Re: [geo] We can now harvest electricity from Earth's heat using quantum tunnelling

2018-02-11 Thread Klaus Lackner
Adrian Tuck Reply-To: "dr.adrian.t...@sciencespectrum.co.uk" Date: Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 23:00 To: Klaus Lackner Cc: "david.app...@gmail.com" , geoengineering , "voglerl...@gmail.com" Subject: Re: [geo] We can now harvest electricity from Earth's heat

Re: [geo] We can now harvest electricity from Earth's heat using quantum tunnelling

2018-02-11 Thread Adrian Tuck
Try this: https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.jpca.7b03112?ref=jpcafhVI-vaida-articles It’s open access. The problem is in defining the system, with the further difficulty that you cannot apply equilibrium thermodynamics to the the planet and its spatial environment. Adrian On 12 Feb 2018,

Re: [geo] We can now harvest electricity from Earth's heat using quantum tunnelling

2018-02-11 Thread Klaus Lackner
I had an Intel student work this out in 2001, he actually won a price for it. The basic idea is the same, if you transmit infrared radiation to the sky the radiator cools and you can run a heat engine against ambient conditions. On 2/10/18, 18:41, "geoengineering@googlegroups.com on behalf of

Re: [geo] We can now harvest electricity from Earth's heat using quantum tunnelling

2018-02-10 Thread David Appell
The Second Law of Thermodynamics means you can't solely operate a heat engine from a cold bath to a warm bath -- whether the cold bath is the troposphere, or the ocean. But, as Michael Hayes mentioned, you *can* run a heat engine between the troposphere (or surface) and space. But building such

Re: [geo] We can now harvest electricity from Earth's heat using quantum tunnelling

2018-02-10 Thread Michael Hayes
Hi Folks, In this overall category of tech, Emissive Energy Harvesting is about 4-5 years old now: http://www.pnas.org/content/111/11/3927.short The mid-infrared energy can be converted to energy that can be either used as electrical energy or simply beamed off the planet without affecting the

Re: [geo] We can now harvest electricity from Earth's heat using quantum tunnelling

2018-02-09 Thread Adrian Tuck
It depends where in the IR you are talking about. There is solar flux incoming in the near IR about 1-4 microns, nett outgoing beyond about 4 microns. The outgoing is the planet’s dissipation, the entropic price paid for the organisation resulting from the atmospheric and oceanic circulation, th