Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:05:12 -0600, Dale wrote: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] www-client/mozilla-1.7.12-r2 +crypt -debug +gnome +ipv6 +java +ldap -mozcalendar -mozdevelop -moznocompose -moznoirc -moznomail -moznoxft -mozsvg -postgres +ssl +truetype -xinerama +xprint 0 kB I'm not sure what that ipv6 is for. I put -ipv6 in the USE line of make.conf and it is still there. How do I disable that thing? I ask because I noticed this with Kmail: Do you have ipv6 in /etc/portage/package.use? does it show up in emerge --info? [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # emerge -pv kmail These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] kde-base/kmail-3.5.0-r3 +arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdexdeltas -xinerama 0 kB Total size of downloads: 0 kB [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # NO ipv6 there. KMail is just the mail program, KDE's networking functions are centralised in libraries shared between all the programs. -- Neil Bothwick Keyboard: (n.) a device used by programmers to write software for a mouse or joystick and by operators for playing games such as 'word processing.' signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
OK, some of this is getting out of order here. I changed the flag in my USE to -ipv6. I then recompiled the programs that it changed on. It was Mozilla and a couple others as well that Mozilla uses. If you get this it is working, for the moment any way. It did work earlier to but then stopped when I reconnected. I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it but it was worth a try. I played a game of Solitaire while it was working on it. LOL I'll keep you posted. Now to find some people that I can send email to and not get mad at me. Any volunteers?? Thanks. Dale :-) Oh, somewhere along the way this thing popped up. When I hit compose or reply, a line comes up for reply to. It didn't use to do that and I usually delete it. How do I make it go away? It bugs me. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Thursday 19 January 2006 06:38, Dale wrote: OK, some of this is getting out of order here. I changed the flag in my USE to -ipv6. I then recompiled the programs that it changed on. It was Mozilla and a couple others as well that Mozilla uses. If you get this it is working, for the moment any way. It did work earlier to but then stopped when I reconnected. I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it but it was worth a try. I played a game of Solitaire while it was working on it. LOL I'll keep you posted. Now to find some people that I can send email to and not get mad at me. Any volunteers?? Thanks. Dale :-) Oh, somewhere along the way this thing popped up. When I hit compose or reply, a line comes up for reply to. It didn't use to do that and I usually delete it. How do I make it go away? It bugs me. OK. I got a couple volunteers. I sent one of them a email then disconnected. After I got reconnected, Mozilla gives me a error. I'm in Kmail again. I have one thing I'm going to tell my ISP. Fix this or I'm getting another ISP. Ever since the hurricane it has been going downhill, fast. I have five numbers for them and can only connect to one of them and it is VERY slow, only 24K. I usually get 28K or so. My emerge sync took half again as long to do last night. Thanks for the help. I'm 99% sure this is a ISP problem since it works sometimes and then stops after a reconnect. What you folks think? Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Jan 19, 2006, at 7:11 AM, Dale wrote: On Thursday 19 January 2006 06:38, Dale wrote: OK, some of this is getting out of order here. I changed the flag in my USE to -ipv6. I then recompiled the programs that it changed on. It was Mozilla and a couple others as well that Mozilla uses. If you get this it is working, for the moment any way. It did work earlier to but then stopped when I reconnected. I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it but it was worth a try. I played a game of Solitaire while it was working on it. LOL I'll keep you posted. Now to find some people that I can send email to and not get mad at me. Any volunteers?? Thanks. Dale :-) Oh, somewhere along the way this thing popped up. When I hit compose or reply, a line comes up for reply to. It didn't use to do that and I usually delete it. How do I make it go away? It bugs me. OK. I got a couple volunteers. I sent one of them a email then disconnected. After I got reconnected, Mozilla gives me a error. I'm in Kmail again. I have one thing I'm going to tell my ISP. Fix this or I'm getting another ISP. Ever since the hurricane it has been going downhill, fast. I have five numbers for them and can only connect to one of them and it is VERY slow, only 24K. I usually get 28K or so. My emerge sync took half again as long to do last night. Thanks for the help. I'm 99% sure this is a ISP problem since it works sometimes and then stops after a reconnect. What you folks think? I think you need a new isp. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Thursday 19 January 2006 07:14, John Jolet wrote: I think you need a new isp. Don't tempt me. I did a google search last night and the one that actually supports Linux doesn't have any local numbers. I tried to connect to my brothers Bell South the other night and it won't let me connect with his username/password. It gives me a strange error. I know they use windoze for their servers and they don't support Linux either. Well, they don't say they do anyway. My current ISP uses Linux, at least for their email server anyway. I'm not sure about the actual modem connection since they move it around so much. They open in about 30 minutes too. They will be working on this today unless the world ends. Thanks for the help. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
-Original Message- From: Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 January 2006 04:56 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too. On Wednesday 18 January 2006 22:10, Glenn Enright wrote: Some ISPs may also require your alias to be a specific thing, eg your real name, or the same as your email address. Silly but true. Can you tell me where this is? I read off to my ISP what I have in my settings and they said it was correct. Thing is, it works in Kmail, same settings too. That is what is so confusing to me, maybe everybody else too. Kmail has a tab under its settings which you can use to test what authentication method the mailserver responds to. It starts from the most secure and works its way down the list until the server gives a positive response. It may be worth checking that security tab in Kmail (or whatever it is called - not at a Linux machine right now) and use the same method with Mozilla. Some ISP's could tighten up their SMTP policies and mailserver implementation without providing explicit instructions to their users. Things can get more complicated when ISP's start acquiring each other's business and try to amalgamate their mailserver addresses. -- Regards, Mick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
Dale schreef:
On Tuesday 17 January 2006 23:00, Richard Fish wrote:
find ~/.mozilla -name prefs.js -exec grep mail.smtpserver {} \;
This is on my old install.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / # find home/dale/.mozilla -name prefs.js -exec grep
mail.smtpserver {} \;
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.auth_method, 1);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.hostname, mail.exceedtech.net);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.port, 25);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.try_ssl, 0);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.username, dalek);
user_pref(mail.smtpservers, smtp1); [EMAIL PROTECTED] / #
This is from the new install that I mounted on /mnt/gentoo, you know,
like in the install guide. LOL
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / # find /mnt/gentoo/home/dale/.mozilla -name prefs.js
-exec grep mail.smtpserver {} \;
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.auth_method, 1);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.hostname, mail.exceedtech.net);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.port, 25);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.try_ssl, 0);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.username, dalek);
user_pref(mail.smtpservers, smtp1); [EMAIL PROTECTED] / #
Well, this may explain why neither one works. They are the same.
Does that look right??
Looks right to me; these are the same settings I have in Thunderbird
(with different hostname and username, of course), and I don't have any
problems.
