[geo] Re: Researchers propose 'cocktail geo-engineering' to save climate

2017-07-31 Thread Florian Rabitz
I guess a major problem with a cocktail approach would be the amplification of uncertainties. How would we be able to attribute the outcomes to either technique? An increase in global precipitation might result either from the effect of CCT being larger-than-expected or from the effect of aeroso

Re: [geo] Re: Researchers propose 'cocktail geo-engineering' to save climate

2017-07-31 Thread Andrew Lockley
As long as the effects were largely exclusive, cocktail geoengineering could greatly reduce impacts from side effects, as they may have non-linear impacts. For example, techniques A&B have two different side effects, each with damages proportional to the square of the dose. Both are equally damagi

Re: [geo] CLIMEWORKS

2017-07-31 Thread Peter Eisenberger
The Global Thermostat technology for which I am the CTO has operated plants at comparable capacity and at lower cost than Climeworks many years ago. We are currently building our first commercial plant that will be operational next year at under $100 dollars per tonne,both Capex and Opex , and can

Re: [geo] Re: Researchers propose 'cocktail geo-engineering' to save climate

2017-07-31 Thread Stephen Salter
Hi All Florian is worried about separating the effects of different components of a mixture of cocktails. It should be possible to do this for techniques with a high frequency response by turning them on and off with different random sequences and correlating the results at different observi

Fwd: Re: [geo] Re: Researchers propose 'cocktail geo-engineering' to save climate

2017-07-31 Thread Stephen Salter
Christoph I tested the idea by adding or subtracting 16 different amplitudes of temperature change to a real 20-year temperature record and then trying to measure each amplitude knowing only the sequences of the changes. I did this nine times with results below. I could not afford a thermo

Re: [geo] Re: Researchers propose 'cocktail geo-engineering' to save climate

2017-07-31 Thread Christoph Voelker
Hi all, this engineering approach of separately switching cocktail components on and off is probably not so simple: attribution and detection of climate change are notoriously difficult (which has been exploited a lot by climate change deniers), with the main problem that both require knowled

Re: [geo] Re: Researchers propose 'cocktail geo-engineering' to save climate

2017-07-31 Thread Adam Dorr
I would strongly discourage researchers from using flippant terms such as "cocktail" rather than more formal descriptors (e.g. "combined" or "integrated" or "multiple", in this case). Careless terminology is likely to invite problematic framings in the discourse, which will then present as obstacle

Re: [geo] Re: Researchers propose 'cocktail geo-engineering' to save climate

2017-07-31 Thread Andrew Lockley
Adam Do you refer to "black holes" as "gravitationally completely collapsed objects"? Snappy terms stick. A On 31 July 2017 at 18:37, Adam Dorr wrote: > I would strongly discourage researchers from using flippant terms such as > "cocktail" rather than more formal descriptors (e.g. "combined"

Re: [geo] Re: Researchers propose 'cocktail geo-engineering' to save climate

2017-07-31 Thread Adam Dorr
In the case of black holes there are no policymaking or governance consequences to using flippant terms, but in the case of "fracking", for example, which was the subject of my PhD dissertation, the term exerted a disproportionately large influence on the discourse. As it happens, "fracking" was an

Re: [geo] Re: Researchers propose 'cocktail geo-engineering' to save climate

2017-07-31 Thread Florian Rabitz
To be honest, I don't think there are any policy-making consequences here since public attitudes to geoengineering cannot possibly get worse than they already are. That being said, the use of "sticky terms" in the broader debate is very interesting. I think it was ETC Group that tried to popula

[geo] Climate change will change the way we use our land – Climate Council

2017-07-31 Thread Andrew Lockley
Irish Farmers Journal / News / News / Climate change will change the way we use our land – Climate Council

[geo] Special joint AMS session on climate engineering

2017-07-31 Thread David Mitchell
Last week at the Gordon Conference on Climate Engineering, a special session on climate engineering was organized as part of the 98th AMS Annual Meeting in Austin Texas. This is a joint session hosted by the 21st Conference on Planned and Inadvertent Weather Modification and the Tenth Symposium