[geo] Re: cloud seeding - need for research

2009-12-16 Thread John Latham
Hello Neil, Andrew et al. Cloud seeding (principally to make rain) has had a long and highly chequered history in the 60 years since Vonnegut, Schaefer Langmuir did their pioneering work. Many studies since then were contaminated by commercial interests. There is no essentially no consensus

Re: [geo] Stewart Brand/NYT Op-Ed: Four Sides to Every Story

2009-12-16 Thread John Nissen
Hi Andrew, Please pass these comments on to your colleague, Stewart Brand. I agree with the four categories but would add a fifth band - call them RATIONAL ACTIVISTS. This is a growing band of mainly scientists and engineers who argue with the WARNERS that emissions reductions will not alone

Re: [geo] Re: cloud seeding - need for research

2009-12-16 Thread Mike MacCracken
With one exception, I agree with John. The exception is that I think it has been demonstrated that one can clear an ice fog with seeding, and this has been done to open airports, etc.--not to generate precipitation (in any form). I would add that the water vapor content of air and clouds above

Re: [geo] Re: cloud seeding - need for research - ja

2009-12-16 Thread John Latham
Hello Mike et al, I agree entirely with you Mike that seeding can cause ice fogs to disperse. Also electrostatic droplet seeding could help dissipate warm fogs. I should have more carefully indicated that I was focusing on seeding of clouds containing ice, and particularly mixed-phase clouds.

Re: [geo] Re: cloud seeding - need for research - ja

2009-12-16 Thread John Nissen
Hi John, I saw some research somewhere that said that global cloud cover had decreased over the past decades, contributing slightly to global warming. But I can't find it now. Do you know about it? Could it be due to black carbon? Here's an extract from a Hansen essay: 'Black carbon

[geo] Re: Saving the Tibetan Glaciers - with biochar help

2009-12-16 Thread Nando
I've followed up with a little more research into atmospheric aerosols, black carbon in particular, and find references that seem to indicate a mean particle size of under one micron for BC particles (0.2 microns) that are lofted into the atmosphere and thus can be transported long distances. I

[geo] Re: cloud seeding - need for research - ja

2009-12-16 Thread Neil Farbstein
What is electrostatic drop seeding. Can it be scaled up? On Dec 16, 12:02 pm, John Latham john.latha...@manchester.ac.uk wrote: Hello Mike et al, I agree entirely with you Mike that seeding can cause ice fogs to disperse. Also electrostatic droplet seeding could help dissipate warm fogs. I

Re: [geo] Stewart Brand/NYT Op-Ed: Four Sides to Every Story

2009-12-16 Thread David Schnare
Gosh John, what are those of us who simply accept the observations as just what they are (and accept the models as no more than they are) and admit there is rather a great deal of uncertainty. Oh, I know. We are SCIENTISTS. /sarcasm off d. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 8:35 PM, John Nissen