What I don't get is why moz is trying to relay directly. I'm no
mail/network guru, but I do know that if I send a mail to someone
outside my network (like, for example, the list), *I* don't relay (send
the mail via another ssmtp server) but rather I send it to my ISP and
*they* relay it (just like snail mail; I drop the letter in the post box
near me and the Postal Service takes it to the next node in the town
where the recipient lives, and *their* local mail service delivers it.
It's not like if I want to write somebody in NYC, I have to mail the
letter *in* NYC for it to be delivered...!)
About all I can ask at this point is:
1) what version of Mozilla are you using? What are your USE flags for
your installation? Have you checked b.g.o or mozillazine
(http://www.mozillazine.org/ ) to see if this is perhaps a known bug of
your version of Mozilla? Have you tried upgrading (maybe it's a bug
that's fixed in later versions)?
2) If you go to Edit=Preferences=Account Preferences=Outgoing server
(SMTP), is there more than one server listed, and is your ISP's server
selected as standard? Like Iain, I had similar problems (a long time
ago) when attempting to send mail via my home ISP from work, where we
had a different ISP, which wouldn't work because I was logged into my
work's mail server (of course), and not my home ISP's SMTP server, so my
home ISP wasn't going to send my mail, since I wasn't an authorized user
(not logged in). It's hard to believe that there isn't *some* problem
with your SMTP settings that we're missing, though there is no error to
be seen, and of course KMail is presumably set the same way, and *that*
works
3) I'm wondering if this isn't a Mozilla problem; very curious as to
whether Thunderbird would exhibit it as well. If you want to try it, you
can use the same mail folders and settings as Mozilla, which I can
quickly tell you how to set up (it's like 5 steps, if T-bird doesn't
just offer to import the Mozilla settings for you) if you decide to try
it. Also curious as to whether there's *any difference whatsoever*
between your KMail settings and your Mozilla settings (yes, it's
fine-toothed-comb time).
4) I'm also wondering if this is a local problem (to a specific
outside address), or a general problem (to any outside address).
Have you tested mail to multiple/different outside addresses, or just
one? If just one, maybe that one is the problem. You can send me a test
mail; I'm certainly outside your local network :-) .
5) It's a long shot, but is there any possibility that you're sending to
an outside address to which your ISP will *not* relay, i.e. someplace
that *cough* Homeland Security doesn't want you writing to (maybe you
have a relative in the service, I don't know)? If there are such domains
(and I'm sure there are), it's within the (distant, we hope) realm of
possiblility that
your ISP is being excessively cautious in order to avoid any spotlight
of investigation falling on them.
6) I don't know much (all right, anything) about sending command-line
mail, but there must be a way to get a traceroute of a mail. Maybe
somebody here knows how we could get some useful output about what
happens when this mail pretends to relay itself for some reason.
I just thought of something. My new install has two accounts, the
dalek one and my new one rdalek. Where's rdalek?? I'm going to
change later and get rid of some spam, I hope.
I had to fill in the user directories since I was logged in as root.
Root don't have a .mozilla directory.
Regular users don't have any rights to read root's home directory.
Probably Mozilla
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:17:29 -0600, Dale wrote: An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: 5.7.1 whatever email address I am trying to send to Relaying denied. Please verify that your email address is correct in your Mail preferences and try again. To recap a bit. I have a problem sending email to anyone outside my ISPs network. I can't send to a yahoo, or my brothers Bell South account and some others too. Your ISP's mail server thinks you are connecting from outside their network, so it only allows you to send mails to addresses within the network (that's the Relaying denied bit). There's nothing wrong with your network connections, because KMail works, so it must be down to your Mozilla config. Some ISPs also check the domain part of your email address, is that set the same in Mozilla and KMail? -- Neil Bothwick Electrocution, n.: Burning at the stake with all the modern improvements. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 03:27, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:17:29 -0600, Dale wrote: An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: 5.7.1 whatever email address I am trying to send to Relaying denied. Please verify that your email address is correct in your Mail preferences and try again. To recap a bit. I have a problem sending email to anyone outside my ISPs network. I can't send to a yahoo, or my brothers Bell South account and some others too. Your ISP's mail server thinks you are connecting from outside their network, so it only allows you to send mails to addresses within the network (that's the Relaying denied bit). There's nothing wrong with your network connections, because KMail works, so it must be down to your Mozilla config. Some ISPs also check the domain part of your email address, is that set the same in Mozilla and KMail? Yup. I get the same error even if I just switch desktops and don't even disconnect and reconnect my modem. I have got the same error once or twice on the old OS with Kmail too. It was just a few times though. What gets me is this, I did a fresh install and copied over my /home directory and /etc as well. Everything else was new. It still does not work. Here is the kicker. On my new install, Mozilla will no longer open, just like on the old OS. I have a few questions that I would like you to think about. I upgraded gcc, then upgraded KDE to 3.5 and had to upgrade my kernel when I did the KDE upgrade. Can all that have something to do with this? I'm considering doing another install and not use the new gcc, a older kernel, and KDE 3.4 just to see if it would work then. This is really wrecking my brain. I have no clue what is wrong. I booted the Gentoo CD and ran memtest86 and got several passes with not one single error. My CPU runs as cool as some with water cooling so I don't think this is hardware. It's hard for me to beleive that I can have two drives from different manufacturors going out at the same time either. Now to go back and answer Hollys email. Any ideas? Me clueless. Dale :-( -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 03:08, Holly Bostick wrote: About all I can ask at this point is: 1) what version of Mozilla are you using? What are your USE flags for your installation? Have you checked b.g.o or mozillazine (http://www.mozillazine.org/ ) to see if this is perhaps a known bug of your version of Mozilla? Have you tried upgrading (maybe it's a bug that's fixed in later versions)? [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ # emerge -pv mozilla These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] www-client/mozilla-1.7.12-r2 +crypt -debug +gnome +ipv6 +java +ldap -mozcalendar -mozdevelop -moznocompose -moznoirc -moznomail -moznoxft -mozsvg -postgres +ssl +truetype -xinerama +xprint 0 kB Total size of downloads: 0 kB [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ # 2) If you go to Edit=Preferences=Account Preferences=Outgoing server (SMTP), is there more than one server listed, and is your ISP's server selected as standard? Like Iain, I had similar problems (a long time ago) when attempting to send mail via my home ISP from work, where we had a different ISP, which wouldn't work because I was logged into my work's mail server (of course), and not my home ISP's SMTP server, so my home ISP wasn't going to send my mail, since I wasn't an authorized user (not logged in). It's hard to believe that there isn't *some* problem with your SMTP settings that we're missing, though there is no error to be seen, and of course KMail is presumably set the same way, and *that* works Well, Mozilla won't even open now. I do have it set up the same as Kmail though. Just to make sure it was not a corrupt file or something, I created a brand new user and set it up. Same error. Kmail worked though. 