Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails [SOLVED]

[Michael Scherer]

Hi all,

I promised to tell you when I cracked this nasty little
problem of mine, though it's somewhat embarrassing
for me:

in short, don't put shell scripts called ld or cc in your
/usr/local/bin.
I had an ld script to give me lists of directories
in a certain format and then forgot about its
existence, until I had the happy idea to type 'ld'
on the command line to see what would happen.

at least now I know that I've really grown old.

again, thank you for all your efforts to help me.

kind regards, michael

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[luis jure]

on 2012-05-14 at 08:52 ny6...@gmail.com wrote:

9. DO NOT TOP-POST and DO trim your replies!!! 

why don't you observe these yourself? you quoted the whole message you
replied to, which itself contained another full quote, which itself...

many people here complain against top-posting, but few observe the DO
trim your replies rule. see below, from your own post:

Posting a me too comment at the bottom of a 100+ line message is no
better because people, have to scroll all the way down through 100+ lines
they've already read in order to see your one-liner. One word comes to
mind for that: frustrating.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[luis jure]

on 2012-05-14 at 22:54 Alan McKinnon wrote:

 (getting old...)

you don't say, really? what a coincidence, it's happening to me too.
anyone else getting older around here? is anyone actually getting
*younger*?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[ny6p01]

On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 08:18:32AM -0300, luis jure wrote:
 on 2012-05-14 at 08:52 ny6...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 9. DO NOT TOP-POST and DO trim your replies!!! 
 
 why don't you observe these yourself? you quoted the whole message you
 replied to, which itself contained another full quote, which itself...
 
 many people here complain against top-posting, but few observe the DO
 trim your replies rule. see below, from your own post:
 
 Posting a me too comment at the bottom of a 100+ line message is no
 better because people, have to scroll all the way down through 100+ lines
 they've already read in order to see your one-liner. One word comes to
 mind for that: frustrating.
 

Thank you for the timely reminder. It _was_ an error on my part.

Terry

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Pandu Poluan]

On May 23, 2012 9:14 AM, Michael Scherer a6702...@unet.univie.ac.at
wrote:

 On Thu, 17 May 2012 22:59:41 +0200
 Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote:

  Michael Scherer writes:
 
   1) make output:
  
 CHK include/linux/version.h
 CHK include/generated/utsrelease.h
 CALLscripts/checksyscalls.sh
 CHK include/generated/compile.h
 LD  init/mounts.o
   ls -Al -m elf_x86_64 -r -o init/mounts.o init/do_mounts.o
   init/do_mounts_initrd.o init/mounts.o: No such file or directory
   make[1]: *** [init/mounts.o] Error 1
   make: *** [init] Error 2
  
   There is an LD, the ls line is part of the error message.
 
  But the options look really more like ld options to me. How this could
  possibly happen, I don't know. Some overriding of $(LD) perhaps? Does
  env | egrep -i 'ls|ld' show something weird? Does it also fail as a
  non-root user, after you copied the stuff over to somewhere where this
  user can write? Just grasping at straws here.
 
 
   But without doubt you are right that mounts.o is not built, for
   whatever reason.
 
  Because ld should build it from init/do_mounts.o, but ls is being
  called instead?
 
   The build command
  
   init/.do_mounts.o.cmd:cmd_init/do_mounts.o := gcc
   -Wp,-MD,init/.do_mounts.o.d -nostdinc
   -isystem /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.5.3/include
   -I/usr/src/linux-3.2.12-gentoo/arch/x86/include
   -Iarch/x86/include/generated -Iinclude
   -include /usr/src/linux-3.2.12-gentoo/include/linux/kconfig.h
   -D__KERNEL__ -Wall -Wundef -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs
   -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common
   -Werror-implicit-function-declaration -Wno-format-security
   -fno-delete-null-pointer-checks -O2 -m64 -march=k8 -mno-red-zone
   -mcmodel=kernel -funit-at-a-time -maccumulate-outgoing-args
   -fstack-protector -DCONFIG_AS_CFI=1 -DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SIGNAL_FRAME=1
   -DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SECTIONS=1 -DCONFIG_AS_FXSAVEQ=1 -pipe
   -Wno-sign-compare -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -mno-sse -mno-mmx
   -mno-sse2 -mno-3dnow -Wframe-larger-than=2048
   -fno-omit-frame-pointer -fno-optimize-sibling-calls
   -fno-inline-functions-called-once -Wdeclaration-after-statement
   -Wno-pointer-sign -fno-strict-overflow -fconserve-stack
   -DCC_HAVE_ASM_GOTO -DKBUILD_STR(s)=\#s
   -DKBUILD_BASENAME=KBUILD_STR(do_mounts)
   -DKBUILD_MODNAME=KBUILD_STR(mounts) -c -o init/do_mounts.o
   init/do_mounts.c
  
   contains a directive to build mounts.o, see second last line, but
   it for some reason this is ignored.
   Maybe there is a flaw in that command, only I can't find it.
 
  Neither can I. Is this command executed at all? If you maybe replace
  the 'gcc' by 'gccXXX', does this give an error? Or put an 'echo' in
  front of the gcc'.
  You can try 'make -d', this will give you LOTS of debug output, but I
  don't think you will see the actual commands then.
 
Wonko
 

 Now at last there is some kind of progress. Last thing I tried was
 replacing my current .config with that of my previous kernel (3.2.1-r2)
 and at least the make ran all the way up to the point where it should
 link everything to build vmlinux, only now it tells me it couldn't
 find vmlinux.o.

 The last couple of lines from the make output:

  CC  arch/x86/lib/cache-smp.o
  CC  arch/x86/lib/msr.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/msr-reg.o
  CC  arch/x86/lib/msr-reg-export.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/iomap_copy_64.o
  LD  arch/x86/lib/built-in.o
 ls -Al -m elf_x86_64 -r -o arch/x86/lib/built-in.o
 arch/x86/lib/msr-smp.o arch/x86/lib/cache-smp.o arch/x86/lib/msr.o
 arch/x86/lib/msr-reg.o arch/x86/lib/msr-reg-export.o
 arch/x86/lib/iomap_copy_64.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/clear_page_64.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/cmpxchg16b_emu.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/copy_page_64.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/copy_user_64.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/copy_user_nocache_64.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/csum-copy_64.o
  CC  arch/x86/lib/csum-partial_64.o
  CC  arch/x86/lib/csum-wrappers_64.o
  CC  arch/x86/lib/delay.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/getuser.o
  GEN arch/x86/lib/inat-tables.c
  CC  arch/x86/lib/inat.o
  CC  arch/x86/lib/insn.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/memcpy_64.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/memmove_64.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/memset_64.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/putuser.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/rwlock.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/rwsem.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/thunk_64.o
  CC  arch/x86/lib/usercopy.o
  CC  arch/x86/lib/usercopy_64.o
  AR  arch/x86/lib/lib.a
  LD  vmlinux.o
 ls -Al -m elf_x86_64 -r -o vmlinux.o arch/x86/kernel/head_64.o
 arch/x86/kernel/head64.o arch/x86/kernel/head.o
 arch/x86/kernel/init_task.o init/built-in.o --start-group
 usr/built-in.o arch/x86/built-in.o kernel/built-in.o mm/built-in.o
 fs/built-in.o ipc/built-in.o security/built-in.o crypto/built-in.o
 block/built-in.o lib/lib.a arch/x86/lib/lib.a lib/built-in.o
 arch/x86/lib/built-in.o drivers/built-in.o sound/built-in.o
 firmware/built-in.o arch/x86/pci/built-in.o arch/x86/power/built-in.o
 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Michael Scherer]

On Thu, 17 May 2012 22:59:41 +0200
Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote:

 Michael Scherer writes:
 
  1) make output:
  
CHK include/linux/version.h
CHK include/generated/utsrelease.h
CALLscripts/checksyscalls.sh
CHK include/generated/compile.h
LD  init/mounts.o
  ls -Al -m elf_x86_64 -r -o init/mounts.o init/do_mounts.o
  init/do_mounts_initrd.o init/mounts.o: No such file or directory
  make[1]: *** [init/mounts.o] Error 1
  make: *** [init] Error 2
  
  There is an LD, the ls line is part of the error message.
 
 But the options look really more like ld options to me. How this could
 possibly happen, I don't know. Some overriding of $(LD) perhaps? Does
 env | egrep -i 'ls|ld' show something weird? Does it also fail as a
 non-root user, after you copied the stuff over to somewhere where this
 user can write? Just grasping at straws here.
 
 
  But without doubt you are right that mounts.o is not built, for
  whatever reason.
 
 Because ld should build it from init/do_mounts.o, but ls is being
 called instead?
 
