Re: [geo] Robock interview in Bull. Atom. Sci.

2015-04-17 Thread Jamais Cascio
avoiding mitigation is almost certain to increase the severity of known and much more probable causes of conflict No question. There’s already been discussion of the Syrian civil war as being a climate-triggered conflict (Andrew linked an article to this list early in March), and there’s

Re: [geo] Robock interview in Bull. Atom. Sci.

2015-04-17 Thread Andrew Lockley
What makes you think that geoengineering would be the trigger for nuclear war anymore than everything else people have been squabbling over for the last seventy years? A On 17 Apr 2015 21:00, Alan Robock rob...@envsci.rutgers.edu wrote: Cloud control: Climatologist Alan Robock on the effects of

Re: [geo] Robock interview in Bull. Atom. Sci.

2015-04-17 Thread Fred Zimmerman
I think people are concerned about conflict from geoengineering but I don't think they are any more concerned about nuclear war risks from geoengineering than from any other cause of conflict and probably much less so. I would agree that preventing new causes of conflict is a credible reason for

Re: [geo] Robock interview in Bull. Atom. Sci.

2015-04-17 Thread Jamais Cascio
This isn’t that difficult to see. A country takes desperate action taken in order to support/protect itself, but that action has global effects, including the potential for major system-disrupting changes to critical ocean-atmospheric systems already under enormous stress. One nation’s

Re: [geo] Robock interview in Bull. Atom. Sci.

2015-04-17 Thread Jamais Cascio
I fully agree that it should in no way deter research. I’m hopeful that said research will help to ameliorate some of the fears of unwanted side-effects that would be a driver of international friction. And I really really hope that your third bullet point below holds true. -Jamais On Apr

Re: [geo] Robock interview in Bull. Atom. Sci.

2015-04-17 Thread Fred Zimmerman
I agree with the theoretical proposition that this could be a cause of high-level state-to-state conflict, but it should also be recognized that there are a number of factors that tend to make this an unlikely scenario and should not deter or delay research. * Attribution is always likely to be