Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-31 Thread Marc Joliet
Am Sun, 31 May 2015 09:48:08 +0100 schrieb Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk: app-editors/gvim-7.4.273 (nls ? sys-devel/gettext) %%% Even gvim! And it definitely does not crash without gettext % grep gettext /var/portage/app-editors/gvim/gvim-7.4.712.ebuild

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-31 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 30 May 2015 13:57:34 +0300, gevisz wrote: Nothing crashed so far and this, in my view, proves that should not be an obligatory dependency for any package in my wold file. That only shows that you have not used any function that requires gettext, not that none use it. You can use

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-31 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 31 May 2015 12:59:32 +0200, Marc Joliet wrote: Yes, equery is still getting it wrong, gvim only depends on gettext when built with USE=nls. I don't get this. equery is showing *exactly* the same information as your grep. It's not wrong, it's just that it only shows that

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-30 Thread gevisz
2015-05-30 18:56 GMT+03:00 rhan...@gmx.de: On 30/05/15 16:56, gevisz wrote: 2015-05-30 15:02 GMT+03:00 gevisz gev...@gmail.com: So, I can update the system and see if the unneeded gettext package will be emerged again. :-) Yes, it was merged back. Why ... to keep an unneeded

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-30 Thread gevisz
2015-05-30 18:54 GMT+03:00 Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk: On Saturday 30 May 2015 13:57:34 gevisz wrote: 2015-05-30 12:32 GMT+03:00 Marc Joliet mar...@gmx.de: Am Sat, 30 May 2015 11:36:28 +0300 schrieb gevisz gev...@gmail.com: [...] (Note: the word you are looking for is cache.)

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-30 Thread gevisz
2015-05-29 23:33 GMT+03:00 gevisz gev...@gmail.com: 2015-05-29 21:45 GMT+03:00 gevisz gev...@gmail.com: 2015-05-29 19:36 GMT+03:00 Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com: On Friday 29 May 2015 17:20:13 gevisz wrote: 2015-05-29 17:46 GMT+03:00 Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com: Do you get anything

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-30 Thread rhannek
On 30/05/15 11:36, gevisz wrote: P.S. As I have already described it earlier, this issue with the Firefox menu is only related to the menu I get while right-clicking on a youtube video in Firefox. (All the other menus is in English, as desired.) Have you checked the language

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-30 Thread gevisz
2015-05-30 13:02 GMT+03:00 rhan...@gmx.de: On 30/05/15 11:36, gevisz wrote: P.S. As I have already described it earlier, this issue with the Firefox menu is only related to the menu I get while right-clicking on a youtube video in Firefox. (All the other menus is in English,

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-30 Thread gevisz
2015-05-30 13:57 GMT+03:00 gevisz gev...@gmail.com: I strongly suspect that the application doing the translating doesn't even use gettext. May be, but I cannot think of a better explanation. Besides which, I'm surprised you're not getting crashes from applications not finding the gettext

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-30 Thread Marc Joliet
Am Sat, 30 May 2015 13:57:34 +0300 schrieb gevisz gev...@gmail.com: This document shows how websites can localise their content: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web_Localizability/Creating_localizable_web_applications. Thank you for the link. I will look at it in more detail

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-30 Thread Marc Joliet
Am Sat, 30 May 2015 14:59:12 +0300 schrieb gevisz gev...@gmail.com: 2015-05-30 14:31 GMT+03:00 rhan...@gmx.de: On 30/05/15 14:07, gevisz wrote: [...] No. It's about localizing web pages with gettext. gettext is on the server side. The server sets a locale for the session and then

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-30 Thread gevisz
2015-05-30 12:32 GMT+03:00 Marc Joliet mar...@gmx.de: Am Sat, 30 May 2015 11:36:28 +0300 schrieb gevisz gev...@gmail.com: [...] As I still had a suspicion that those non-English entries in the Firefox menu remain because of some cash issues, I have just launched another instance of the

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-30 Thread rhannek
On 30/05/15 14:07, gevisz wrote: I do not know how to do that. Go to [1], scroll to the bottom. There should be some settings for yt language. Yes, but according to the link, provided by Marc, it contains gettext instruction for its translation according to the locale set on the local

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-30 Thread gevisz
2015-05-30 14:31 GMT+03:00 rhan...@gmx.de: On 30/05/15 14:07, gevisz wrote: I do not know how to do that. Go to [1], scroll to the bottom. There should be some settings for yt language. Yes, but according to the link, provided by Marc, it contains gettext instruction for its translation

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-30 Thread Marc Joliet
Am Sat, 30 May 2015 11:36:28 +0300 schrieb gevisz gev...@gmail.com: [...] As I still had a suspicion that those non-Eglish entries in the Firefox menu remain because of some cash issues, I have just launched another instance of the Firefox browser using a separate profile. Well, in a

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-30 Thread gevisz
2015-05-30 14:36 GMT+03:00 Marc Joliet mar...@gmx.de: Am Sat, 30 May 2015 13:57:34 +0300 schrieb gevisz gev...@gmail.com: This document shows how websites can localise their content: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web_Localizability/Creating_localizable_web_applications. Thank

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-30 Thread gevisz
2015-05-30 15:02 GMT+03:00 gevisz gev...@gmail.com: So, I can update the system and see if the unneeded gettext package will be emerged again. :-) Yes, it was merged back. Why ... to keep an unneeded dependency in the portage tree?