  The build command
  
  init/.do_mounts.o.cmd:cmd_init/do_mounts.o := gcc
  -Wp,-MD,init/.do_mounts.o.d -nostdinc
  -isystem /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.5.3/include
  -I/usr/src/linux-3.2.12-gentoo/arch/x86/include
  -Iarch/x86/include/generated -Iinclude
  -include /usr/src/linux-3.2.12-gentoo/include/linux/kconfig.h
  -D__KERNEL__ -Wall -Wundef -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs
  -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common
  -Werror-implicit-function-declaration -Wno-format-security
  -fno-delete-null-pointer-checks -O2 -m64 -march=k8 -mno-red-zone
  -mcmodel=kernel -funit-at-a-time -maccumulate-outgoing-args
  -fstack-protector -DCONFIG_AS_CFI=1 -DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SIGNAL_FRAME=1
  -DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SECTIONS=1 -DCONFIG_AS_FXSAVEQ=1 -pipe
  -Wno-sign-compare -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -mno-sse -mno-mmx
  -mno-sse2 -mno-3dnow -Wframe-larger-than=2048
  -fno-omit-frame-pointer -fno-optimize-sibling-calls
  -fno-inline-functions-called-once -Wdeclaration-after-statement
  -Wno-pointer-sign -fno-strict-overflow -fconserve-stack
  -DCC_HAVE_ASM_GOTO -DKBUILD_STR(s)=\#s
  -DKBUILD_BASENAME=KBUILD_STR(do_mounts)
  -DKBUILD_MODNAME=KBUILD_STR(mounts) -c -o init/do_mounts.o
  init/do_mounts.c
  
  contains a directive to build mounts.o, see second last line, but
  it for some reason this is ignored.
  Maybe there is a flaw in that command, only I can't find it.
 
 Neither can I. Is this command executed at all? If you maybe replace
 the 'gcc' by 'gccXXX', does this give an error? Or put an 'echo' in
 front of the gcc'.
 You can try 'make -d', this will give you LOTS of debug output, but I
 don't think you will see the actual commands then.
 
   Wonko
 

Now at last there is some kind of progress. Last thing I tried was
replacing my current .config with that of my previous kernel (3.2.1-r2)
and at least the make ran all the way up to the point where it should
link everything to build vmlinux, only now it tells me it couldn't
find vmlinux.o.

The last couple of lines from the make output:

  CC  arch/x86/lib/cache-smp.o
  CC  arch/x86/lib/msr.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/msr-reg.o
  CC  arch/x86/lib/msr-reg-export.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/iomap_copy_64.o
  LD  arch/x86/lib/built-in.o
ls -Al -m elf_x86_64 -r -o arch/x86/lib/built-in.o
arch/x86/lib/msr-smp.o arch/x86/lib/cache-smp.o arch/x86/lib/msr.o
arch/x86/lib/msr-reg.o arch/x86/lib/msr-reg-export.o
arch/x86/lib/iomap_copy_64.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/clear_page_64.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/cmpxchg16b_emu.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/copy_page_64.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/copy_user_64.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/copy_user_nocache_64.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/csum-copy_64.o
  CC  arch/x86/lib/csum-partial_64.o
  CC  arch/x86/lib/csum-wrappers_64.o
  CC  arch/x86/lib/delay.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/getuser.o
  GEN arch/x86/lib/inat-tables.c
  CC  arch/x86/lib/inat.o
  CC  arch/x86/lib/insn.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/memcpy_64.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/memmove_64.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/memset_64.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/putuser.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/rwlock.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/rwsem.o
  AS  arch/x86/lib/thunk_64.o
  CC  arch/x86/lib/usercopy.o
  CC  arch/x86/lib/usercopy_64.o
  AR  arch/x86/lib/lib.a
  LD  vmlinux.o
ls -Al -m elf_x86_64 -r -o vmlinux.o arch/x86/kernel/head_64.o
arch/x86/kernel/head64.o arch/x86/kernel/head.o
arch/x86/kernel/init_task.o init/built-in.o --start-group
usr/built-in.o arch/x86/built-in.o kernel/built-in.o mm/built-in.o
fs/built-in.o ipc/built-in.o security/built-in.o crypto/built-in.o
block/built-in.o lib/lib.a arch/x86/lib/lib.a lib/built-in.o
arch/x86/lib/built-in.o drivers/built-in.o sound/built-in.o
firmware/built-in.o arch/x86/pci/built-in.o arch/x86/power/built-in.o
arch/x86/video/built-in.o net/built-in.o --end-group
 MODPOST vmlinux.o
  vmlinux.o: No such file or directory make[1]: ***
  [vmlinux.o] Error 1 make: *** 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Joshua Murphy]

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de wrote:
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 On 17.05.2012 22:13, Michael Scherer wrote:


 1) make output:

 CHK     include/linux/version.h CHK
 include/generated/utsrelease.h CALL    scripts/checksyscalls.sh CHK
 include/generated/compile.h LD      init/mounts.o ls -Al -m
 elf_x86_64 -r -o init/mounts.o init/do_mounts.o
 init/do_mounts_initrd.o init/mounts.o: No such file or directory
 make[1]: *** [init/mounts.o] Error 1 make: *** [init] Error 2

 There is an LD, the ls line is part of the error message.



 contains a directive to build mounts.o, see second last line, but
 it for some reason this is ignored. Maybe there is a flaw in that
 command, only I can't find it.

 regards, michael



 Have you tried a make clean on your sourcetree?

 CHK     include/linux/version.h

 IS for me one of the first lines I get at all. It seems strange to me
 that you get a call to the linker (LD) before even a call to the
 compiler (CC).

 I'd suggest you try a make clean first and try to build again
 afterwards (with -j1 or without a statement for jobs) to rule out race
 conditions.

 If that doesn't help, move your kernel sources to another directory
 and reemerge the sources. Copy your .config (ideally one of a working
 tree) and try again. If that doesn't help, try to get a working
 default config (like from /proc/config.gz from a live distro).

 WKR

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I'd be more active and vocal in trying to help sort this out, but it's
been a busy week since the 1k mile trip to get a car and working on
getting it into the shape I want it in... that aside, I *did* manage
to, without any changes, drop in the config provided at the start of
all this into a gentoo-sources 3.2.12 tree (after a quick mrproper)
and it built without issues. To me, that indicates that the toolchain,
particular copy of the sources, or hardware have an issue. That the
problem is as consistent as it is while the rest of the system isn't
failing in horrifying ways implies it's not the hardware. The
resulting modules and kernel from my building it can be grabbed from
http://poisonbl.freeshell.org/3.2.12_test.tar.bz2

-- 
Poison [BLX]
Joshua M. Murphy

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Arttu V.]

I have no surefire solution, but so far everyone and their $PET seems
to have taken for granted that your toolchain is just fine and sane.
Perhaps emerge -e @system (without ccache, distcc or other
distractions) would jiggle those bits again?

-- 
Arttu V.

On 5/19/12, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Am Montag, 14. Mai 2012, 19:46:39 schrieb Dale:
 Alan McKinnon wrote:
  On Mon, 14 May 2012 12:13:18 -0500
 
  Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
  For example:  Alan, Mike, Pandu, Mark, Neil and me are the top posters
  on this list.
 
  Yo Dale,
 
  You might want to re-calibrate your stats engine :-)
 
  I've been quiet for a while (getting old...)[1] and fifty bucks says
  Michael, Canek, Pandu and a couple more have all posted more than me
  this year
 
  [1] Well, that's my story and I'm sticking with it

 Maybe like me, you blabber more than you think:

 http://archives.gentoo.org/stats/gentoo-user-per-year.xml

 I didn't put them in any certain order but you have fallen a bit tho.
 Someone put alum in your water or something?



 while I am somehow glad to be part of the Top 20 since 2005, I am even more

 happy, that I am not a regular Top5 poster.



 --
 #163933

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Willie WY Wong]

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:01:00AM -0700, Penguin Lover Mark Knecht squawked:
  Maybe like me, you blabber more than you think:
 
  http://archives.gentoo.org/stats/gentoo-user-per-year.xml
 
 Jeez Am I _STILL_ showing up on this list of high posting people?
 I've honestly worked to get below number 10 and I cannot get there
 apparently... (Too many posts like this I suppose!) ;-)
 

Ah, another year, yet another new e-mail address. This certainly
helped keep me under the radar. I am quite surprised that I appeared
at all on that list, though I suppose my verbosity level has decreased
as I aged. 

Cheers,

W
-- 
Data aequatione quotcunque fluentes quantitae involvente fluxiones invenire 
 et vice versa   ~~~  I. Newton

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am Montag, 14. Mai 2012, 19:46:39 schrieb Dale:
 Alan McKinnon wrote:
  On Mon, 14 May 2012 12:13:18 -0500
  
  Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
  For example:  Alan, Mike, Pandu, Mark, Neil and me are the top posters
  on this list.
  
  Yo Dale,
  
  You might want to re-calibrate your stats engine :-)
  
  I've been quiet for a while (getting old...)[1] and fifty bucks says
  Michael, Canek, Pandu and a couple more have all posted more than me
  this year
  
  [1] Well, that's my story and I'm sticking with it
 
 Maybe like me, you blabber more than you think:
 
 http://archives.gentoo.org/stats/gentoo-user-per-year.xml
 
 I didn't put them in any certain order but you have fallen a bit tho.
 Someone put alum in your water or something?
 
 

while I am somehow glad to be part of the Top 20 since 2005, I am even more 
happy, that I am not a regular Top5 poster. 



-- 
#163933

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Michael Scherer]

On Wed, 16 May 2012 07:41:32 +0700
Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:

 On May 15, 2012 7:50 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Maybe like me, you blabber more than you think:
 
  http://archives.gentoo.org/stats/gentoo-user-per-year.xml
 
  I didn't put them in any certain order but you have fallen a bit
  tho. Someone put alum in your water or something?
 
