Dear all, ESD is a journal that allows for community comments during peer review. There’s one already: https://esd.copernicus.org/preprints/esd-2021-85/ <https://esd.copernicus.org/preprints/esd-2021-85/> I haven’t read the paper carefully (nor am I an ecologist) but I trust Jessica if she says it’s an awful idea! Possibly your direct feedback on the paper in the form of a comment on the ESD discussion could be helpful for everyone, as it will be publicly accessible to everyone for ever, independently if the paper gets accepted or not.
And to respond to Maiken, I don’t think there’s a “we” here (in the sense of “we geoengineers”, and probably nobody considers themselves one). 6 academics have submitted a paper of their own free volition and probably without asking anyone else (at least no ecologists, as far as I can see). If the response from the community is that it’s an incredibly awful idea, the thing will probably die down on its own, and everyone will have learned something useful (maybe!). Best, Dan > On 10 Nov 2021, at 12:19, Klaus Lackner <klaus.lack...@asu.edu> wrote: > > The abstract is also wrong about energy consumption. Photosynthesis is > inefficient. If one percent of the light goes into biomass it is doing well. > You also need to account for the inefficiency of generating light. So at > best you need a hundred times as much energy as you would get out of carbon > in the first place. Even the worst of air capture is better than that. > > All told this is a huge boondoggle. It is bad for the environment, it > consumes ridiculous amounts of energy, and as a result it is hugely > expensive. > > Klaus > > > > From: geoengineering@googlegroups.com <geoengineering@googlegroups.com> on > behalf of Jessica Gurevitch <jessica.gurevi...@stonybrook.edu> > Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 09:52 > To: infogeo...@gmail.com <infogeo...@gmail.com> > Cc: geoengineering <geoengineering@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: [geo] Exploration of a novel geoengineering solution: lighting > up tropical forests at night > > This is a truly awful idea. These authors are apparently totally ignorant of, > or uninterested in, the natural world of ecological communities and of > biodiversity. Many, many organisms in tropical forests depend on nighttime > darkness to survive and function. The "unintended (or uninformed) > consequences" of this are horrifically mind blowing. > Jessica > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Jessica Gurevitch > Distinguished Professor and Co-Chair > Department of Ecology and Evolution > Stony Brook University > Stony Brook, NY 11794-5245 USA > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 1:54 AM Geoeng Info <infogeo...@gmail.com > <mailto:infogeo...@gmail.com>> wrote: > https://esd.copernicus.org/preprints/esd-2021-85/ > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/esd.copernicus.org/preprints/esd-2021-85/__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!N45BLASZM9G7aaXXEFsbbLrZP2fpZleDpKDU4RFQN0qSdBB6Gh6qSHqfbFTClIJTvKo$> > > Exploration of a novel geoengineering solution: lighting up tropical forests > at night > > > > Xueyuan Gao, Shunlin Liang, Dongdong Wang, Yan Li, Bin He, Aolin Jia > > Abstract. > > Plants primarily conduct photosynthesis in the daytime, offering an > opportunity to increase photosynthesis and carbon sink by providing light at > night. We used a fully coupled Earth System Model to quantify the carbon > sequestration and climate effects of a novel carbon removal proposal: > lighting up tropical forests at night via lamp networks above the forest > canopy. Simulation results show that additional light increased tropical > forest carbon sink by 10.4 ± 0.05 petagrams of carbon per year during a > 16-year lighting experiment, resulting in a decrease in atmospheric CO2 and > suppression of global warming. In addition, local temperature and > precipitation increased. The energy requirement for capturing one ton of > carbon is lower than that of Direct Air Carbon Capture. 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