Re: [geo] Exploration of a novel geoengineering solution: lighting up tropical forests at night

2021-11-10 Thread Ernie Rogers
Jessica said, " Maybe the thing to concentrate on is what would increase long lived soil carbon rather than photosynthesis." Thanks, Jessica, great idea. How about this? How to do long-lived storage in the sea, using natural processes? On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 6:54 PM Jessica Gurevitch < jessica.

Re: [geo] Exploration of a novel geoengineering solution: lighting up tropical forests at night

2021-11-10 Thread Jessica Gurevitch
We hardly know what the impacts of SAI would be on ecological systems and we really need to learn more. My best guess (and it’s just an evidence-free guess at this point) is that some organisms and systems would benefit from SAI, perhaps greatly, and others would be harmed, maybe by a lot. Much

Re: [geo] Exploration of a novel geoengineering solution: lighting up tropical forests at night

2021-11-10 Thread Michael Kleeman
Irrespective of the benefits or risks of solar radiation management the ecosystem impacts are real. And for reference deserts have a rich life and are sensitive to light, pressure, vibration and general disruption. Different from forested area but no less alive in their own way We need to

Re: [geo] Exploration of a novel geoengineering solution: lighting up tropical forests at night

2021-11-10 Thread Ernie Rogers
I am sure you are right, Jessica. I would be interested in hearing your ideas on how to increase productivity on a global scale, or otherwise absorb large amounts of CO2. /Ernie On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 1:55 PM Oliver wrote: > Do you not think this is rather a kneejerk reaction? Is it as awful

Fwd: [geo] Exploration of a novel geoengineering solution: lighting up tropical forests at night

2021-11-10 Thread Oliver
Do you not think this is rather a kneejerk reaction? Is it as awful an idea as injecting thousands of tons of silver dioxide or similar materials into the stratosphere? An action which will influence the global weather for a minimum of 4 years if done at the equator. Now that is a truly awful i

Re: [geo] Exploration of a novel geoengineering solution: lighting up tropical forests at night

2021-11-10 Thread Daniele Visioni
Dear all, ESD is a journal that allows for community comments during peer review. There’s one already: https://esd.copernicus.org/preprints/esd-2021-85/ I haven’t read the paper carefully (nor am I an ecologist) but I trust Jessica if she says i

Re: [geo] Exploration of a novel geoengineering solution: lighting up tropical forests at night

2021-11-10 Thread Renaud de RICHTER
FYI, the article is still in the process of peer review and has not yet been accepted. You can create an account and comment it https://esd.copernicus.org/preprints/esd-2021-85/ I agree with Klauss and the energy requirements. *But I also welcome any new ideas to try to reduce global warming. *

Re: [geo] Exploration of a novel geoengineering solution: lighting up tropical forests at night

2021-11-10 Thread Klaus Lackner
The abstract is also wrong about energy consumption. Photosynthesis is inefficient. If one percent of the light goes into biomass it is doing well. You also need to account for the inefficiency of generating light. So at best you need a hundred times as much energy as you would get out of

Re: [geo] Exploration of a novel geoengineering solution: lighting up tropical forests at night

2021-11-10 Thread Jessica Gurevitch
This is a truly awful idea. These authors are apparently totally ignorant of, or uninterested in, the natural world of ecological communities and of biodiversity. Many, many organisms in tropical forests depend on nighttime darkness to survive and function. The "unintended (or uninformed) consequen

[geo] Geoengineering and the Evolution of Dueling Precautions

2021-11-10 Thread Geoeng Info
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-72372-9_11 Geoengineering and the Evolution of Dueling Precautions - - Kalyani Robbins - Abstract 2018 witnessed the release of a number of films depicting a new kind of future dystopia. Instead of the usual portrayal of psychologic

[geo] Climate Action: The Feasibility of Climate Intervention on a Global Scale

2021-11-10 Thread Geoeng Info
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-72372-9_3 Climate Action: The Feasibility of Climate Intervention on a Global Scale - - Kimberly A. Gray - Abstract Today’s CO2 emissions are 60% greater than those in 1992 when Rio Earth Summit participants first agreed to act to p

Re: [geo] Exploration of a novel geoengineering solution: lighting up tropical forests at night

2021-11-10 Thread Maiken Winter
Dear geoengineers, I have been a quiet reader of this listserv for years. I am not an expert. And I am deeply concerned about the developments going on in our climate and natural systems. But seriously? Are we now thinking about lightening up forests? What effects would that have on animals in t