3) I'm wondering if this isn't a Mozilla problem; very curious as to whether Thunderbird would exhibit it as well. If you want to try it, you can use the same mail folders and settings as Mozilla, which I can quickly tell you how to set up (it's like 5 steps, if T-bird doesn't just offer to import the Mozilla settings for you) if you decide to try it. Also curious as to whether there's *any difference whatsoever* between your KMail settings and your Mozilla settings (yes, it's fine-toothed-comb time). They are the same as far as email goes. Mozilla worked for a good while until all this started. 4) I'm also wondering if this is a local problem (to a specific outside address), or a general problem (to any outside address). Have you tested mail to multiple/different outside addresses, or just one? If just one, maybe that one is the problem. You can send me a test mail; I'm certainly outside your local network :-) . I can not send email to anyone without exceedtech.net on the end. My brother has a Bell South account and it won't go. I have two Yahoo accounts, nothing. I have a couple friends on other ISPs, lady friends LOL, and they are no go either. Is it OK if I try to find someone to put up with me? O_O It gets lonely with me, three servers and my broke desktop. 5) It's a long shot, but is there any possibility that you're sending to an outside address to which your ISP will *not* relay, i.e. someplace that *cough* Homeland Security doesn't want you writing to (maybe you have a relative in the service, I don't know)? If there are such domains (and I'm sure there are), it's within the (distant, we hope) realm of possiblility that your ISP is being excessively cautious in order to avoid any spotlight of investigation falling on them. Who me?? LOL Most of them are within 300 miles of me. The closest, I can use two cans and a piece of string. My brother lives next door, country speaking for about ~700' away. 6) I don't know much (all right, anything) about sending command-line mail, but there must be a way to get a traceroute of a mail. Maybe somebody here knows how we could get some useful output about what happens when this mail pretends to relay itself for some reason. I sent a ethreal thing to two people. Maybe they went to bed. ;-) It is long so I don't want to put it on here. This is one line though. No. TimeSourceDestination Protocol Info 15 8.04504165.116.46.23 4.253.131.84 SMTP Response: 550 5.7.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]dotcom... Relaying denied I put in the dot in the address. That's my spaming email address at Yahoo, well, one of them. That's a good idea. No matter what your ISP says, it still could be something fishy with them (Customer Service isn't always told every little detail about what's going on with the service, and they can't help you solve a problem they don't know about). HTH, Holly I actually sent a email to the owner. No idea and nobody else is having this trouble. I don't think they would lie to me. When they have problems with connections, they usually call and get me to try it. Since Linux keeps better
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 07:43, Dale wrote: Well, Mozilla won't even open now. Well, you can add the binary version of Mozilla to the Do Not Open list. It didn't work either. I wonder how much crap I can mess up if I try to start a new install with my eyes half closed? I have read where people do this while plastered, drunk is the word for some. I'm at least going to take a nap. Yall be good now, you here. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
Dale schreef: On Wednesday 18 January 2006 07:43, Dale wrote: Well, Mozilla won't even open now. Well, you can add the binary version of Mozilla to the Do Not Open list. It didn't work either. Does anybody know if using the ipv6 flag when you don't actually have ipv6 available (from your ISP) might do something like this? Istr that I had a lot of difficulties with Internet applications when I first installed (because ipv6 is enabled by default) until I disabled it. I'm really out of other ideas, since I can only imagine that this is a Mozilla issue, and I can't imagine any issue that might have been caused by a bad install (and which could be fixed by a reinstall) that would not affect other such applications (so I have no idea what could possibly be wrong). Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
Dale wrote: On Wednesday 18 January 2006 03:27, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:17:29 -0600, Dale wrote: An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: 5.7.1 whatever email address I am trying to send to Relaying denied. Please verify that your email address is correct in your Mail preferences and try again. To recap a bit. I have a problem sending email to anyone outside my ISPs network. I can't send to a yahoo, or my brothers Bell South account and some others too. Your ISP's mail server thinks you are connecting from outside their network, so it only allows you to send mails to addresses within the network (that's the Relaying denied bit). There's nothing wrong with your network connections, because KMail works, so it must be down to your Mozilla config. Some ISPs also check the domain part of your email address, is that set the same in Mozilla and KMail? Yup. I get the same error even if I just switch desktops and don't even disconnect and reconnect my modem. I have got the same error once or twice on the old OS with Kmail too. It was just a few times though. What gets me is this, I did a fresh install and copied over my /home directory and /etc as well. Everything else was new. It still does not work. Here is the kicker. On my new install, Mozilla will no longer open, just like on the old OS. I have a few questions that I would like you to think about. I upgraded gcc, then upgraded KDE to 3.5 and had to upgrade my kernel when I did the KDE upgrade. Can all that have something to do with this? I'm considering doing another install and not use the new gcc, a older kernel, and KDE 3.4 just to see if it would work then. This is really wrecking my brain. I have no clue what is wrong. I booted the Gentoo CD and ran memtest86 and got several passes with not one single error. My CPU runs as cool as some with water cooling so I don't think this is hardware. It's hard for me to beleive that I can have two drives from different manufacturors going out at the same time either. Now to go back and answer Hollys email. Any ideas? Me clueless. Dale :-( Maybe try Firefox and Thunderbird as your browser and email client? Evidently something is wrong with how Mozilla is configured and maybe deleting any and all /home/dale/.mozilla folders is called for. Since you have already went through a new install and really did a good job of trouble-shooting, I would say your email client is the problem and/or ISP. I have bellsouth and have never had any of the problems you have encountered. Happy Hacking, -- Edward A Mihalow Jr Gentoo! Linux Registered Linux User#225662 New Orleans,LA -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On 1/18/06, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you have something wrong in your dialup settings? Or maybe you can compare with what mail server KMail really contacts with an ethereal trace? Oh, and post the output of traceroute -n mail.exceedtech.net. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On 1/17/06, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 17 January 2006 23:00, Richard Fish wrote:
find ~/.mozilla -name prefs.js -exec grep mail.smtpserver {} \;
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / # find /mnt/gentoo/home/dale/.mozilla -name prefs.js
-exec grep
mail.smtpserver {} \;
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.auth_method, 1);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.hostname, mail.exceedtech.net);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.port, 25);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.try_ssl, 0);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.username, dalek);
user_pref(mail.smtpservers, smtp1);
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / #
A grep -i smtp of the ethereal trace you sent me shows that you are
connecting to mail.exceedtech.net (65.116.46.23) from 4.253.131.84
(dialup-4.253.131.84.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net). This doesn't look
right...if exceedtech.net is your ISP you should be getting an address
within their address space 65.116.(?). Anyway this is why they think
you are relaying...you are not connecting from their network, and not
sending email to an exceedtech.net address.
Maybe you have something wrong in your dialup settings? Or maybe you
can compare with what mail server KMail really contacts with an
ethereal trace?