 
 I blabbed that much??
 
 Gee... I purposefully stay away from piping up in threads related to
 CUPS, KDE, Gnome, and other desktop-only stuff, and still end up in
 the top 5?? o_O
 
 Rgds,

OK, OK. May I remind you what started this thread?
If bottom-most is really that important to you, I will
of course comply, though with outlook express which I'm
forced to use most of the time this is a bit tedious.
I had no idea what a flood of angry comments my post
on preferring top-most would start off.

My original problem (see title) is as yet unsolved. Any one
out there with an idea what might be causing this?
I'm grateful to those 3 or 4 who tried to help, but
by now I'm rather desperate and in the whole of internet
pages there is nothing even coming near.

bugzilla told me this wasn't a bug and go to the forums.
So you are really my last resort.

regards, michael

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Dale]

Michael Scherer wrote:
 On Wed, 16 May 2012 07:41:32 +0700
 Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
 
 On May 15, 2012 7:50 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maybe like me, you blabber more than you think:

 http://archives.gentoo.org/stats/gentoo-user-per-year.xml

 I didn't put them in any certain order but you have fallen a bit
 tho. Someone put alum in your water or something?


 I blabbed that much??

 Gee... I purposefully stay away from piping up in threads related to
 CUPS, KDE, Gnome, and other desktop-only stuff, and still end up in
 the top 5?? o_O

 Rgds,
 
 OK, OK. May I remind you what started this thread?
 If bottom-most is really that important to you, I will
 of course comply, though with outlook express which I'm
 forced to use most of the time this is a bit tedious.
 I had no idea what a flood of angry comments my post
 on preferring top-most would start off.
 
 My original problem (see title) is as yet unsolved. Any one
 out there with an idea what might be causing this?
 I'm grateful to those 3 or 4 who tried to help, but
 by now I'm rather desperate and in the whole of internet
 pages there is nothing even coming near.
 
 bugzilla told me this wasn't a bug and go to the forums.
 So you are really my last resort.
 
 regards, michael
 
 


I would start with running make -j1  make modules_install.  Someone
else posted it could be a race condition.

Are you editing the config by hand or are you using menuconfig or some
such tool?  If editing by hand maybe one thing is enabled but something
else it needs is not.

Still thinking.

Dale

:-)  :-)


-- 
I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or
how you interpreted my words!

Miss the compile output?  Hint:
EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 17 May 2012 18:14:20 +0200, Michael Scherer wrote:

 I had no idea what a flood of angry comments my post
 on preferring top-most would start off.

It wasn't your preference, it was your attitude, with this comment

from now on I'm going follow my habits and damn the flames.

Did you really have no idea that such an arrogant and inflammatory
statement would produce a reaction?


-- 
Neil Bothwick

She's fine, upstanding, and wonderful laying down.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Tanstaafl]

On 2012-05-17 12:14 PM, Michael Scherer a6702...@unet.univie.ac.at wrote:

If bottom-most is really that important to you, I will of course
comply, though with outlook express which I'm forced to use most of
the time this is a bit tedious.


Interesting... so, you have someone standing next to you most of the 
time, pointing a gun at your head, forcing you to use one of the worst 
mail clients that ever existed?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Pandu Poluan]

On May 17, 2012 11:19 PM, Michael Scherer a6702...@unet.univie.ac.at
wrote:

 On Wed, 16 May 2012 07:41:32 +0700
 Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:

  On May 15, 2012 7:50 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Maybe like me, you blabber more than you think:
  
   http://archives.gentoo.org/stats/gentoo-user-per-year.xml
  
   I didn't put them in any certain order but you have fallen a bit
   tho. Someone put alum in your water or something?
  
 
  I blabbed that much??
 
  Gee... I purposefully stay away from piping up in threads related to
  CUPS, KDE, Gnome, and other desktop-only stuff, and still end up in
  the top 5?? o_O
 
  Rgds,

 OK, OK. May I remind you what started this thread?
 If bottom-most is really that important to you, I will
 of course comply, though with outlook express which I'm
 forced to use most of the time this is a bit tedious.
 I had no idea what a flood of angry comments my post
 on preferring top-most would start off.

 My original problem (see title) is as yet unsolved. Any one
 out there with an idea what might be causing this?
 I'm grateful to those 3 or 4 who tried to help, but
 by now I'm rather desperate and in the whole of internet
 pages there is nothing even coming near.

 bugzilla told me this wasn't a bug and go to the forums.
 So you are really my last resort.

 regards, michael


Based on the information you've given, there can be only 2 possible cause:

1. The Makefile is somehow b0rken.

Evidence : 'ls' instead of 'ld'

2. Some file creation failed, causing the next step to fail.

Please post the output of 'df -i'. I once ran out of inodes during kernel
compile, even when the filesystem (ext4) was created with IIRC
100'000-something inodes (and still having several gigabytes of free
space).

Nowadays, I put /usr/src and portage's tempdir on a reiserfs to prevent
running out of inodes.

3. Something is wrong with your filesystem.

Especially if /usr/src is *already* on reiserfs. In this case, boot using
SystemRescueCD and do an offline fsck on the partition containing /usr/src

4. Swapfile / Swap partition problems.

Even with enough RAM, sometimes gcc just wants a swap. Post the output of
'swapon -s' please.

And there's also the possibility that somehow the swap gets b0rked. Try
turning off swap, rebuild the swap, and turning it back on.

Rgds,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Michael Scherer]

On Thu, 17 May 2012 18:13:14 +0100
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:

 On Thu, 17 May 2012 18:14:20 +0200, Michael Scherer wrote:
 
  I had no idea what a flood of angry comments my post
  on preferring top-most would start off.
 
 It wasn't your preference, it was your attitude, with this comment
 
 from now on I'm going follow my habits and damn the flames.
 
 Did you really have no idea that such an arrogant and inflammatory
 statement would produce a reaction?
 
 

That line was indeed ill conceived, and is usually not my style.
Probably I was very tired and the frustration about not being
able to solve my problem expressed itself in the wrong context.

regards, michael
 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[ny6p01]

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 01:47:56PM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
 On 2012-05-17 12:14 PM, Michael Scherer a6702...@unet.univie.ac.at wrote:
  If bottom-most is really that important to you, I will of course
  comply, though with outlook express which I'm forced to use most of
  the time this is a bit tedious.
 
 Interesting... so, you have someone standing next to you most of the 
 time, pointing a gun at your head, forcing you to use one of the worst 
 mail clients that ever existed?
 

How befitting that MS's flagship email client top posts by default...

Terry

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Michael Scherer]

On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:05:07 -0500
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Michael Scherer wrote:
  On Wed, 16 May 2012 07:41:32 +0700
  Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
  
  On May 15, 2012 7:50 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Maybe like me, you blabber more than you think:
 
  http://archives.gentoo.org/stats/gentoo-user-per-year.xml
 
  I didn't put them in any certain order but you have fallen a bit
  tho. Someone put alum in your water or something?
 
 
  I blabbed that much??
 
  Gee... I purposefully stay away from piping up in threads related
  to CUPS, KDE, Gnome, and other desktop-only stuff, and still end
  up in the top 5?? o_O
 
  Rgds,
  
  OK, OK. May I remind you what started this thread?
  If bottom-most is really that important to you, I will
  of course comply, though with outlook express which I'm
  forced to use most of the time this is a bit tedious.
  I had no idea what a flood of angry comments my post
  on preferring top-most would start off.
  
  My original problem (see title) is as yet unsolved. Any one
  out there with an idea what might be causing this?
  I'm grateful to those 3 or 4 who tried to help, but
  by now I'm rather desperate and in the whole of internet
  pages there is nothing even coming near.
  
  bugzilla told me this wasn't a bug and go to the forums.
  So you are really my last resort.
  
  regards, michael
  
  
 
 
 I would start with running make -j1  make modules_install.  Someone
 else posted it could be a race condition.
 
 Are you editing the config by hand or are you using menuconfig or some
 such tool?  If editing by hand maybe one thing is enabled but
 something else it needs is not.
 
 Still thinking.
 
 Dale
 
 :-)  :-)
 
 

Same result as ever. I use make nconfig, which is somewhat easier
to navigate around. Only once I tried to manually change .config,
because revdep-rebuild wanted to rebuild sys-fs/udisks, which
complained about CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND not being set, but a silent
make oldconfig removed the line automatically. I did the change
manually because CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND doesn't seem to exist in 3.2.12.

Anyway, thank you for thinking about it.

regards, michael

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:14:08 -0700
ny6...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 01:47:56PM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
  On 2012-05-17 12:14 PM, Michael Scherer
  a6702...@unet.univie.ac.at wrote:
   If bottom-most is really that important to you, I will of course
   comply, though with outlook express which I'm forced to use most
   of the time this is a bit tedious.
  
  Interesting... so, you have someone standing next to you most of
  the time, pointing a gun at your head, forcing you to use one of
  the worst mail clients that ever existed?
  
 
 How befitting that MS's flagship email client top posts by default...


Outlook Express? Not even MS would attach the label flagship to
Outlook Express.

