[geo] Re: Enough on the Arctic Ice Alarmism

2009-11-02 Thread John Gorman
As to how much carbon is in the permafrost: see New Scientist 24 June 2009 Ice on fire: The next fossil fuel by Fred Pearce Article not available on line there is lots. Stephen Salter did some work on this I think some years ago. john gorman - Original Message - From: Andrew L

[geo] Re: Enough on the Arctic Ice Alarmism

2009-11-02 Thread Andrew Lockley
The UK's Met Office is not alone in their predictions, as at least one metastudy I've seen suggests similar dates. However, we should bear in mind that the track record on AGW is usually that things are worse than expected. I think that 2060 is pretty soon. I'll still be alive. Furthermore, we

[geo] Re: Arguments against geoengineering

2009-11-02 Thread William Fulkerson
Hi folks: Let's face it. We are entering the age of climate management. We are doing it inadvertantly now through emissions, The negative consequences are forcing us to look at purposeful management of climate to assure the well-being of humans and the environment. As I count them we ha

[geo] Re: Sea ice: beware of hype, uncertainty cut's both ways

2009-11-02 Thread John Nissen
Thank you, David, for your thoughtful reply and the excellent points you make, which culminate in an acknowledgement of the argument for albedo geoengineering to save the Arctic sea ice, as I have been proposing.  Your support is most welcome. Re your point 1, the proposal does not assume a p

[geo] Re: Arguments against geoengineering

2009-11-02 Thread jim thomas
Dear Ron (et al) Sorry this will be a too-short reply as I am currently in the middle of of all day meetings. I have no expectation of reversing Dans opinion - there is a significant values gulf between us and I strongly disagree with his company's core business and operating assumptions. I

Re: Arguments against geoengineering AND [geo] ERL papers on line

2009-11-02 Thread Glyn Roberts
Whew. I'll be ready for you're twisted wit next time! cheers, Glyn On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Peter Read wrote: > Apologies > My comment re Mid east oil and Texas was intendedly ironic > But irony always a dangerous way to go unless in eyeball contact > I don't doubt you have the measur

Re: Arguments against geoengineering AND [geo] ERL papers on line

2009-11-02 Thread Peter Read
Apologies My comment re Mid east oil and Texas was intendedly ironic But irony always a dangerous way to go unless in eyeball contact I don't doubt you have the measure of increasing denialism correctly portrayed Peter - Original Message - From: "Glyn Roberts" To: "Peter Read" Cc: ; ;

Re: Arguments against geoengineering AND [geo] ERL papers on line

2009-11-02 Thread Glyn Roberts
Peter, all: I didn't scan all the way down to the bottom of Peter's email and missed the interpretation of "Glyn's conspiracy theory" Yikes! It's all messed up! Not to worry, I'll be more clear. You interpreted my meaning to be: "I suppose the exploitation of Mid-East oil and other developin

[geo] RE: [clim] Re: Sea ice: beware of hype, uncertainty cut's both ways

2009-11-02 Thread Veli Albert Kallio
Further to Mike, I would like to draw also attention to terrestrial snow cover. Snow has increased due to less ice covered Arctic Ocean during the summers and autumn. This insulates air more from the ground. On the other hand, the amount of ground heat has increased as the soil beneath snow

[geo] Going to Address U.S. House of Rep on Optics

2009-11-02 Thread photonz
Hi fellow Geoengineers: Early in December, I will have the opportunity to address an R&D finance panel at the U.S. House of Representatives in D.C. The topic is: where to focus R&D, and I am presenting on opportunities in optics. Obviously getting geoengineering out of the doghouse is a key messa

[geo] Re: E&E Daily-- On the hearings this week.

2009-11-02 Thread Neil Farbstein
Hi Greg, what are the worst errors you can point to? On Nov 2, 12:56 pm, xbenf...@aol.com wrote: > Impossible to count the number of errors in this piece of rotten > journalism. > > Gregory Benforcd > > > > -Original Message- > From: Dan Whaley > To: geoengineering > Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2

Re: Arguments against geoengineering AND [geo] ERL papers on line

2009-11-02 Thread Glyn Roberts
In Ken's 2008 presentation "geoengineering earth's climate" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzMVfJKJK_c) he nicely captures the 4 steps to stabilize the earth's climate as: 1 Diminish end-use energy demand 2 Produce energy without carbon emission 3 Remove radiatively active gasses from atmosph

[geo] Re: An interesting question (Air Capture Papers)

2009-11-02 Thread Peter Read
The reason why the biomass route is so much lower cost than mechanical air capture depends on the common practice of discounting cash flows. If you plant trees (very low cost) then they do the CO2 capture job for a decade or so, depending on the rotation length. When they are mature you can

[geo] Re: Sea ice: beware of hype, uncertainty cut's both ways

2009-11-02 Thread Mike MacCracken
Also please see http://blogs.reuters.com/environment/2009/10/30/panic-at-2-am-the-search-for -multiyear-arctic-ice/ Ice cover is not the only issue--ice thickness also matters for it takes an extensive, pretty solid (i.e., very small or no leads) ice cover about a meter thick or more (with a bit

[geo] Re: Arguments against geoengineering

2009-11-02 Thread David Keith
I think the idea that fossil resources will provide a meaningful constraint on CO2 emissions does not pass a fact checker's laugh test. We have enough carbon within the growing reach or our extraction technologies to push CO2 concentrations beyond 5,000 towards 10,000 ppm. For my own lay-langu

[geo] Re: E&E Daily-- On the hearings this week.

2009-11-02 Thread xbenford
Impossible to count the number of errors in this piece of rotten journalism. Gregory Benforcd -Original Message- From: Dan Whaley To: geoengineering Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:10 am Subject: [geo] E&E Daily-- On the hearings this week. CLIMATE: Science panel begins discussions of engi

[geo] Re: ERL papers on line

2009-11-02 Thread Neil Farbstein
It does snow in the arctic. I'm sure. I was thinking along the lines of catching moisture when thew temperature is low enough to snow and adding extra snow with cloud seeding. Whenever it snows there is obviously moisture in the air. Basically I though we could make it snow harder and longer duri

[geo] Re: [clim] On the difficulty of cutting emissions (ERL thread plus Ken's bet)

2009-11-02 Thread David Schnare
Actually, it looks to me like it would be far more cost-effective to reduce methane first. It not only is a more potent greenhouse gas, but it has significant energy potential that can help pay for emissions reductions. Why not start there, even world wide, to include developing countries. About t

[geo] E&E Daily-- On the hearings this week.

2009-11-02 Thread Dan Whaley
CLIMATE: Science panel begins discussions of engineering fixes to global warming (Monday, November 2, 2009) Katie Howell, E&E reporter While much of Congress is focused on a regulatory plan to curb greenhouse gas emissions, a House panel plans to probe more creative and controversial measures to