-Richard
--
gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:21:42 -0600, Dale wrote: Your ISP's mail server thinks you are connecting from outside their network, so it only allows you to send mails to addresses within the network (that's the Relaying denied bit). There's nothing wrong with your network connections, because KMail works, so it must be down to your Mozilla config. Some ISPs also check the domain part of your email address, is that set the same in Mozilla and KMail? Yup. I get the same error even if I just switch desktops and don't even disconnect and reconnect my modem. I have got the same error once or twice on the old OS with Kmail too. It was just a few times though. What gets me is this, I did a fresh install and copied over my /home directory and /etc as well. Everything else was new. It still does not work. If it's a configuration issue, you replaced everything but the cause of the problem. -- Neil Bothwick Everything else being equal, fat people use more soap. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
Holly Bostick wrote: Dale schreef: On Wednesday 18 January 2006 07:43, Dale wrote: Well, Mozilla won't even open now. Well, you can add the binary version of Mozilla to the Do Not Open list. It didn't work either. Does anybody know if using the ipv6 flag when you don't actually have ipv6 available (from your ISP) might do something like this? Istr that I had a lot of difficulties with Internet applications when I first installed (because ipv6 is enabled by default) until I disabled it. I'm really out of other ideas, since I can only imagine that this is a Mozilla issue, and I can't imagine any issue that might have been caused by a bad install (and which could be fixed by a reinstall) that would not affect other such applications (so I have no idea what could possibly be wrong). Holly I'm still awake here. I got Mozilla to work again in the OLD install. It's the binary version though. I'm going to try to send this with Mozilla mail. I noticed that ipv6 flag and I can only guess that it is in global USE or something. Should I unset it in make.conf and do a emerge -e world, again? Old install or new one? I sort of like the old one if it were up to me. LOL OK. I'm going to take a nap this time. I can barely stay awake. My bad typing is really kicking in too. Thanks for the help everybody. I would really like to figure this out so we will all learn something, the hard way looks like. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
Dale wrote: I'm still awake here. I got Mozilla to work again in the OLD install. It's the binary version though. I'm going to try to send this with Mozilla mail. I noticed that ipv6 flag and I can only guess that it is in global USE or something. Should I unset it in make.conf and do a emerge -e world, again? Old install or new one? I sort of like the old one if it were up to me. LOL OK. I'm going to take a nap this time. I can barely stay awake. My bad typing is really kicking in too. Thanks for the help everybody. I would really like to figure this out so we will all learn something, the hard way looks like. Dale :-) OK, don't nobody complain. These are coming from the binary version of Mozilla on my OLD install. I'm not going to jump up and down yet either. Can anybody find out when they added that ipv6 flag? Is it compiled into the binary version of Mozilla? I do not have any idea why this Mozilla decided to open. I just thought I would try it one more time and it did. I didn't do anything special either. The compiled version does not work. I tried it first. Let's see if this one works. Oh, My ISP opened a hour ago. Makes me wonder. Dale says prayer that this works, again Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
Dale wrote: Let's see if this one works. Oh, My ISP opened a hour ago. Makes me wonder. Dale says prayer that this works, again Dale :-) OK, I sent one to a lady I recently broke up with. Yes, we still talk, a lot. LOL Anyway, she has a Yahoo account. It went through just fine. No errors at all. I even sent some pics, new lady. LOL I also sent one to my brothers Bell South account. No errors there either. OK. Can someone tell my why my old Mozilla won't start up? I'd really like to keep my old install. Mozilla don't work in the new OS either so why not fix my old one. o_O I have got to take a nap. Ya'll hang tight for a bit. I usually sleep for a few hours at a time anyway. Disabled remember? Thanks for the help. Don't ask what I did. I dunno. Dale :-) :-) This is from Mozilla too, binary version though. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:53:52 -0600, Dale wrote: I noticed that ipv6 flag and I can only guess that it is in global USE or something. Should I unset it in make.conf and do a emerge -e world, again? There's no need to recompile *everything* for one changes USE flag, emerge -uavDN world will re-emerge all affected packages. Since something is really screwed up here, I was going to cover all my bases. It's letting me send email at the moment. I'm not sure how long though. I'm just emailing everybody in my list while I can. Dale -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:20:09 -0600, Dale wrote: Since something is really screwed up here, I was going to cover all my bases. The problem with that approach is that you don't know what the problem was or how you fixed it, so what do you do if it happens again? It's like the Windows if something goes wrong, reinstall mentality. It's letting me send email at the moment. I'm not sure how long though. I'm just emailing everybody in my list while I can. If it works and then stops working without you making any changes, it sounds like a fault at your ISP's end. -- Neil Bothwick Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 00:05 -0600, Dale wrote: On Tuesday 17 January 2006 23:48, Iain Buchanan wrote: Get the mail server (that you entered in you mail preferences), eg mail.isp.com and type `dig mail.isp.com`. (dig is part of For your ip address, I'm interested in your real world ip, but don't post it here!! ifconfig will get it IFF your using a modem, or pci-adsl, but if you have a networked modem/router, you'll need to connect to its status page to see what ip address you have. Is dig a command? I don't have it if it is. Keep in mind that I CAN send email just not to anyone outside my ISP and only with Mozilla. Kmail WILL send email on both OSs. I did get a error sometimes but Mozilla is consistant about his one. BTW, I did do a emerge -C mozilla and back up one version, still nothing. I have not done the older version on the new install though. I can if you want me too. They should be similar, however many isps have a few ip addresses that may not be ranged together. Looking at your other posts though, I don't know that this will help... really? hmmm... I don't have kmail installed so I don't know how it works. Can you look through the configuration to see if you can turn authentication on for sending mail? I did have to put in my password for Kmail. I think they do the same way. It's just that Mozilla don't work is all. Well, on this OS, Mozilla won't even open. But it won't email on my new OS either. If this confuses you, let me know. I'll post a better explaination. Finally, you could do some sniffing with ethereal. Make a capture filter so you don't get other junk, eg host mail.exceedtech.net and then post the text-capture here. Your isp may be giving out a different error which kmail is translating for you... post back if you need more help with ethereal. I did capture some data with ethereal before. I'm going to try to do that from my new install. I'm in my old install right now. I'm not sure why though. Habit I guess. I can't capture it here because Mozilla no longer works at all on this OS. Oh, what is UPSMON called now? I need to install it on my new OS but I can't find it. Even emerge -s ups didn't return it. Did they remove it? I'm going to boot the new OS, install ethereal then post from there, if I can. LOL Seriously, thanks for the help here. I'm totally lost. This is just to weird for me. I hope I am making sense. Dale :-) dig belongs to bind-tools. It's in portage... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 01:45:22AM -0600, Penguin Lover Dale squawked: I have the same setting I use for Kmail actually. server is mail.exceedtech.net on port 25. It is set to use user name and password and secure connection is set to no. I tried the others, it puked on me. Keep in mind that I can send to say [EMAIL PROTECTED]dotnet just fine. I can send to people that work there as well, even the owner. I can even email myself. It is just when I try to send to someone else outside exceedtech that it fails. I can see it connect and the data going over ppp on gkrellm and all. I just keep getting that error. Kmail seems to work great on the new install. I can send to anybody with it. Confusing huh You can get the HELO from the mail server, and send mail to users on your ISP's network, so that probably means that the outgoing part of your setting is correct. But you still get a 'relay not permitted' message and behaviour typical of ISPs blocking outgoing spam. Hum, is there a place in Mozilla to set your name/alias that goes in the From field for an e-mail? Can you double check that to see if you made a typo in the e-mail address or something? Sometimes ISPs reject mails sent to be relayed by their servers that neither originate nor end on their servers. HTH, W -- `...we might as well start with where your hand is now.' Arthur said, `So which way do I go?' `Down,' said Fenchurch, `on this occaision.' He moved his hand. `Down,' she said, `is in fact the other way.' `Oh yes.' - Arthur trying to discover which part of Fenchurch is wrong. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 67 days, 9:01 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 08:32, Neil Bothwick wrote: If it's a configuration issue, you replaced everything but the cause of the problem. Excellant point. Things have turned around a lot now I think. My ISP was having some !problems! today. They were calling !me! to tell them the error stuff because windoze would only tell them it was unable to connect but mine tells why. So instead of me calling them so much, thay are calling me some now. They did get it to where I can connect to the internet again. I still have to use Kmail though to send anything. At least I don't have to go to my brothers to get on the net. It's bad enough using Kmail to talk to my ladies. LOL I fixed Mozilla on my OLD install. It opens now. I can get new messages with it at least. This is the info for it: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # emerge -pv mozilla These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] www-client/mozilla-1.7.12-r2 +crypt -debug +gnome +ipv6 +java +ldap -mozcalendar -mozdevelop -moznocompose -moznoirc -moznomail -moznoxft -mozsvg -postgres +ssl +truetype -xinerama +xprint 0 kB Total size of downloads: 0 kB [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # I'm not sure what that ipv6 is for. I put -ipv6 in the USE line of make.conf and it is still there. How do I disable that thing? I ask because I noticed this with Kmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # emerge -pv kmail These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] kde-base/kmail-3.5.0-r3 +arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdexdeltas -xinerama 0 kB Total size of downloads: 0 kB [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # NO ipv6 there. I was told that management would be calling me in the morning to try to figure out my email issue. I may take my computer up there and just let them look at it, without the root password of course. I would still be driving my rig. ;-) If anybody has any ideas, I'm open to them. I'm really starting to think this is a ISP problem though. I thought it was before but I'm really thinking it now. I'll keep you posted. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 08:20, Richard Fish wrote: A grep -i smtp of the ethereal trace you sent me shows that you are connecting to mail.exceedtech.net (65.116.46.23) from 4.253.131.84 (dialup-4.253.131.84.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net). This doesn't look right...if exceedtech.net is your ISP you should be getting an address within their address space 65.116.(?). Anyway this is why they think you are relaying...you are not connecting from their network, and not sending email to an exceedtech.net address. Maybe you have something wrong in your dialup settings? Or maybe you can compare with what mail server KMail really contacts with an ethereal trace? -Richard I noticed the address looked funny too. They change it all the time though. You should have seen it when the hurricane hit and knocked out New Orleans. O_O I'm sending you a new ethreal that I used to send email with Kmail to the same address as the last one. Maybe you can notice something there. Thanks much for the help. If nothing else, maybe you can tell me what to tell them to fix. I think they are listening more after the mess today. My ISP is not huge but they are not tiny either. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 08:22, Richard Fish wrote: traceroute -n mail.exceedtech.net Usually traceroute does not work. They block it somewhere and I get a but ** stuff. Anyway, this one worked, for once. [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # traceroute -n mail.exceedtech.net traceroute to mail.exceedtech.net (65.116.46.23), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 63.152.9.43 121.969 ms 120.002 ms 123.893 ms 2 63.152.43.189 123.963 ms 119.943 ms 119.958 ms 3 63.152.126.13 156.027 ms 159.922 ms 155.967 ms 4 205.171.31.9 155.920 ms 156.014 ms 159.886 ms 5 205.171.8.146 175.994 ms 179.910 ms 176.014 ms 6 205.171.21.62 179.964 ms 175.912 ms 179.924 ms 7 65.116.32.158 208.034 ms 203.868 ms 207.972 ms 8 65.116.46.23 215.944 ms 211.945 ms 211.980 ms [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # That help any? That's a lot of hops for me to be connected to their server huh? I see what you are saying though. It would be like if I connected with the modem to my brother's Bell South account and tried to send exceedtech email. Bell South may not want to handle what is exceedtech's data, basically. Which may be a good thing to fight spam but it is not right now. I'm not a spammer, I just talk a lot. LOL Maybe I can explain this to them in the morning. Maybe they will fix this thing already. I'm going nuts here. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 09:58, Michael Sullivan wrote: dig belongs to bind-tools. It's in portage... We may need it before it is over. :/ Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Thursday 19 January 2006 05:41, Willie Wong wrote: Hum, is there a place in Mozilla to set your name/alias that goes in the From field for an e-mail? Can you double check that to see if you made a typo in the e-mail address or something? Sometimes ISPs reject mails sent to be relayed by their servers that neither originate nor end on their servers. Some ISPs may also require your alias to be a specific thing, eg your real name, or the same as your email address. Silly but true. -- JFMuggs I have a package that is distributed from the website as: SciPy-0.2.0_alpha_200.4161_src.tar.gz JFMuggs what's a sane way to name the ebuild for it? ciaranm JFMuggs: got a baseball bat and a rusty nail? JFMuggs ciaranm: that's not nice to do to people who are writing the code I need JFMuggs besides, klieber already suggested the moral equivalent 8) carpaski Doesn't involve fecees and a bag, does it? klieber no bag. saran wrap. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On 1/18/06, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 18 January 2006 08:22, Richard Fish wrote: traceroute -n mail.exceedtech.net Usually traceroute does not work. They block it somewhere and I get a but ** stuff. Anyway, this one worked, for once. Tell them to cut that sh*t out. Traceroute is far too useful of a debugging tool to be blocked by your ISP. Ok, so they don't want ICMP flooding...there are better ways of recognizing and defending against this... [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # traceroute -n mail.exceedtech.net traceroute to mail.exceedtech.net (65.116.46.23), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 63.152.9.43 121.969 ms 120.002 ms 123.893 ms 2 63.152.43.189 123.963 ms 119.943 ms 119.958 ms 3 63.152.126.13 156.027 ms 159.922 ms 155.967 ms 4 205.171.31.9 155.920 ms 156.014 ms 159.886 ms 5 205.171.8.146 175.994 ms 179.910 ms 176.014 ms 6 205.171.21.62 179.964 ms 175.912 ms 179.924 ms This is crazy...this is all on QWest's network. Was this from your home, or from your brother's house? Because it looks like you are still connecting through someone else's network! Maybe your first question to ask is whether exceedtech has their own access numbers, or whether they lease them from other companies. That is the only reason I can think of you would have a level-3 address in the morning, and a qwest address in the evening! That help any? That's a lot of hops for me to be connected to their server huh? The number of hops doesn't bother me...but the fact that you don't start out on an exceed.net address does. Here is what I get on Cox: carcharias rjf # traceroute smtp.west.cox.net traceroute to smtp.west.cox.net (68.6.19.4), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 192.168.2.1 (192.168.2.1) 1.151 ms 1.092 ms 1.087 ms 2 10.117.128.1 (10.117.128.1) 9.290 ms 8.108 ms 11.160 ms 3 ip68-2-6-93.ph.ph.cox.net (68.2.6.93) 33.443 ms 9.608 ms 15.850 ms 4 68.2.13.94 (68.2.13.94) 15.123 ms 10.373 ms 16.376 ms 5 68.2.13.9 (68.2.13.9) 8.174 ms 20.969 ms 15.987 ms 6 68.2.13.5 (68.2.13.5) 12.353 ms 11.337 ms 16.227 ms 7 * 68.2.13.1 (68.2.13.1) 12.494 ms 10.503 ms 8 68.2.14.65 (68.2.14.65) 43.162 ms 11.696 ms 14.463 ms 9 chndbbrc01-pos0103.rd.ph.cox.net (68.1.0.240) 9.944 ms 11.977 ms chndbbrc01-pos0101.rd.ph.cox.net (68.1.0.164) 17.020 ms 10 fed1bbrc02-pos0102.rd.sd.cox.net (68.1.0.167) 20.230 ms 19.743 ms 20.047 ms 11 fed1dsrj02-so000.rd.sd.cox.net (68.1.0.207) 20.614 ms 18.560 ms 20.005 ms 12 68.6.8.198 (68.6.8.198) 29.634 ms 18.571 ms 19.673 ms 13 172.18.176.1 (172.18.176.1) 25.442 ms 17.996 ms 20.621 ms 14 172.18.176.1 (172.18.176.1) 24.843 ms 18.762 ms 18.625 ms 15 172.18.176.1 (172.18.176.1) 21.634 ms 17.584 ms 21.471 ms 16 172.18.176.1 (172.18.176.1) 23.933 ms 17.406 ms 19.978 ms 17 172.18.176.1 (172.18.176.1) 21.458 ms 21.400 ms 18.633 ms 18 172.18.176.1 (172.18.176.1) 27.909 ms 19.177 ms 21.069 ms Ok, ignore the crazy routing loop at the end. The point is that after my firewall/gateway (192.168.2.1), and the modem (10.117.128.1), I am on cox's network. I see what you are saying though. It would be like if I cnnected with the modem to my brother's Bell South account and tried to send exceedtech email. Bell South may not want to handle what is exceedtech's data, basically. Close...it would be more accurate to say that exceedtech doesn't want bellsouth customers spoofing addresses and using exceedtech's mail server. Maybe I can explain this to them in the morning. Maybe they will fix this thing already. I'm going nuts here. Well, I think I can at least explain why KMail works and Mozilla fails. From the traces you sent me, kmail performs the following exchange: ~/Desktop grep SMTP ethereal-kmail Response: 220 mirus.exceedtech.net ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.8/8.12.8; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 Command: EHLO 0-1pool99-184.nas1.columbus1.ms.us.da.qwest.net Response: 250-mirus.exceedtech.net Hello 0-1pool99-184.nas1.columbus1.ms.us.da.qwest.net [65.136.99.184], pleased to meet you Command: MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SIZE=363 Response: 250 2.1.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Sender ok Message Body Response: 250 2.0.0 k0J39ewT002685 Message accepted for delivery Command: QUIT Response: 221 2.0.0 mirus.exceedtech.net closing connection While mozilla does: Response: 220 mirus.exceedtech.net ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.8/8.12.8; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:39:11 -0600\r\n Command: EHLO [4.253.131.84] Response: 250-mirus.exceedtech.net Hello dialup-4.253.131.84.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net [4.253.131.84], pleased to meet you Command: MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SIZE=382 Response: 250 2.1.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Sender ok Command: RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Response: 550 5.7.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Relaying denied Notice that mozilla actuall tells the mail server who you are sending mail to, while kmail does not, and it is that command that actually triggers the Relaying denied. I'm not sure what you can do about this...it isn't
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 22:10, Glenn Enright wrote: Some ISPs may also require your alias to be a specific thing, eg your real name, or the same as your email address. Silly but true. Can you tell me where this is? I read off to my ISP what I have in my settings and they said it was correct. Thing is, it works in Kmail, same settings too. That is what is so confusing to me, maybe everybody else too. I sent Richard a file with the data I captured with ethereal. Maybe he will see something. It's pretty large to post here. Me running out of ideas. Maybe they will help fix it tomorrow. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 22:04, Richard Fish wrote: On 1/18/06, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 18 January 2006 08:22, Richard Fish wrote: traceroute -n mail.exceedtech.net Usually traceroute does not work. They block it somewhere and I get a but ** stuff. Anyway, this one worked, for once. Tell them to cut that sh*t out. Traceroute is far too useful of a debugging tool to be blocked by your ISP. Ok, so they don't want ICMP flooding...there are better ways of recognizing and defending against this... Me agrees with that but it is blocked above them and they can't get them to stop it. It does tick me off sometimes too. [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # traceroute -n mail.exceedtech.net traceroute to mail.exceedtech.net (65.116.46.23), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 63.152.9.43 121.969 ms 120.002 ms 123.893 ms 2 63.152.43.189 123.963 ms 119.943 ms 119.958 ms 3 63.152.126.13 156.027 ms 159.922 ms 155.967 ms 4 205.171.31.9 155.920 ms 156.014 ms 159.886 ms 5 205.171.8.146 175.994 ms 179.910 ms 176.014 ms 6 205.171.21.62 179.964 ms 175.912 ms 179.924 ms This is crazy...this is all on QWest's network. Was this from your home, or from your brother's house? Because it looks like you are still connecting through someone else's network! Well, one thing has changed since this morning. They appear to have had a meltdown. They said they were having trouble with everybody when I called after my nap. I was here at home but they did give me a new number to dial in too. That may explain something. snip I'm not sure either. It sounds like Mozilla is doing what it should be doing and Kmail is not, if you look at it from the point of preventing spoofing and all. I'll point this out to them tomorrow. I'm not sure what you can do about this...it isn't wrong to send the RCPT TO command, so it doesn't seem to be a bug in mozilla. Possibly if you give this information (and maybe the ethereal traces) to exceedtech, they may be able to modify their mail server's configuration to compensate. Or you could try thunderbird... -Richard I like Mozilla so that I can right click on a link in a email and open it in a new tab instead of having 20 windows open at a time. I hate clutter in my puter. ;-) I tried Thunderbird once, wasn't for me. It may be better than Kmail but not that much. Will keep advised on what happens in the morning though. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