Mind you, Outlook is infernally difficult to make it inter-port or
bottom-post. Like gmail's web clientt, there's a lot of fiddling with
backspace, delete, undo and cursor keys involved.



-- 
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Michael Scherer]

On Thu, 17 May 2012 13:47:56 -0400
Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:

 On 2012-05-17 12:14 PM, Michael Scherer a6702...@unet.univie.ac.at
 wrote:
  If bottom-most is really that important to you, I will of course
  comply, though with outlook express which I'm forced to use most of
  the time this is a bit tedious.
 
 Interesting... so, you have someone standing next to you most of the 
 time, pointing a gun at your head, forcing you to use one of the
 worst mail clients that ever existed?
 

thunderbird under windows has problems with imap accounts and outlook
is still much worse, not to speak of gmail and the like. With forced
I actually meant forced to work with windows, where I use outlook
express which may be bad but I am used to it.

regards, michael

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Michael Scherer]

On Fri, 18 May 2012 01:06:02 +0700
Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:

 On May 17, 2012 11:19 PM, Michael Scherer
 a6702...@unet.univie.ac.at wrote:
 
  On Wed, 16 May 2012 07:41:32 +0700
  Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
 
   On May 15, 2012 7:50 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
   
Maybe like me, you blabber more than you think:
   
http://archives.gentoo.org/stats/gentoo-user-per-year.xml
   
I didn't put them in any certain order but you have fallen a bit
tho. Someone put alum in your water or something?
   
  
   I blabbed that much??
  
   Gee... I purposefully stay away from piping up in threads related
   to CUPS, KDE, Gnome, and other desktop-only stuff, and still end
   up in the top 5?? o_O
  
   Rgds,
 
  OK, OK. May I remind you what started this thread?
  If bottom-most is really that important to you, I will
  of course comply, though with outlook express which I'm
  forced to use most of the time this is a bit tedious.
  I had no idea what a flood of angry comments my post
  on preferring top-most would start off.
 
  My original problem (see title) is as yet unsolved. Any one
  out there with an idea what might be causing this?
  I'm grateful to those 3 or 4 who tried to help, but
  by now I'm rather desperate and in the whole of internet
  pages there is nothing even coming near.
 
  bugzilla told me this wasn't a bug and go to the forums.
  So you are really my last resort.
 
  regards, michael
 
 
 Based on the information you've given, there can be only 2 possible
 cause:
 
 1. The Makefile is somehow b0rken.
 
 Evidence : 'ls' instead of 'ld'
 
 2. Some file creation failed, causing the next step to fail.
 
 Please post the output of 'df -i'. I once ran out of inodes during
 kernel compile, even when the filesystem (ext4) was created with IIRC
 100'000-something inodes (and still having several gigabytes of free
 space).
 
 Nowadays, I put /usr/src and portage's tempdir on a reiserfs to
 prevent running out of inodes.
 
 3. Something is wrong with your filesystem.
 
 Especially if /usr/src is *already* on reiserfs. In this case, boot
 using SystemRescueCD and do an offline fsck on the partition
 containing /usr/src
 
 4. Swapfile / Swap partition problems.
 
 Even with enough RAM, sometimes gcc just wants a swap. Post the
 output of 'swapon -s' please.
 
 And there's also the possibility that somehow the swap gets b0rked.
 Try turning off swap, rebuild the swap, and turning it back on.
 
 Rgds,

1) make output:

  CHK include/linux/version.h
  CHK include/generated/utsrelease.h
  CALLscripts/checksyscalls.sh
  CHK include/generated/compile.h
  LD  init/mounts.o
ls -Al -m elf_x86_64 -r -o init/mounts.o init/do_mounts.o
init/do_mounts_initrd.o init/mounts.o: No such file or directory
make[1]: *** [init/mounts.o] Error 1
make: *** [init] Error 2

There is an LD, the ls line is part of the error message.

2) df -i

Filesystem  Inodes  IUsed   IFree IUse% Mounted on
rootfs 1313280   5652 13076281% /
/dev/root  1313280   5652 13076281% /
devtmpfs385505785  3847201% /dev
rc-svcdir   385724 63  3856611% /lib64/rc/init.d
/tmpfs  385724  1  3857231% /dev/shm
/dev/sda12  130560 23  1305371% /boot
/dev/sda15 3932656 363434 3569222   10% /usr
/dev/sda16 6119424 275818 58436065% /var

3) /usr/src is ext4, and all ebuilds run without problems.
If something is wrong with the file system, maybe an fsck would
show it, so I'll try that.

4) swapon -s

FilenameTypeSize
UsedPriority /dev/sda13
partition   104823760   -1

immediately after running make.

Remaking the swap area resulted in the same line as above.

But without doubt you are right that mounts.o is not built, for
whatever reason. The build command

init/.do_mounts.o.cmd:cmd_init/do_mounts.o := gcc
-Wp,-MD,init/.do_mounts.o.d -nostdinc
-isystem /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.5.3/include
-I/usr/src/linux-3.2.12-gentoo/arch/x86/include
-Iarch/x86/include/generated -Iinclude
-include /usr/src/linux-3.2.12-gentoo/include/linux/kconfig.h
-D__KERNEL__ -Wall -Wundef -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs
-fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -Werror-implicit-function-declaration
-Wno-format-security -fno-delete-null-pointer-checks -O2 -m64 -march=k8
-mno-red-zone -mcmodel=kernel -funit-at-a-time
-maccumulate-outgoing-args -fstack-protector -DCONFIG_AS_CFI=1
-DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SIGNAL_FRAME=1 -DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SECTIONS=1
-DCONFIG_AS_FXSAVEQ=1 -pipe -Wno-sign-compare
-fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -mno-sse -mno-mmx -mno-sse2 -mno-3dnow
-Wframe-larger-than=2048 -fno-omit-frame-pointer
-fno-optimize-sibling-calls -fno-inline-functions-called-once
-Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wno-pointer-sign -fno-strict-overflow
-fconserve-stack -DCC_HAVE_ASM_GOTO -DKBUILD_STR(s)=\#s
-DKBUILD_BASENAME=KBUILD_STR(do_mounts)
-DKBUILD_MODNAME=KBUILD_STR(mounts) -c -o 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Hinnerk van Bruinehsen]

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On 17.05.2012 22:13, Michael Scherer wrote:

 
 1) make output:
 
 CHK include/linux/version.h CHK
 include/generated/utsrelease.h CALLscripts/checksyscalls.sh CHK
 include/generated/compile.h LD  init/mounts.o ls -Al -m
 elf_x86_64 -r -o init/mounts.o init/do_mounts.o 
 init/do_mounts_initrd.o init/mounts.o: No such file or directory 
 make[1]: *** [init/mounts.o] Error 1 make: *** [init] Error 2
 
 There is an LD, the ls line is part of the error message.
 

 
 contains a directive to build mounts.o, see second last line, but 
 it for some reason this is ignored. Maybe there is a flaw in that
 command, only I can't find it.
 
 regards, michael
 
 

Have you tried a make clean on your sourcetree?

CHK include/linux/version.h

IS for me one of the first lines I get at all. It seems strange to me
that you get a call to the linker (LD) before even a call to the
compiler (CC).

I'd suggest you try a make clean first and try to build again
afterwards (with -j1 or without a statement for jobs) to rule out race
conditions.

If that doesn't help, move your kernel sources to another directory
and reemerge the sources. Copy your .config (ideally one of a working
tree) and try again. If that doesn't help, try to get a working
default config (like from /proc/config.gz from a live distro).

WKR

Hinnerk
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Michael Scherer]

On Thu, 17 May 2012 22:13:02 +0200
Michael Scherer a6702...@unet.univie.ac.at wrote:

 On Fri, 18 May 2012 01:06:02 +0700
 Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
 
  On May 17, 2012 11:19 PM, Michael Scherer
  a6702...@unet.univie.ac.at wrote:
  
   On Wed, 16 May 2012 07:41:32 +0700
   Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
  
On May 15, 2012 7:50 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maybe like me, you blabber more than you think:

 http://archives.gentoo.org/stats/gentoo-user-per-year.xml

 I didn't put them in any certain order but you have fallen a
 bit tho. Someone put alum in your water or something?

   
I blabbed that much??
   
Gee... I purposefully stay away from piping up in threads
related to CUPS, KDE, Gnome, and other desktop-only stuff, and
still end up in the top 5?? o_O
   
Rgds,
  
   OK, OK. May I remind you what started this thread?
   If bottom-most is really that important to you, I will
   of course comply, though with outlook express which I'm
   forced to use most of the time this is a bit tedious.
   I had no idea what a flood of angry comments my post
   on preferring top-most would start off.
  
   My original problem (see title) is as yet unsolved. Any one
   out there with an idea what might be causing this?
   I'm grateful to those 3 or 4 who tried to help, but
   by now I'm rather desperate and in the whole of internet
   pages there is nothing even coming near.
  
   bugzilla told me this wasn't a bug and go to the forums.
   So you are really my last resort.
  
   regards, michael
  
  
  Based on the information you've given, there can be only 2 possible
  cause:
  
  1. The Makefile is somehow b0rken.
  
  Evidence : 'ls' instead of 'ld'
  
  2. Some file creation failed, causing the next step to fail.
  
  Please post the output of 'df -i'. I once ran out of inodes during
  kernel compile, even when the filesystem (ext4) was created with
  IIRC 100'000-something inodes (and still having several gigabytes
  of free space).
  
