[geo] Re: Fwd: Re: 1. Using Lair to plug methane vents, 2. Using LN2 to fight tundra wildfires, 3. Capturing methane during Lair/LN2 liquefaction

2011-05-12 Thread Stephen Salter
John Thank you for your flattering if inaccurate opinion. Before you can assess the feasibility of any sealing idea you need to know what the source pressure will do as the flow rate is reduced and the shear strength of the walls of the passage you are trying to block. I have a nasty

Re: [geo] Re: Fwd: Re: 1. Using Lair to plug methane vents, 2. Using LN2 to fight tundra wildfires, 3. Capturing methane during Lair/LN2 liquefaction

2011-05-12 Thread Andrew Lockley
If I understand correctly, the proposal is to maintain or renew existing permafrost or ice plugs and covers The existence of a prior cap indicates clearly that the seal is viable. It's not necessary to contain a pressure, as the clathrate pressure balances that of sea water. The challenge is to

Re: [geo] Digest for geoengineering@googlegroups.com - 9 Messages in 1 Topic

2011-05-12 Thread nathan currier
Thanks, Mike, for the excellent responses, with which I agree 100%. Do you have handy a link to the new UNEP assessment you mention? I'd much like to see it. One of the things that often perplexes me is why CCS from burning coal at a plant is generally considered geoengineering, but trapping the

[geo] Re: Lecture on Methane Hydrates by Dr. Mariam Kastner

2011-05-12 Thread Michael Hayes
Hi Folks, This idea is just an early thought and may not be practicalBut, here it goes. If you take a look at this paper http://www.mumm-research.de/download_pdf/treude_et_al_aom_hr.pdf Pg 2 The AOM consortium predominant at HR consists of sulfate-reducing bacteria of the branch

[geo] Re: Fwd: Re: 1. Using Lair to plug methane vents, 2. Using LN2 to fight tundra wildfires, 3. Capturing methane during Lair/LN2 liquefaction

2011-05-12 Thread Michael Hayes
Dr. Salter, This came through yesterday and your cloud brighting effort came to mind. http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-05-scientists-links-biology-cloud-formation.html What would you think of spicing up the cloud brighting with this (* dimethylsulfid)* compound? I could see the bilge water

Re: [geo] Digest for geoengineering@googlegroups.com - 9 Messages in 1 Topic

2011-05-12 Thread Michael Hayes
Hi Nathan, Please let me clean up my statement here. I think you have just made my point in that we are getting a good handle on the complexities of the many chemical/biological issues of the different aspects of GE. And, that accumulation and synthesis of knowledge isby and largefrom

[geo] Re: New law review symposium issue on geoengineering

2011-05-12 Thread Wil Burns
Hi Michael, Thanks for responding again. A few more thoughts above. On May 11, 10:47 am, Michael Hayes voglerl...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for the response. As to 1); The principal aspects of SRM, in that they are both technologically simple and cheap, makes the assumption of failure seem

Re: [geo] Re: Fwd: Re: 1. Using Lair to plug methane vents, 2. Using LN2 to fight tundra wildfires, 3. Capturing methane during Lair/LN2 liquefaction

2011-05-12 Thread Stephen Salter
Michael I agree that small drops of dimethyl sulphide make excellent cloud condensation nuclei because I have complete trust in the work of James Lovelock who suggested it. However I am trying to avoid the need for any replenishment of consumables in mid-ocean. I would not be nearly as

Re: [geo] Digest for geoengineering@googlegroups.com - 9 Messages in 1 Topic

2011-05-12 Thread Mike MacCracken
The Summary for Policymakers of the UNEP/WMO report, which is all that I think is so far released, is at http://www.unep.org/dewa/Portals/67/pdf/Black_Carbon.pdf They basically discuss something like 16 key emissions reduction targets to focus on first or most aggressively (or maybe just to show

Re: [geo] Re: New law review symposium issue on geoengineering

2011-05-12 Thread Alvia Gaskill
SRM would require 500-1000 year deployments of technologies that future generations might consider anathema. So you have no faith in CDR? Did you just make up the 500-1000 yr time frame? If you want to assume we have to wait until the CO2 and other GHG levels return to pre-industrial on

[geo] Re: New law review symposium issue on geoengineering

2011-05-12 Thread Michael Hayes
Will, You can be persuasive..are you a lawyer?:) If it may please the court..? * Somehow I think we know a lot more about the brake systems of cars, borne out by 100 years of experience, than the effectiveness of SRM technologies. Beyond the fact that a number of experts have

Re: [geo] Re: New law review symposium issue on geoengineering

2011-05-12 Thread Alvia Gaskill
Even, assuming you're right, we could utilize SRM simply for a century long transition to CDR, suppose it results in massive droughts in Southeast Asia and the Amazon, as some have argued, are you fine with that from an ethical perspective? Yes, some of those regions will face serious climatic

[geo] Re: New law review symposium issue on geoengineering

2011-05-12 Thread Wil Burns
Thanks, Michael; we obviously don't view this the same way, but I appreciate the colloquy. And we're not that far apart in many ways (which is why I don't think ETC Group would ever embrace me as one of their own). I could accept SRM as part of a legally binding agreement with stepwise reductions

[geo] Re: New law review symposium issue on geoengineering

2011-05-12 Thread Michael Hayes
Ok Will, I also enjoyed the the challenge of our exchange. I learned much from it. Locking reduction with deployment would be ideal and logical; a rare combination. You have faith in policy and I have faith in our ability to solve technical problems. Those that come after us may look back on

[geo] Senate hearing

2011-05-12 Thread Rau, Greg
For those interested, archived webcast of Thurs Senate hearing on CCS and air capture here: http://energy.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?Fuseaction=Hearings.LiveStreamHearing_id=bc9e9485-df04-5fb0-8621-ac3afa2b26a6 But perhaps I can save you the agony of watching. The continued economic

[geo] Re: New law review symposium issue on geoengineering

2011-05-12 Thread Michael Hayes
One last thought, Wil. Don't bet on rare combinations! Casinos make Lots of money of those.for a reason! Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups geoengineering group. To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. To