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-30 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Saturday 30 May 2015 13:57:34 gevisz wrote: 2015-05-30 12:32 GMT+03:00 Marc Joliet mar...@gmx.de: Am Sat, 30 May 2015 11:36:28 +0300 schrieb gevisz gev...@gmail.com: [...] (Note: the word you are looking for is cache.) So, it is from French. [OT] Yes, along with a vast number of

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-30 Thread rhannek
On 30/05/15 16:56, gevisz wrote: 2015-05-30 15:02 GMT+03:00 gevisz gev...@gmail.com: So, I can update the system and see if the unneeded gettext package will be emerged again. :-) Yes, it was merged back. Why ... to keep an unneeded dependency in the portage tree? Because some package

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-29 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
just set LANGUAGE and LC_ALL. 2015-05-29 6:35 GMT+02:00 Gevisz gev...@gmail.com: On Thu, 28 May 2015 20:07:55 -0400 Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 28.05.2015 um 17:35 schrieb gevisz:

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-29 Thread gevisz
2015-05-29 10:08 GMT+03:00 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com: just set LANGUAGE and LC_ALL. Thank you for your suggestion. I have just re-read the Gentoo Localization Guide. It does not mention the LANGUAGE environment variable and do not recommend to set LC_ALL. All the other is

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-29 Thread Mick
On Friday 29 May 2015 05:24:49 Gevisz wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2015 00:41:08 +0200 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 28.05.2015 um 17:35 schrieb gevisz: In my everyday work at the computer, I read and type at three or even four different languages. However, I

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-29 Thread gevisz
2015-05-29 17:46 GMT+03:00 Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com: On Friday 29 May 2015 05:24:49 Gevisz wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2015 00:41:08 +0200 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 28.05.2015 um 17:35 schrieb gevisz: In my everyday work at the computer, I read and type

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-29 Thread Mick
On Friday 29 May 2015 17:20:13 gevisz wrote: 2015-05-29 17:46 GMT+03:00 Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com: Do you get anything unexpected when you run 'locale'? Nothing. (Thank you for your question.) I have just re-read the Gentoo Localization Guide

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-29 Thread gevisz
2015-05-29 19:36 GMT+03:00 Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com: On Friday 29 May 2015 17:20:13 gevisz wrote: 2015-05-29 17:46 GMT+03:00 Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com: Do you get anything unexpected when you run 'locale'? Nothing. (Thank you for your question.) I have just re-read the Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-29 Thread Marc Joliet
Am Fri, 29 May 2015 19:34:03 +0300 schrieb gevisz gev...@gmail.com: Firefox is compiled without any linguas set. NLS support disabled globally in make.conf. And still, while right-clicking on youtube videos in firefox, I get menu in one of the easten-europian languages. :( This may very

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-29 Thread gevisz
2015-05-29 20:34 GMT+03:00 Marc Joliet mar...@gmx.de: Am Fri, 29 May 2015 19:34:03 +0300 schrieb gevisz gev...@gmail.com: Firefox is compiled without any linguas set. NLS support disabled globally in make.conf. And still, while right-clicking on youtube videos in firefox, I get menu in one

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-29 Thread gevisz
2015-05-29 21:45 GMT+03:00 gevisz gev...@gmail.com: 2015-05-29 19:36 GMT+03:00 Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com: On Friday 29 May 2015 17:20:13 gevisz wrote: 2015-05-29 17:46 GMT+03:00 Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com: Do you get anything unexpected when you run 'locale'? Nothing. (Thank you

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-29 Thread gevisz
2015-05-29 10:08 GMT+03:00 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com: just set LANGUAGE and LC_ALL. This does not work. Just tried to be sure. 2015-05-29 6:35 GMT+02:00 Gevisz gev...@gmail.com: On Thu, 28 May 2015 20:07:55 -0400 Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, May

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-28 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 28.05.2015 um 17:35 schrieb gevisz: In my everyday work at the computer, I read and type at three or even four different languages. However, I do want to have all program menues and system messages only in English. So, when I found out that it can be achieved by setting -nls USE flag at

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-28 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 28.05.2015 um 17:35 schrieb gevisz: In my everyday work at the computer, I read and type at three or even four different languages. However, I do want to have all program menues and system messages

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-28 Thread Gevisz
On Fri, 29 May 2015 00:41:08 +0200 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 28.05.2015 um 17:35 schrieb gevisz: In my everyday work at the computer, I read and type at three or even four different languages. However, I do want to have all program menues and system

Re: [gentoo-user] Unwelcomed non-native language support

2015-05-28 Thread Gevisz
On Thu, 28 May 2015 20:07:55 -0400 Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 28.05.2015 um 17:35 schrieb gevisz: In my everyday work at the computer, I read and type at three or even four different