Hi again, sorry I didn't get back to you yesterday - I took my hard drive out last night and replaced it with a new one (plus a fresh install) and I only got it back up this morning. I think the traceroute and ethereal are the two leads to follow here: 1. why are you dialling into exceedtech but getting an ip address on the QWest network (according to Richard Fish - well spotted!) and 2. what is your mozilla setting: Mail Newsgroups Account Settings Outgoing Server (SMTP) Use name and password (is it ticked or not?) and what is the Server Name? Also, wrt to mozilla itself not starting - a) did you start it from the terminal or from a menu launcher? b) If from the terminal, did you get any output? c) Do you get the prompt back? d) What happens when you do `ps aux | grep mozilla` while mozilla is in it's won't start phase?. HTH, -- Iain. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 23:33, Iain Buchanan wrote: Hi again, sorry I didn't get back to you yesterday - I took my hard drive out last night and replaced it with a new one (plus a fresh install) and I only got it back up this morning. I think the traceroute and ethereal are the two leads to follow here: 1. why are you dialling into exceedtech but getting an ip address on the QWest network (according to Richard Fish - well spotted!) I think my ISP is just second handing their accounts. I picked up on this before when I was having trouble connecting a good while back. The email server IS theirs though. The rest belongs to some other company, I think. I may be wrong. and 2. what is your mozilla setting: Mail Newsgroups Account Settings Outgoing Server (SMTP) Use name and password (is it ticked or not?) and what is the Server Name? I read off to my ISP what I have it set to. They said it is correct. I'll shoot you a screenshot to you directly, if I don't forget. I do that too sometimes. May need to remind me. LOL Also, wrt to mozilla itself not starting - a) did you start it from the terminal or from a menu launcher? b) If from the terminal, did you get any output? c) Do you get the prompt back? d) What happens when you do `ps aux | grep mozilla` while mozilla is in it's won't start phase?. HTH, -- Iain. I tried starting it from both the menu and from a Konsole. I was reading a thread about someone getting gnome stuff of their system. Holly mentioned that Mozilla needed some gnome stuff to work. I removed a lot of gnome stuff just before Mozilla stop opening. I fixed this by doing this: I did a fresh install the other day. After I emerged kde-meta, I emerged mozilla. I noticed there were about 8 or 9 other packages that were pulled in. I got curious. After I booted into the OLD OS, I mounted the partition of the NEW install and went digging in the emerge log. I picked out the packages that it installed and then installed them on my OLD OS. After that, Mozilla works fine. Most likely, I unmerged something that Mozilla needed. Oh, revdep-rebuild did NOT catch it either. I'm not sure if it should, just saying it didn't. My Mozilla works fine now so that is not a problem. It does not send email though, well, unless it is to myself. LOL I'm supposed to talk to my ISP tomorrow. I'll let you guys know what happens. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
Hi, On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 22:17 -0600, Dale wrote: [snip] sorry I didn't read your original post, I didn't think I could help. I haven't read your original thread, so I don't know if someone has suggested this already. I get this problem when I try to send mail to, say, [EMAIL PROTECTED] from [EMAIL PROTECTED] account when I'm actually not connected through isp.com, but rather through a 3rd party isp. This is called relaying, which spammers look for because it enables anyone to send spam, and hence any good isp should block it. What you can try is: 1. Make sure you're actually on your isp.com network - get the ip address of their mail server, and get your ip address and see. 2. Enable passwords with your mail client - not just to check mail, but to send mail as well. (With evolution its in Edit Prefs Mail Accounts (select account) edit Sending Mail Authentication. It looks like you're using mozilla though...) HTH, and as I said, I hope this wasn't already mentioned in the original thread... -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Do not count your chickens before they are hatched. -- Aesop -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On 1/17/06, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi guys.
The last thread seemed to have went off base due to more than one problem at a
time. I just finished a new install on another hard drive. I now have a
working Mozilla, it opens now anyway. I still get the same error when
sending emails I used to have though. Here it is again:
An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: 5.7.1
whatever email address I am trying to send to Relaying denied. Please
verify that your email address is correct in your Mail preferences and try
again.
This message typically occurs when the SMTP server doesn't trust you,
either because you are using an email address not from their domain,
or contacting the mail server from outside their network. It might
also mean you have to authenticate with their mail server, using your
account login and password.
If the above doesn't help, maybe seeing your mail configuration would help:
find ~/.mozilla -name prefs.js -exec grep mail.smtpserver {} \;
-Richard
To recap a bit. I have a problem sending email to anyone outside my ISPs
network. I can't send to a yahoo, or my brothers Bell South account and some
others too. I can send a email to my ISPs customer service and other users
there.
I have called my ISP and they have no problems with any other customer. I did
copy over my /home directory. I also tried setting up a new user with a
empty user directory and then tried to send a email that way, same error.
Earlier today when I was talking to my ISP, I got them to set up a new account
for me to test with. I can't send any email with it either. So after
setting up a new user on my end and setting up a new account on their end, I
have no clue what to try next. Kmail is working for the moment, that's how I
am sending this one.
I plan to try my brothers ISP tonight. I want to see if I can send with it.
He uses Bell South.
What else can I try? I have no clue what is wrong here. Please don't tell me
to use windoze. I'm seriously considering installing Mandrake 9.1 and
testing that. It was buggy but it worked. It may be worth testing anyway.
Let me know if you need more info. I'll post whatever you want, short of my
password. LOL
Thanks for the help. I'm open to ideas here.
Dale
:-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Tuesday 17 January 2006 22:48, Iain Buchanan wrote: snip What you can try is: 1. Make sure you're actually on your isp.com network - get the ip address of their mail server, and get your ip address and see. 2. Enable passwords with your mail client - not just to check mail, but to send mail as well. (With evolution its in Edit Prefs Mail Accounts (select account) edit Sending Mail Authentication. It looks like you're using mozilla though...) HTH, and as I said, I hope this wasn't already mentioned in the original thread... -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Do not count your chickens before they are hatched. -- Aesop I do connect directly to my ISP. I have even tried different numbers to dial into and get the same error. How would I get the IP address of the mail server though? I know how to get mine. I assume ifconfig would tell me. Also, keep in mind that Kmail works at least at the moment anyway. It does come up and ask for a password when I connect the first time. I tell it to store the password so I don't have to type it in each time. Those would be a good start though. This is getting weird. Thanks and let me know on the IP address. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Tuesday 17 January 2006 23:00, Richard Fish wrote:
find ~/.mozilla -name prefs.js -exec grep mail.smtpserver {} \;
This is on my old install.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / # find home/dale/.mozilla -name prefs.js -exec grep
mail.smtpserver {} \;
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.auth_method, 1);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.hostname, mail.exceedtech.net);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.port, 25);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.try_ssl, 0);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.username, dalek);
user_pref(mail.smtpservers, smtp1);
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / #
This is from the new install that I mounted on /mnt/gentoo, you know, like in
the install guide. LOL
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / # find /mnt/gentoo/home/dale/.mozilla -name prefs.js -exec
grep
mail.smtpserver {} \;
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.auth_method, 1);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.hostname, mail.exceedtech.net);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.port, 25);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.try_ssl, 0);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.username, dalek);
user_pref(mail.smtpservers, smtp1);
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / #
Well, this may explain why neither one works. They are the same. Does that
look right?? I just thought of something. My new install has two accounts,
the dalek one and my new one rdalek. Where's rdalek?? I'm going to change
later and get rid of some spam, I hope.
