentoo-user] Need drive space, what to delete?
On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:30:57 -0800, Steven Susbauer wrote: It is for the most part easier to start with a blank slate; in my case I like having everything and deleting things I know I don't need, because otherwise I'm likely to forget something I do. I've done it the other way around. unmerge the meta packages then run emerge depclean -p. Any programs I want to keep I add to world with emerge -n package. Then run depclean again until it contains nothing I want. -- Neil Bothwick CONGRSS.SYS corruptd... Re-boot Washington D.C? (Y/N) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Need drive space, what to delete?
Richard Fish wrote: In addition to Holly's comments, I would take a look at the output of emerge --pretend --prune. Funny, that was what I did. Even though it is a recent install it still had several version of some stuff. It took up a bit of room too. You can also delete just the distfiles that are no longer needed (because of upgrades or removed packages) with something like: I do that pretty regular anyway. I have my main rig set up as a http-replicator server and it only takes a minute or so to download the files on my LAN. It also saves on my dial-up connection. You guys really com up with some ideas. Anybody have a cure for psoriasis? I'm disabled from it maybe you can come up with some ideas. The Doctors managed to make it worse though. I was at 1% when I first went to them, I'm at about 80% now. Needless to say, I don't see Doctors anymore. Dale :-) -- To err is human, I'm most certainly human. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
