Re: [geo] Clive Hamilton's op-ed in the New York Times today

On 5/29/2013 8:51 PM, Ken Caldeira wrote: David, I don't think that Silver Lining ever had any investors. I don't think it ever was an entity with any kind of legal existence. "Silver Linings" is just a name for an informal group of friends and collaborators. Fine. And I certainly don't mea

Re: [geo] Clive Hamilton's op-ed in the New York Times today

David, I don't think that Silver Lining ever had any investors. I don't think it ever was an entity with any kind of legal existence. "Silver Linings" is just a name for an informal group of friends and collaborators. This article seems to have a fairly accurate description ( http://www.sfgate.co

Re: [geo] Clive Hamilton's op-ed in the New York Times today

Ken Caldeira wrote: Unfortunately, Clive does himself and the broader discussion a disservice by promulgating an abundance of misinformation. Just grabbing the first thing I could find on the web, he claimed that Bill Gates is an investor in Silver Lining, which is patently untrue. Bill Gates

Re: [geo] Clive Hamilton's op-ed in the New York Times today

Ross, I agree with you about the need to focus on facts and ideas and not making snarky remarks about people. Unfortunately, Clive does himself and the broader discussion a disservice by promulgating an abundance of misinformation. Just grabbing the first thing I could find on the web, he claime

Re: [geo] Clive Hamilton's op-ed in the New York Times today

Disheartening to read criticism of Clive Hamilton, upon publication of his op-ed piece in the 26 May 2013 edition of the New York Times. Clive is eminently qualified to write on the topic of geo-engineering of climate, following the 22 April 2013 publication of his book "Earthmasters: The Daw

Re: [geo] Moderation of messages submitted to the group

That's broadly correct, but some extra info is needed. Comments should be referenced. Experts can back up what they say, and tend to do so habitually. 3 sentences is typically too short. If you can't be bothered to write something decent, I can't bother 850 people with it. This isn't twitter. S

Re: [geo] Moderation of messages submitted to the group

I think we need a bit more transparency and specificity in moderation criteria. Here is what I think they are based on observation. Andrew, please let me know if this is helpful. Fred auto-approves: * cite to new research with abstract link and a couple of sentences of research * cite to old re

Re: [geo] Moderation of messages submitted to the group

The simple and general answer is this : If you want your messages to get through, don't get kept on moderation. If posters want to avoid moderation, either post good content sparingly or post excellent content frequently - and post rubbish content not at all. Off-topic posts, poorly referenced ema

[geo] Moderation of messages submitted to the group

Hi all, More than two years ago, I submitted a message that was blocked by Andrew. FYI, I've added the original message below. My question is, how can we best prevent that potentially important messages fail to reach group members? Cheers, Sam Carana start message submitted April

Re: [geo] Clive Hamilton's op-ed in the New York Times today

This comes down to a question of whether you trust "the system" and it is very true that many (most?) people do not. That is why I am pushing people to take advantage of the enormous forward steps in transparency that have occurred in the Internet era. It's a paradoxical world we live in where wha

Re: [geo] Transcript of Keith, Shiva, Hamilton, Goodman interview

Exactly so. If you can set aside the headline and subhead, the questions that Hamilton asks in the Nature piece are very much the types of questions many of us here have been asking -- Ken and Alan included. Who controls the figurative thermostat? How transparent is the research? How do you deal

Re: [geo] Re: Transcript of Keith, Shiva, Hamilton, Goodman interview

Hamilton misses an essential element: Much economic history shows that broad, demand-driven commodities cannot be suppressed by regulation. Blaming evil corporations for supplying fossil fuels (for combustion, plastics, etc) is childish. Suppressing the second largest industry in the world (#1 is a

RE: [geo] CO2 Mitigation via Capture and Chemical Conversion in Seawater - Environmental Science & Technology (ACS Publications)

Thanks, Andrew, for the plug for this 2011 paper on an idea for point source CO2 mitigation. Still standing by for the big R&D bucks to roll in. In the meantime, for more recent news relevant to air capture check out: https://www.llnl.gov/news/newsreleases/2013/May/NR-13-05-07.html http://phys.o

[geo] Why GE? classic articles that set the context

The group seems to spend a lot of time talking about either 1) SRM & CDR techniques or 2) fuzzy governance. I think it might be useful to post occasional reminders of the science that sets the context for the predicament we're in. Given that there are 850 members of the group, it is almost certain

RE: [geo] Re: Haida Salmon Restoration Corp. | Haida announce termination of Russ George

I've never been enthusiastic on cold fusion euphoria when some reputable institutions went quite deeply onto it. If there is any scientific "tulip mania" similar to the investors, that is as far as I think the cold fusion fits the bill. On the other hand, businessmen are always in need of projec

Re: [geo] Re: Transcript of Keith, Shiva, Hamilton, Goodman interview

When I was a magazine editor I wrote many, many captions. Bear in mind that authors are often not responsible for the exact phrasing of headlines and subheads. Typically this is done by magazine staff as they need to make sure the caption fits the space available. Magazine editors also have a som

[geo] Re: Transcript of Keith, Shiva, Hamilton, Goodman interview

The subhead under the title of Clive's *Nature* piece" *No we should not just at least do the research*" accuses anyone who takes the position that geoengineering research should be undertaken of not carefully thi

Re: [geo] Clive Hamilton's op-ed in the New York Times today

Ken Caldiera wrote: > If I had to wait until I fully understood my wife before I married her, I would still be a single man. Marriage as "relationship engineering" ;-) -- David Appell, independent science writer e: david.app...@gmail.com w: http://www.davidappell.com -- You received this

[geo] FW: Innovation Forum Call for Proposals - NOW OPEN!

Business proposals for ocean fertilisation and CO2 sequestration ideas can be sent here: Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 17:03:44 -0400 From: veronique.er...@biomarine.org To: albert_kal...@hotmail.com Subject: Innovation Forum Call for Proposals - NOW OPEN!

Re: [geo] Clive Hamilton's op-ed in the New York Times today

Would this be similar to your modeling a "geoengineered world" and claiming the models show it's safe, when you have no clue who is currently modifying the system? Without a full accounting of weather manipulation efforts worldwide, and an understanding of how those are currently affecting our

[geo] IMechE report on BECCS: BECCS FOR ELECTRICITY, LAND-USE TENSIONS

Dear Group, The Institution of Mechanical Engineers released today a report on land use aspects of BECCS (Bio-Energy with Carbon Capture and Storage): http://www.imeche.org/news/press-release/2013/05/29/Biomass_power_plants_need_not_cause_significant_land-use_tensions -- You received this mess

[geo] CO2 Mitigation via Capture and Chemical Conversion in Seawater - Environmental Science & Technology (ACS Publications)

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es102671x CO2 Mitigation via Capture and Chemical Conversion in Seawater - Environmental Science & Technology (ACS Publications) Greg H. Rau Environ. Sci. Technol., 2011, 45 (3), pp 1088–1092DOI: 10.1021/es102671x Publication Date (Web): December 28, 2010 Ab

[geo] Solar radiation management: An evolving climate policy option - Energy and the Environment - Lane & Bickel | AEI

http://www.aei.org/article/energy-and-the-environment/climate-change/solar-radiation-management-an-evolving-climate-policy-option-paper/ Executive Summary Measures to reduce greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions have long dominated public discourse about responses to man-made climate change. However, ma