I had to fill in the user directories since I was logged in as root. Root
don't have a .mozilla directory.
I'm open to trying something here. I'm going to check my brothers ISP in a
few more hours. If it works, something fishy at my ISP. If not, I have a
problem here, and no clue what to do.
Thanks for the help. Keep those ideas coming.
Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 23:12 -0600, Dale wrote: On Tuesday 17 January 2006 22:48, Iain Buchanan wrote: What you can try is: 1. Make sure you're actually on your isp.com network - get the ip address of their mail server, and get your ip address and see. I do connect directly to my ISP. I have even tried different numbers to dial into and get the same error. How would I get the IP address of the mail server though? I know how to get mine. I assume ifconfig would tell me. Get the mail server (that you entered in you mail preferences), eg mail.isp.com and type `dig mail.isp.com`. (dig is part of For your ip address, I'm interested in your real world ip, but don't post it here!! ifconfig will get it IFF your using a modem, or pci-adsl, but if you have a networked modem/router, you'll need to connect to its status page to see what ip address you have. They should be similar, however many isps have a few ip addresses that may not be ranged together. Looking at your other posts though, I don't know that this will help... 2. Enable passwords with your mail client - not just to check mail, but to send mail as well. (With evolution its in Edit Prefs Mail Accounts (select account) edit Sending Mail Authentication. It looks like you're using mozilla though...) Also, keep in mind that Kmail works at least at the moment anyway. really? hmmm... I don't have kmail installed so I don't know how it works. Can you look through the configuration to see if you can turn authentication on for sending mail? Finally, you could do some sniffing with ethereal. Make a capture filter so you don't get other junk, eg host mail.exceedtech.net and then post the text-capture here. Your isp may be giving out a different error which kmail is translating for you... post back if you need more help with ethereal. -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Sometimes a feeling is all we humans have to go on. -- Kirk, A Taste of Armageddon, stardate 3193.9 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Tuesday 17 January 2006 23:48, Iain Buchanan wrote: Get the mail server (that you entered in you mail preferences), eg mail.isp.com and type `dig mail.isp.com`. (dig is part of For your ip address, I'm interested in your real world ip, but don't post it here!! ifconfig will get it IFF your using a modem, or pci-adsl, but if you have a networked modem/router, you'll need to connect to its status page to see what ip address you have. Is dig a command? I don't have it if it is. Keep in mind that I CAN send email just not to anyone outside my ISP and only with Mozilla. Kmail WILL send email on both OSs. I did get a error sometimes but Mozilla is consistant about his one. BTW, I did do a emerge -C mozilla and back up one version, still nothing. I have not done the older version on the new install though. I can if you want me too. They should be similar, however many isps have a few ip addresses that may not be ranged together. Looking at your other posts though, I don't know that this will help... really? hmmm... I don't have kmail installed so I don't know how it works. Can you look through the configuration to see if you can turn authentication on for sending mail? I did have to put in my password for Kmail. I think they do the same way. It's just that Mozilla don't work is all. Well, on this OS, Mozilla won't even open. But it won't email on my new OS either. If this confuses you, let me know. I'll post a better explaination. Finally, you could do some sniffing with ethereal. Make a capture filter so you don't get other junk, eg host mail.exceedtech.net and then post the text-capture here. Your isp may be giving out a different error which kmail is translating for you... post back if you need more help with ethereal. I did capture some data with ethereal before. I'm going to try to do that from my new install. I'm in my old install right now. I'm not sure why though. Habit I guess. I can't capture it here because Mozilla no longer works at all on this OS. Oh, what is UPSMON called now? I need to install it on my new OS but I can't find it. Even emerge -s ups didn't return it. Did they remove it? I'm going to boot the new OS, install ethereal then post from there, if I can. LOL Seriously, thanks for the help here. I'm totally lost. This is just to weird for me. I hope I am making sense. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
Hi, In my haste to reply, I think I confused myself a bit (and you :) On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 00:05 -0600, Dale wrote: On Tuesday 17 January 2006 23:48, Iain Buchanan wrote: Get the mail server (that you entered in you mail preferences), eg mail.isp.com and type `dig mail.isp.com`. (dig is part of For your ip [snip] I started typing (dig is part of bind-tools) but I forgot I was editing my email in the middle... Anyway, I think that's barking up the wrong tree, although you could try it if you feel like doing the exercise! I don't have kmail installed so I don't know how it works. Can you look through the configuration to see if you can turn authentication on for sending mail? I did have to put in my password for Kmail. I think they do the same way. It's just that Mozilla don't work is all. Well, on this OS, Mozilla won't even open. But it won't email on my new OS either. If this confuses you, let me know. I'll post a better explaination. oh yeah, its mozilla that doesn't work... *hit self on head* In your mozilla mail and newsgroup account settings what options do you have set for outgoing server(smtp)? Finally, you could do some sniffing with ethereal. I did capture some data with ethereal before. I'm going to try to do that from my new install. ok. I'll wait and see. Oh, what is UPSMON called now? `esearch ups` shows (among others): dev-perl/Business-UPS net-misc/ups-monitor sys-power/apcupsd esearch is part of the package esearch (surprise surprise) its not the favourite portage search cache, but I like it. I need to install it on my new OS but I can't find it. Even emerge -s ups didn't return it. Did they remove it? try `emerge -S ups` - the uppercase S will search descriptions as well. Seriously, thanks for the help here. I'm totally lost. This is just to weird for me. I hope I am making sense. no worries. hope we can get somewhere... -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Programmers used to batch environments may find it hard to live without giant listings; we would find it hard to use them. -- D.M. Ritchie -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 01:07, Iain Buchanan wrote: oh yeah, its mozilla that doesn't work... *hit self on head* In your mozilla mail and newsgroup account settings what options do you have set for outgoing server(smtp)? I have the same setting I use for Kmail actually. server is mail.exceedtech.net on port 25. It is set to use user name and password and secure connection is set to no. I tried the others, it puked on me. Keep in mind that I can send to say [EMAIL PROTECTED]dotnet just fine. I can send to people that work there as well, even the owner. I can even email myself. It is just when I try to send to someone else outside exceedtech that it fails. I can see it connect and the data going over ppp on gkrellm and all. I just keep getting that error. Kmail seems to work great on the new install. I can send to anybody with it. Confusing huh Thanks Dale :-) I still have to figure out the nvidia problem too. This nv driver sucks. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