  Nowadays, I put /usr/src and portage's tempdir on a reiserfs to
  prevent running out of inodes.
  
  3. Something is wrong with your filesystem.
  
  Especially if /usr/src is *already* on reiserfs. In this case, boot
  using SystemRescueCD and do an offline fsck on the partition
  containing /usr/src
  
  4. Swapfile / Swap partition problems.
  
  Even with enough RAM, sometimes gcc just wants a swap. Post the
  output of 'swapon -s' please.
  
  And there's also the possibility that somehow the swap gets b0rked.
  Try turning off swap, rebuild the swap, and turning it back on.
  
  Rgds,
 
 1) make output:
 
   CHK include/linux/version.h
   CHK include/generated/utsrelease.h
   CALLscripts/checksyscalls.sh
   CHK include/generated/compile.h
   LD  init/mounts.o
 ls -Al -m elf_x86_64 -r -o init/mounts.o init/do_mounts.o
 init/do_mounts_initrd.o init/mounts.o: No such file or directory
 make[1]: *** [init/mounts.o] Error 1
 make: *** [init] Error 2
 
 There is an LD, the ls line is part of the error message.
 
 2) df -i
 
 Filesystem  Inodes  IUsed   IFree IUse% Mounted on
 rootfs 1313280   5652 13076281% /
 /dev/root  1313280   5652 13076281% /
 devtmpfs385505785  3847201% /dev
 rc-svcdir   385724 63  3856611% /lib64/rc/init.d
 /tmpfs  385724  1  3857231% /dev/shm
 /dev/sda12  130560 23  1305371% /boot
 /dev/sda15 3932656 363434 3569222   10% /usr
 /dev/sda16 6119424 275818 58436065% /var
 
 3) /usr/src is ext4, and all ebuilds run without problems.
 If something is wrong with the file system, maybe an fsck would
 show it, so I'll try that.
 
 4) swapon -s
 
 Filename  TypeSize
 Used  Priority /dev/sda13
 partition 104823760   -1
 
 immediately after running make.
 
 Remaking the swap area resulted in the same line as above.
 
 But without doubt you are right that mounts.o is not built, for
 whatever reason. The build command
 
 init/.do_mounts.o.cmd:cmd_init/do_mounts.o := gcc
 -Wp,-MD,init/.do_mounts.o.d -nostdinc
 -isystem /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.5.3/include
 -I/usr/src/linux-3.2.12-gentoo/arch/x86/include
 -Iarch/x86/include/generated -Iinclude
 -include /usr/src/linux-3.2.12-gentoo/include/linux/kconfig.h
 -D__KERNEL__ -Wall -Wundef -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs
 -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -Werror-implicit-function-declaration
 -Wno-format-security -fno-delete-null-pointer-checks -O2 -m64
 -march=k8 -mno-red-zone -mcmodel=kernel -funit-at-a-time
 -maccumulate-outgoing-args -fstack-protector -DCONFIG_AS_CFI=1
 -DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SIGNAL_FRAME=1 -DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SECTIONS=1
 -DCONFIG_AS_FXSAVEQ=1 -pipe -Wno-sign-compare
 -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -mno-sse -mno-mmx -mno-sse2 -mno-3dnow
 -Wframe-larger-than=2048 -fno-omit-frame-pointer
 -fno-optimize-sibling-calls -fno-inline-functions-called-once
 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Alex Schuster]

Michael Scherer writes:

 1) make output:
 
   CHK include/linux/version.h
   CHK include/generated/utsrelease.h
   CALLscripts/checksyscalls.sh
   CHK include/generated/compile.h
   LD  init/mounts.o
 ls -Al -m elf_x86_64 -r -o init/mounts.o init/do_mounts.o
 init/do_mounts_initrd.o init/mounts.o: No such file or directory
 make[1]: *** [init/mounts.o] Error 1
 make: *** [init] Error 2
 
 There is an LD, the ls line is part of the error message.

But the options look really more like ld options to me. How this could
possibly happen, I don't know. Some overriding of $(LD) perhaps? Does
env | egrep -i 'ls|ld' show something weird? Does it also fail as a
non-root user, after you copied the stuff over to somewhere where this
user can write? Just grasping at straws here.


 But without doubt you are right that mounts.o is not built, for
 whatever reason.

Because ld should build it from init/do_mounts.o, but ls is being called
instead?

 The build command
 
 init/.do_mounts.o.cmd:cmd_init/do_mounts.o := gcc
 -Wp,-MD,init/.do_mounts.o.d -nostdinc
 -isystem /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.5.3/include
 -I/usr/src/linux-3.2.12-gentoo/arch/x86/include
 -Iarch/x86/include/generated -Iinclude
 -include /usr/src/linux-3.2.12-gentoo/include/linux/kconfig.h
 -D__KERNEL__ -Wall -Wundef -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs
 -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -Werror-implicit-function-declaration
 -Wno-format-security -fno-delete-null-pointer-checks -O2 -m64 -march=k8
 -mno-red-zone -mcmodel=kernel -funit-at-a-time
 -maccumulate-outgoing-args -fstack-protector -DCONFIG_AS_CFI=1
 -DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SIGNAL_FRAME=1 -DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SECTIONS=1
 -DCONFIG_AS_FXSAVEQ=1 -pipe -Wno-sign-compare
 -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -mno-sse -mno-mmx -mno-sse2 -mno-3dnow
 -Wframe-larger-than=2048 -fno-omit-frame-pointer
 -fno-optimize-sibling-calls -fno-inline-functions-called-once
 -Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wno-pointer-sign -fno-strict-overflow
 -fconserve-stack -DCC_HAVE_ASM_GOTO -DKBUILD_STR(s)=\#s
 -DKBUILD_BASENAME=KBUILD_STR(do_mounts)
 -DKBUILD_MODNAME=KBUILD_STR(mounts) -c -o init/do_mounts.o
 init/do_mounts.c
 
 contains a directive to build mounts.o, see second last line, but
 it for some reason this is ignored.
 Maybe there is a flaw in that command, only I can't find it.

Neither can I. Is this command executed at all? If you maybe replace the
'gcc' by 'gccXXX', does this give an error? Or put an 'echo' in
front of the gcc'.
You can try 'make -d', this will give you LOTS of debug output, but I
don't think you will see the actual commands then.

Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Michael Mol]

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
 On 2012-05-17 12:14 PM, Michael Scherer a6702...@unet.univie.ac.at wrote:

 If bottom-most is really that important to you, I will of course
 comply, though with outlook express which I'm forced to use most of
 the time this is a bit tedious.


 Interesting... so, you have someone standing next to you most of the time,
 pointing a gun at your head, forcing you to use one of the worst mail
 clients that ever existed?

That's generally called a job.


-- 
:wq

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Peter Humphrey]

On Thursday 17 May 2012 20:25:01 Alan McKinnon wrote:

 Outlook Express? Not even MS would attach the label flagship to
 Outlook Express.

A recent experience has suggested a reason for OE to work the way it 
does. Using it the way it's designed to be used, the entire conversation 
so far is included in every message; this will save mucho casho for 
those organisations that don't want to store e-mails - they rely on 
being able to scan an incoming e-mail to find out what it's all about.

Not an efficient use of bandwidth. In fact it's an abuse of network 
operators to relieve user companies of their responsibilities.

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[john]

On Mon, 14 May 2012 19:46:39 -0500
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Alan McKinnon wrote:
  On Mon, 14 May 2012 12:13:18 -0500
  Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
  
  For example:  Alan, Mike, Pandu, Mark, Neil and me are the top
  posters on this list.
  
  Yo Dale,
  
  You might want to re-calibrate your stats engine :-)
  
  I've been quiet for a while (getting old...)[1] and fifty bucks says
  Michael, Canek, Pandu and a couple more have all posted more than me
  this year
  
  [1] Well, that's my story and I'm sticking with it
  
  
  
 
 
 Maybe like me, you blabber more than you think:
 
 http://archives.gentoo.org/stats/gentoo-user-per-year.xml
 
 I didn't put them in any certain order but you have fallen a bit tho.
 Someone put alum in your water or something?
 
 ROFL
 
 Dale
 
 :-)  :-)
 

Would like to thank all guys and girls for posting. Even though I post
very little myself your posts are always excellent and there is plenty
to learn from just reading them.

There are things I can do now which I never thought possible. Thanks

-- 
John D Maunder

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Mark Knecht]

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On Mon, 14 May 2012 12:13:18 -0500
 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:

 For example:  Alan, Mike, Pandu, Mark, Neil and me are the top posters
 on this list.

 Yo Dale,

 You might want to re-calibrate your stats engine :-)

 I've been quiet for a while (getting old...)[1] and fifty bucks says
 Michael, Canek, Pandu and a couple more have all posted more than me
 this year

 [1] Well, that's my story and I'm sticking with it





 Maybe like me, you blabber more than you think:

 http://archives.gentoo.org/stats/gentoo-user-per-year.xml

 I didn't put them in any certain order but you have fallen a bit tho.
 Someone put alum in your water or something?

