Re: [geo] Re: The great experiment is started

2011-07-25 Thread Michael Hayes
Hello Michele and Hiroshi, Thanks for the work you shared. I have put some study effort into atmospheric electrical processes in general and, in particular, the Global Electrical Circuit (GEC) and the effect on cloud nucleation. You mentioned no additional heat source around Nordham. Beyond the

RE: [geo] Re: The great experiment is started

2011-07-25 Thread Eugene Gordon
Here is a trivial point. I disagree that wind energy changes climate. Rather it influences weather locally. If one turns off the wind turbines presumably the weather is quickly restored to its normal state. Moreover the objective was to produce energy; and not to influence weather or climate. I

RE: [geo] Re: Jim Hansen : 1 to 2DegC and 20m sea level rise

2011-07-25 Thread Eugene Gordon
To All: It is perhaps worthwhile to be reminded that the history of the Earth's average temperature is known from geological and proxy studies going back 450 million years. A good reference is the www.scotese.com website. In all cases an ice age was followed by an increase to about 25C which

Fwd: [geo] Re: Jim Hansen : 1 to 2DegC and 20m sea level rise

2011-07-25 Thread nathan currier
Thanks, Andrew, his email's there, just after the phone/fax. -- Forwarded message -- From: Andrew Lockley andrew.lock...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 5:08 AM Subject: Re: [geo] Re: Jim Hansen : 1 to 2DegC and 20m sea level rise To: nathan currier natcurr...@gmail.com

RE: [geo] Re: The great experiment is started

2011-07-25 Thread Jürgen Michele
A free jet can create clouds and rain ... http://alamaro.home.comcast.net/~alamaro/WMA_April_2006.pdf JOURNAL OF WEATHER MODIFICATION Volume 38 - Reviewed - A Preliminary Assessment of Inducing Anthropogenic Tropical Cyclones Using Compressible Free Jets and the Potential for Hurricane

Re: [geo] Jim Hansen : 1 to 2DegC and 20m sea level rise

2011-07-25 Thread Andrew Lockley
For an alternative perspective on committed warming, note the following: Comment in SciAm http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=guaranteed-global-warming-with-existing-fossil-fuel-infrastructure Paper in Science http://www.sciencemag.org/content/329/5997/1330.abstract Slowing climate

[geo] Remarkable 70 year old geoengineering experiment

2011-07-25 Thread Andrew Lockley
From New Scientist, also abstract below. Article http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20667-second-world-war-bombers-changed-the-weather.html Abstract http://doi.wiley.com/10.1002/joc.2392 Article Second world war bombers changed the weather 00:01 08 July 2011 by Michael Marshall For similar

Re: [geo] Jim Hansen : 1 to 2DegC and 20m sea level rise

2011-07-25 Thread rongretlarson
List, Andrew, John , David , Ken Andrew - I have re-read the paper you have cited below and decided to try to put the numbers there into the context of the paper by Dr. David Wasdell that you alerted us to on the 20th - which I also. found fascinating. For others, I am referring to a large

Re: [geo] Re: Jim Hansen : 1 to 2DegC and 20m sea level rise

2011-07-25 Thread Michael Hayes
Hi Folks, This thread has many aspects which point to the need for a full fledged website dedicated to the full spectrum of GE issues. Hansen et al. is showing a willingness to stretch the norms in scientific writing to maybe express the severity of the situation in terms that the general public