[geo] Carbon dioxide hits a new high, but geo-engineering won’t help - Steve Sherwood

2013-05-11 Thread Andrew Lockley
http://theconversation.com/carbon-dioxide-hits-a-new-high-but-geo-engineering-wont-help-13840 Carbon dioxide hits a new high, but geo-engineering won’t help Steve Sherwood Director, Climate Change Research Centre at University of New South Wales This week, carbon dioxide concentration in the

Re: [geo] Carbon dioxide hits a new high, but geo-engineering won’t help - Steve Sherwood

2013-05-11 Thread Emily L-B
I find it hard to read past a sentence when it is fundamentally flawed: the word 'instead' should read 'as well as'! 'Instead of reducing carbon emissions, let’s tinker' How frustrating! Best wishes all, Emily Sent from my BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Andrew Lockley

Re: [geo] Carbon dioxide hits a new high, but geo-engineering won’t help - Steve Sherwood

2013-05-11 Thread Tom Wigley
Exactly. People seem to have already forgotten the following ... Wigley, T.M.L., 2006: A combined mitigation/geoengineering approach to climate stabilization. Science 314, 452–454. Tom. On 5/11/2013 7:26 AM, Emily L-B wrote: I find it hard to read past a sentence

[geo] 400 ppm: Get used to it

2013-05-11 Thread RAU greg
Lots of hand-wringing here from our fellow scientists (below), but no mention of Plan B's - Scientists say that unless far greater efforts are made soon, the goal of limiting the warming will become impossible without severe economic disruption. “If you’re looking to stave off climate

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2013-05-11 Thread David Lewis
In his 2010 book* Requiem For a Species *Clive accepts and cites the Alice Bows/Kevin Anderson view that civilization as we know it is almost certainly committed as of now to an unstable 4 degree warming this century, and that change of that magnitude threatens its existence. (Anderson

Re: [geo] Why geoengineering is not ‘global public good’, and why it's ethically misleading to frame it as one

2013-05-11 Thread Alan Robock
Dear Emily, IPCC has used standard definitions of these terms for decades. They are jargon, but the community accepts these definitions, rather than a broader dictionary definition. Mitigation means reducing emissions that cause global warming. Alan Robock Alan Robock, Distinguished

Re: [geo] Carbon dioxide hits a new high, but geo-engineering won’t help - Steve Sherwood

2013-05-11 Thread euggordon
Emily: Good point. It is also true that at 400 ppm the global temperature has not increased by several degrees as it did way back (temperature units not given) yet 3-5 million years ago the same concentration presumably produced a much larger temperature increase if the units are Celsius.

Re: [geo] Carbon dioxide hits a new high, but geo-engineering won’t help - Steve Sherwood

2013-05-11 Thread rongretlarson
List and 3 ccs : I just came across today this 2 minute video that addresses (demolishes?):the constant recent temperature argument http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_0JZRIHFtk I don't have the background to know if the modifications were done correctly, but there must be many on this list

Re: [geo] Why geoengineering is not ‘global public good’, and why it's ethically misleading to frame it as one

2013-05-11 Thread rongretlarson
Alan cc list and Emily Shucks. I agree with you about the SRM form of geo not being mitigation. But I was hoping that this list might agree that the mitigation term reducing could/should be interpreted broadly enough to include removing. The reason to not do so is what? Ron -

Re: [geo] Why geoengineering is not Œglobal public good¹, and why it's ethically misleading to frame it as one

2013-05-11 Thread Mike MacCracken
This has been my way of thinking about this as well. And this way the options for the future continue to be a combination of mitigation, adaptation, and suffering, with the last likely to become more and more evident, given the slow pace of (and vested interest opposition to) mitigation and the