 ROFL

 Dale


Jeez Am I _STILL_ showing up on this list of high posting people?
I've honestly worked to get below number 10 and I cannot get there
apparently... (Too many posts like this I suppose!) ;-)

- Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Dale]

Mark Knecht wrote:
 On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On Mon, 14 May 2012 12:13:18 -0500
 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:

 For example:  Alan, Mike, Pandu, Mark, Neil and me are the top posters
 on this list.

 Yo Dale,

 You might want to re-calibrate your stats engine :-)

 I've been quiet for a while (getting old...)[1] and fifty bucks says
 Michael, Canek, Pandu and a couple more have all posted more than me
 this year

 [1] Well, that's my story and I'm sticking with it





 Maybe like me, you blabber more than you think:

 http://archives.gentoo.org/stats/gentoo-user-per-year.xml

 I didn't put them in any certain order but you have fallen a bit tho.
 Someone put alum in your water or something?

 ROFL

 Dale

 
 Jeez Am I _STILL_ showing up on this list of high posting people?
 I've honestly worked to get below number 10 and I cannot get there
 apparently... (Too many posts like this I suppose!) ;-)
 
 - Mark
 
 


I'm wondering on this myself.  Should I take more meds or are the meds
causing it?scratches head 

o_O

Dale

:-)  :-)

-- 
I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or
how you interpreted my words!

Miss the compile output?  Hint:
EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tue, 15 May 2012 10:01:00 -0700
Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:

  Maybe like me, you blabber more than you think:
 
  http://archives.gentoo.org/stats/gentoo-user-per-year.xml
 
  I didn't put them in any certain order but you have fallen a bit
  tho. Someone put alum in your water or something?
 
  ROFL
 
  Dale
   
 
 Jeez Am I _STILL_ showing up on this list of high posting people?
 I've honestly worked to get below number 10 and I cannot get there
 apparently... (Too many posts like this I suppose!) ;-)

This gentoo stuff is addictive :-)

Must be the personalities around here. I reckon that anyone who sticks
around here and becomes a regular (regardless of their skill level) has
something special going on inside.

Gentoo-ers all have that DIY attitude, as if they would rather not wait
around for someone else to do all their lifting for them.


-- 
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Peter Humphrey]

On Tuesday 15 May 2012 18:25:57 john wrote:

 Would like to thank all guys and girls for posting. Even though I
 post very little myself your posts are always excellent and there is
 plenty to learn from just reading them.
 
 There are things I can do now which I never thought possible. Thanks

Is this one case in which a me-too message is acceptable? Anyway, I 
second John's gratitude to you all.

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Pandu Poluan]

On May 15, 2012 7:50 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maybe like me, you blabber more than you think:

 http://archives.gentoo.org/stats/gentoo-user-per-year.xml

 I didn't put them in any certain order but you have fallen a bit tho.
 Someone put alum in your water or something?


I blabbed that much??

Gee... I purposefully stay away from piping up in threads related to CUPS,
KDE, Gnome, and other desktop-only stuff, and still end up in the top 5??
o_O

Rgds,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Michael Scherer]

in my opinion it isn't. with top posting I see the newest message
immidiately, while otherwise I need page through sometimes
huge amounts of mostly obsolete comments.
where it's possible, I put my messages on top, and I've found
more than once forum-rules that require or at least recommend
top posting.
but I garantee that I will get flames, why I do this and urge me
to change my habits.
obviously this is an ingrained habit on gentoo-users, but from
now on I'm going follow my habits and damn the flames.

regards

michael

--
Michael Scherer
Univ.klinik f. Psychiatrie
email: michael.sche...@meduniwien.ac.at
phone: +43 6991 941 22 54

- Original Message - 
From: ny6...@gmail.com

To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Sent: Monday, 14 May, 2012 04:13
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails



A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 03:44:31AM +0200, Michael Scherer wrote:


regrettably no. at this point make (correctly) assumes that mounts.o
should have been built, but it didn't.
sorry for my delayed replay, I've tried I lot of possibilities, needless
to say without success.

thanks

michael

--
Michael Scherer
Univ.klinik f. Psychiatrie
email: michael.sche...@meduniwien.ac.at
phone: +43 6991 941 22 54

- Original Message - 
From: walt w41...@gmail.com

To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Sent: Saturday, 12 May, 2012 20:17
Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails


 On 05/10/2012 07:20 AM, Michael Scherer wrote:
   LD  init/mounts.o
 ls -Al -m elf_x86_64 -r -o init/mounts.o init/do_mounts.o
   init/do_mounts_initrd.o init/mounts.o: No such file or directory
 
 Maybe that step is correct but it sure looks strange to me.  Looks

 like 'ls' is being substituted for 'ld', maybe?  Is that a cut-and-
 paste error?


Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Terry

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Alan McKinnon]

On Mon, 14 May 2012 17:26:44 +0200
Michael Scherer a6702...@unet.univie.ac.at wrote:

 in my opinion it isn't. with top posting I see the newest message
 immidiately, while otherwise I need page through sometimes
 huge amounts of mostly obsolete comments.
 where it's possible, I put my messages on top, and I've found
 more than once forum-rules that require or at least recommend
 top posting.
 but I garantee that I will get flames, why I do this and urge me
 to change my habits.
 obviously this is an ingrained habit on gentoo-users, but from
 now on I'm going follow my habits and damn the flames.


That is rather rude and completely ignores the stated preference of
many other people who were here before you. They set the de-facto
standard, not you.

You are running the risk of being plonked which strikes me as being
silly. You post here to get good answers, not to be ignored.

-- 
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[ny6p01]

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 05:26:44PM +0200, Michael Scherer wrote:
 in my opinion it isn't. with top posting I see the newest message
 immidiately, while otherwise I need page through sometimes
 huge amounts of mostly obsolete comments.
 where it's possible, I put my messages on top, and I've found
 more than once forum-rules that require or at least recommend
 top posting.
 but I garantee that I will get flames, why I do this and urge me
 to change my habits.
 obviously this is an ingrained habit on gentoo-users, but from
 now on I'm going follow my habits and damn the flames.
 
 regards
 
 michael
 
 -- 
 Michael Scherer
 Univ.klinik f. Psychiatrie
 email: michael.sche...@meduniwien.ac.at
 phone: +43 6991 941 22 54
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: ny6...@gmail.com
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Sent: Monday, 14 May, 2012 04:13
 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails
 
 
  A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
  
  On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 03:44:31AM +0200, Michael Scherer wrote:
  
  regrettably no. at this point make (correctly) assumes that mounts.o
  should have been built, but it didn't.
  sorry for my delayed replay, I've tried I lot of possibilities, needless
  to say without success.
  
  thanks
  
  michael
  
  -- 
  Michael Scherer
  Univ.klinik f. Psychiatrie
  email: michael.sche...@meduniwien.ac.at
  phone: +43 6991 941 22 54
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: walt w41...@gmail.com
  To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
  Sent: Saturday, 12 May, 2012 20:17
  Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails
  
  
   On 05/10/2012 07:20 AM, Michael Scherer wrote:
 LD  init/mounts.o
   ls -Al -m elf_x86_64 -r -o init/mounts.o init/do_mounts.o
 init/do_mounts_initrd.o init/mounts.o: No such file or directory
   
   Maybe that step is correct but it sure looks strange to me.  Looks
   like 'ls' is being substituted for 'ld', maybe?  Is that a cut-and-
   paste error?
  
  Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

http://linux.sgms-centre.com/misc/netiquette.php

***

Below are a set of rules by which you should try and abide whenever posting
to a public area such as USENET or a mailing list.  They are designed with
one thing in mind: being polite to your fellow netizens.  Failure to do so
can make you look at best inconsiderate, if not plain stupid, or even lead
more seasoned netizens to believe that you're trolling (deliberately
stirring up a fuss in order to draw attention to yourself and/or start up a
fight - or flamefest).  In the long run you'll just get yourself PLONKED
(added to people's killfiles so they no longer have to read what you have to
say), which is fairly counter-productive if your intentions are worthy.

You can avoid yourself this embarrassment (and everybody else's displeasure)
by following the basic rules described here:

...

9. DO NOT TOP-POST and DO trim your replies!!! Top-posting is the annoying
practice of replying to a message by typing your response above that to
which you are responding.  This is a _Bad Thing_ because your readers will
have to scroll down and extract the essential of the existing thread in
order to grasp the context of your reply, and then scroll back up again to
read your reply.  Posting a me too comment at the bottom of a 100+ line
message is no better because people, have to scroll all the way down through
100+ lines they've already read in order to see your one-liner.  One word
comes to mind for that: frustrating.  The generally accepted right way of
doing things is called inline posting, whereby you insert your comments
straight after that on which you are commenting, having stripped  
unnecessary text from the original quoted text.  The end result is something
which makes much more sense because it reads like a conversation.



Remember, in a list, you are not only writing for the person who you are
responding to.  You are posting for whoever may be interested in the topic. 
While I appreciate that you may not benefit from top posting since you know
the context, this is not true for someone who has linked to your message or
who is reading it days, weeks or years later.  :)

Terry

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Allan Gottlieb]

On Mon, May 14 2012, Michael Scherer wrote:

 in my opinion it isn't. with top posting I see the newest message
 immidiately, while otherwise I need page through sometimes
 huge amounts of mostly obsolete comments.
 where it's possible, I put my messages on top, and I've found
 more than once forum-rules that require or at least recommend
 top posting.
 but I garantee that I will get flames, why I do this and urge me
 to change my habits.
 obviously this is an ingrained habit on gentoo-users, but from
 now on I'm going follow my habits and damn the flames.

You have forgotten that gentoo-user is a valuable archive site.
I keep many old msgs to use much later.  At that point a top to bottom
reading order is preferred.

Moreover, those who are most helpful here all prefer bottom (or in-line)
posting.  If you shun the wishes of a majority of the group and a vast
majority of the most-helpful users, you fate is not flames but
ignoredom.  That seems to be a poor idea.

Your call
allan

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Dale]

Allan Gottlieb wrote:
 On Mon, May 14 2012, Michael Scherer wrote:
 
 in my opinion it isn't. with top posting I see the newest message
 immidiately, while otherwise I need page through sometimes
 huge amounts of mostly obsolete comments.
 where it's possible, I put my messages on top, and I've found
 more than once forum-rules that require or at least recommend
 top posting.
 but I garantee that I will get flames, why I do this and urge me
 to change my habits.
 obviously this is an ingrained habit on gentoo-users, but from
 now on I'm going follow my habits and damn the flames.
 
 You have forgotten that gentoo-user is a valuable archive site.
 I keep many old msgs to use much later.  At that point a top to bottom
 reading order is preferred.
 
 Moreover, those who are most helpful here all prefer bottom (or in-line)
 posting.  If you shun the wishes of a majority of the group and a vast
 majority of the most-helpful users, you fate is not flames but
 ignoredom.  That seems to be a poor idea.
 
 Your call
 allan
 
 


I agree.  I have read even on here, been a while tho, where a email
address is blacklisted.  So OP, if you top post often enough then later
post a question, the person with the answer may never see your question
hence you will likely get no reply.   I have one person blacklisted
myself.  I have no clue if they come here or not.  It goes straight to
delete.  I think it bypasses the trash even.

For example:  Alan, Mike, Pandu, Mark, Neil and me are the top posters
on this list.  I will admit, if just Neil and Alan ignore your posts,
you got issues.  They are two VERY knowledgeable, and more importantly,
helpful people.  Most of their posts are helping others too, unlike some
of mine.   Another thing, they have been on this mailing for a long time
and they don't like top posting either if memory serves me well.  Me, I
will forgive if it is a cell phone thingy that can't be helped.
Otherwise, after a couple times, I'm not scrolling all over the place to
try to figure out what order the posts are in and all that.  I may not
blacklist but I will hit the next button.

OP.  You be well advised to reconsider.  Other wise, you will be on the
forums asking for help and in my opinion, this mailing list is the best
place for help.  Lifes full of choices tho.  Some good, some bad.

Dale

:-)  :-)

-- 
I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or
how you interpreted my words!

Miss the compile output?  Hint:
EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Tanstaafl]

On 2012-05-14 11:26 AM, Michael Scherer a6702...@unet.univie.ac.at wrote:

in my opinion it isn't. with top posting I see the newest message
immediately, while otherwise I need page through sometimes
huge amounts of mostly obsolete comments.


This is only the case if the person who replies doesn't trim their 
quoted text - which is often the case when brain-dead top-posters try 
bottom (aka inline) posting...



where it's possible, I put my messages on top, and I've found
more than once forum-rules that require or at least recommend
top posting.


This isn't one of them...


but I garantee that I will get flames, why I do this and urge me
to change my habits.
obviously this is an ingrained habit on gentoo-users, but from
now on I'm going follow my habits and damn the flames.


Then you will not get much help here and your participation will be null 
and void.


You should always strive to adjust you habits to the rules of the forum 
you are participating in...


I loathe top-posting, but there are a few forums I participate in where 
that is the norm, so I just grin and bear it...

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Alecks Gates]

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
 This is only the case if the person who replies doesn't trim their quoted
 text - which is often the case when brain-dead top-posters try bottom (aka
 inline) posting...


 You should always strive to adjust you habits to the rules of the forum you
 are participating in...

 I loathe top-posting, but there are a few forums I participate in where that
 is the norm, so I just grin and bear it...


Personally, gmail has given me a bad habit.  It defaults to
top-posting in the web client, which I don't see how to change.  But
at least on the desktop I can easily move formatting around.  On the
Android client it seems rather archaic.  Does anyone know how to
change to bottom-posting on either client?

Thankfully, I don't go to any forums that enforce top-posting.  I
would probably get myself banned from all the complaining I would do.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Michael Mol]

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Alecks Gates aleck...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
 This is only the case if the person who replies doesn't trim their quoted
 text - which is often the case when brain-dead top-posters try bottom (aka
 inline) posting...


 You should always strive to adjust you habits to the rules of the forum you
 are participating in...

 I loathe top-posting, but there are a few forums I participate in where that
 is the norm, so I just grin and bear it...


 Personally, gmail has given me a bad habit.  It defaults to
 top-posting in the web client, which I don't see how to change.  But
 at least on the desktop I can easily move formatting around.  On the
 Android client it seems rather archaic.  Does anyone know how to
 change to bottom-posting on either client?

In Android, you can press Reply in-line, but then you've got to
navigate potentially large email threads using a tiny screen to get to
the right place to reply. It's an ugly scenario.


-- 
:wq

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Alan McKinnon]

On Mon, 14 May 2012 14:11:25 -0500
Alecks Gates aleck...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Tanstaafl
 tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
  This is only the case if the person who replies doesn't trim their
  quoted text - which is often the case when brain-dead top-posters
  try bottom (aka inline) posting...
 
 
  You should always strive to adjust you habits to the rules of the
  forum you are participating in...
 
  I loathe top-posting, but there are a few forums I participate in
  where that is the norm, so I just grin and bear it...
 
 
 Personally, gmail has given me a bad habit.  It defaults to
 top-posting in the web client, which I don't see how to change.  But
 at least on the desktop I can easily move formatting around.  On the
 Android client it seems rather archaic.  Does anyone know how to
 change to bottom-posting on either client?

So around here we say don't top post rather bottom bottom, but what we
actually mean is inline post with your contribution below the portion
you are replying to and extraneous bits of the quoted text removed.
Also liberal use of [snip] tags is encouraged.

We generally tolerate gmail webapp users (trying to inline post on that
is hard to do but possible) and reluctantly accept the smartphone users
often have no choice as it's impossible to do anything other than top
post on many devices (especially BlackBerrys). Such users should leave
the nice Sent from my BlackBerry comment at the bottom, it helps
indicate you can't avoid the top-post.

All of these rules are like any other form of good manners - designed
to smooth communication and make it a pleasant thing to do. Just like
in real life, it's equally good manners to indicate up-front if you
can't do the norm. Example: some places it's expected that men stand up
when a lady enters the room. But not if the man has a broken leg, in
which case he should make sure the plaster cast and crutches can be
seen. 

See how it works? :-)


-- 
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Alan McKinnon]

On Mon, 14 May 2012 12:13:18 -0500
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:

 For example:  Alan, Mike, Pandu, Mark, Neil and me are the top posters
 on this list.

Yo Dale,

You might want to re-calibrate your stats engine :-)

I've been quiet for a while (getting old...)[1] and fifty bucks says
Michael, Canek, Pandu and a couple more have all posted more than me
this year

[1] Well, that's my story and I'm sticking with it



-- 
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Michael Mol]

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:

[snip]

 We generally tolerate gmail webapp users (trying to inline post on that
 is hard to do but possible) and reluctantly accept the smartphone users
 often have no choice as it's impossible to do anything other than top
 post on many devices (especially BlackBerrys). Such users should leave
 the nice Sent from my BlackBerry comment at the bottom, it helps
 indicate you can't avoid the top-post.

You may have noticed I usually have :wq at the ends of my emails.
That's when I'm posting from, e.g. GMail's web app. When you see ZZ,
that's my phone or tablet.

-- 
:wq

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Alan McKinnon]

On Mon, 14 May 2012 17:01:59 -0400
Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Alan McKinnon
 alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 [snip]
 
  We generally tolerate gmail webapp users (trying to inline post on
  that is hard to do but possible) and reluctantly accept the
  smartphone users often have no choice as it's impossible to do
  anything other than top post on many devices (especially
  BlackBerrys). Such users should leave the nice Sent from my
  BlackBerry comment at the bottom, it helps indicate you can't
  avoid the top-post.
 
 You may have noticed I usually have :wq at the ends of my emails.
 That's when I'm posting from, e.g. GMail's web app. When you see ZZ,
 that's my phone or tablet.
 

True's bob, whaddaya know. It's there right enough :-)

I still think Neil has the best sigs in the entire universe.
It's spooky the way his fortunes work.

-- 
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Neil Bothwick]

On Mon, 14 May 2012 23:24:57 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

 I still think Neil has the best sigs in the entire universe.
 It's spooky the way his fortunes work.

They're totally random and chosen by software, I have no influence over
them.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?



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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Neil Bothwick]

On Mon, 14 May 2012 17:26:44 +0200, Michael Scherer wrote:

 obviously this is an ingrained habit on gentoo-users, but from

Not a habit, a preference grown from years of experience and the
practicalities of lists like this.

 now on I'm going follow my habits and damn the flames.

Do you act like that in real life? If you see a no smoking sign, do you
light up anyway because that's what you want to do and damn everyone else?

Help lists like this become significantly less useful once you are
killfiled for being an arrogant and ignorant .


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Computer apathy error: don't bother striking any key.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Alan McKinnon]

On Mon, 14 May 2012 22:53:40 +0100
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:

 On Mon, 14 May 2012 23:24:57 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
 
  I still think Neil has the best sigs in the entire universe.
  It's spooky the way his fortunes work.
 
 They're totally random and chosen by software, I have no influence
 over them.
 
 

Piffle :-)

Spooky action at a distance, that's what it is!

-- 
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Michael Mol]

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
 On Mon, 14 May 2012 23:24:57 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

 I still think Neil has the best sigs in the entire universe.
 It's spooky the way his fortunes work.

 They're totally random and chosen by software, I have no influence over
 them.


 --
 Neil Bothwick

 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
 Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
 A: Top-posting.
 Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?

Spooky indeed.

-- 
:wq

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Michael Mol]

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, 14 May 2012 22:53:40 +0100
 Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:

 On Mon, 14 May 2012 23:24:57 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

  I still think Neil has the best sigs in the entire universe.
  It's spooky the way his fortunes work.

 They're totally random and chosen by software, I have no influence
 over them.

 Piffle :-)

 Spooky action at a distance, that's what it is!

I do believe you're overestimating the gravity of the situation.

-- 
:wq

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Pandu Poluan]

On May 15, 2012 2:16 AM, Alecks Gates aleck...@gmail.com wrote:

 Personally, gmail has given me a bad habit.  It defaults to
 top-posting in the web client, which I don't see how to change.  But
 at least on the desktop I can easily move formatting around.  On the
 Android client it seems rather archaic.  Does anyone know how to
 change to bottom-posting on either client?

 Thankfully, I don't go to any forums that enforce top-posting.  I
 would probably get myself banned from all the complaining I would do.


Android user here!

With the Android Gmail client, tap on Respond inline, swipe up
repeatedly, and tap on the blank line underneath the message.

I found Swype (the virtual keyboard) to be most helpful when trimming
fluff; it has honest-to-goodness cursor keys (including PgUp and PgDn), and
a *very* helpful Select Text button to start selection.

Rgds,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Pandu Poluan]

On May 15, 2012 2:27 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Alecks Gates aleck...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Personally, gmail has given me a bad habit.  It defaults to
  top-posting in the web client, which I don't see how to change.  But
  at least on the desktop I can easily move formatting around.  On the
  Android client it seems rather archaic.  Does anyone know how to
  change to bottom-posting on either client?

 In Android, you can press Reply in-line, but then you've got to
 navigate potentially large email threads using a tiny screen to get to
 the right place to reply. It's an ugly scenario.


Meh, just saw your post and realized you've beaten me :-\

Again, please allow me to plug the goodness of Swype... like I posted
before, it has *complete* cursor keys. Plus one very powerful key called
Cursor Jump that allows one to very quickly go to the topmost (or bottom
most) line.

Rgds,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Alecks Gates]

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:

 On May 15, 2012 2:27 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Alecks Gates aleck...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Personally, gmail has given me a bad habit.  It defaults to
  top-posting in the web client, which I don't see how to change.  But
  at least on the desktop I can easily move formatting around.  On the
  Android client it seems rather archaic.  Does anyone know how to
  change to bottom-posting on either client?

 In Android, you can press Reply in-line, but then you've got to
 navigate potentially large email threads using a tiny screen to get to
 the right place to reply. It's an ugly scenario.


 Meh, just saw your post and realized you've beaten me :-\

 Again, please allow me to plug the goodness of Swype... like I posted
 before, it has *complete* cursor keys. Plus one very powerful key called
 Cursor Jump that allows one to very quickly go to the topmost (or bottom
 most) line.

 Rgds,

I've been quite set on my hardware keyboard for a while now (HTC G2).
But perhaps I'll try out Swype eventually

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Pandu Poluan]

On May 15, 2012 7:11 AM, Alecks Gates aleck...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
 
  On May 15, 2012 2:27 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Alecks Gates aleck...@gmail.com
wrote:
  
   Personally, gmail has given me a bad habit.  It defaults to
   top-posting in the web client, which I don't see how to change.  But
   at least on the desktop I can easily move formatting around.  On the
   Android client it seems rather archaic.  Does anyone know how to
   change to bottom-posting on either client?
 
  In Android, you can press Reply in-line, but then you've got to
  navigate potentially large email threads using a tiny screen to get to
  the right place to reply. It's an ugly scenario.
 
 
  Meh, just saw your post and realized you've beaten me :-\
 
  Again, please allow me to plug the goodness of Swype... like I posted
  before, it has *complete* cursor keys. Plus one very powerful key called
  Cursor Jump that allows one to very quickly go to the topmost (or
bottom
  most) line.
 
  Rgds,

 I've been quite set on my hardware keyboard for a while now (HTC G2).
 But perhaps I'll try out Swype eventually


You can still use the hardware keyboard, after using Swype to mangle the
replied-to email :-)

Rgds,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On Mon, 14 May 2012 12:13:18 -0500
 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 For example:  Alan, Mike, Pandu, Mark, Neil and me are the top posters
 on this list.
 
 Yo Dale,
 
 You might want to re-calibrate your stats engine :-)
 
 I've been quiet for a while (getting old...)[1] and fifty bucks says
 Michael, Canek, Pandu and a couple more have all posted more than me
 this year
 
 [1] Well, that's my story and I'm sticking with it
 
 
 


Maybe like me, you blabber more than you think:

http://archives.gentoo.org/stats/gentoo-user-per-year.xml

I didn't put them in any certain order but you have fallen a bit tho.
Someone put alum in your water or something?

ROFL

Dale

:-)  :-)

-- 
I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or
how you interpreted my words!

Miss the compile output?  Hint:
EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Michael Scherer]

regrettably no. at this point make (correctly) assumes that mounts.o
should have been built, but it didn't.
sorry for my delayed replay, I've tried I lot of possibilities, needless
to say without success.

thanks

michael

--
Michael Scherer
Univ.klinik f. Psychiatrie
email: michael.sche...@meduniwien.ac.at
phone: +43 6991 941 22 54

- Original Message - 
From: walt w41...@gmail.com

To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Sent: Saturday, 12 May, 2012 20:17
Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails



On 05/10/2012 07:20 AM, Michael Scherer wrote:

  LD  init/mounts.o
ls -Al -m elf_x86_64 -r -o init/mounts.o init/do_mounts.o
  init/do_mounts_initrd.o init/mounts.o: No such file or directory


Maybe that step is correct but it sure looks strange to me.  Looks
like 'ls' is being substituted for 'ld', maybe?  Is that a cut-and-
paste error?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[ny6p01]

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 03:44:31AM +0200, Michael Scherer wrote:

 regrettably no. at this point make (correctly) assumes that mounts.o
 should have been built, but it didn't.
 sorry for my delayed replay, I've tried I lot of possibilities, needless
 to say without success.
 
 thanks
 
 michael
 
 -- 
 Michael Scherer
 Univ.klinik f. Psychiatrie
 email: michael.sche...@meduniwien.ac.at
 phone: +43 6991 941 22 54
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: walt w41...@gmail.com
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Sent: Saturday, 12 May, 2012 20:17
 Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails
 
 
  On 05/10/2012 07:20 AM, Michael Scherer wrote:
LD  init/mounts.o
  ls -Al -m elf_x86_64 -r -o init/mounts.o init/do_mounts.o
init/do_mounts_initrd.o init/mounts.o: No such file or directory
  
  Maybe that step is correct but it sure looks strange to me.  Looks
  like 'ls' is being substituted for 'ld', maybe?  Is that a cut-and-
  paste error?

Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Terry

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

[Michael Scherer]

Yes, all of those. Other ebuilds run without troubles. That's what makes this 
failed
kernel build all the more mysterious. I've run out of options. Maybe a new 
kernel
release will help, but I need my box and the tweaks to .config, and I don't want
to wait, especially as I fear things might not go better even then.

regards

michael

--
Michael Scherer
Univ.klinik f. Psychiatrie
email: michael.sche...@meduniwien.ac.at
phone: +43 6991 941 22 54

- Original Message - 
From: walt w41...@gmail.com

To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Sent: Saturday, 12 May, 2012 00:48
Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails



On 05/10/2012 07:20 AM, Michael Scherer wrote:

Hi all,

after downloading the 3.2.12-sources everything went fine
for a couple of weeks, I compiled them a couple of times,
but suddenly, maybe because of some world-updates, errors
started to accumulate,


Yes, sounds like something is wrong with your build environment.

Have you run revdep-rebuild lately?  What about etc-update or
something equivalent to it?

Very unlikely suspects but very easy to rule out:
Correct /usr/src/linux symlink?  Recent fsck?

Hm, what else?