Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-19 Thread RS
There seems to have been a new development in the direction of getting worse. BBC Business Live (b07p4t1f) and News at One (b07myk09) HLShd1 have both produced --raw .ts files which I can't play with VLC 2.2.4. With the earlier problem files Tools did not show Media or Codec information and

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-19 Thread Vangelis forthnet
On Thu Aug 18 20:06:01 BST 2016, RS wrote: It was using the same server, cp401489-vh.akamaihd.net "cp401489-vh.akamaihd.net" is just a CDN's server hostname; it doesn't point to a unique physical server, only. You can read more about CDNs and Akamai at:

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-18 Thread RS
From: RS Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 17:46 That's interesting. I have tried it again and I get the same missing segments as before. This time I let it continue to the end and the only missing segment after 43 was 155. We do agree on some of them, so I don't know what it means. I did

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-18 Thread RS
From: Vangelis forthnet Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 15:38 hlshd1 is now present but there are errors at 4, 9, 10, 15, 16, 17, 33, 34, 36, 43 ... I just tried: perl get_iplayer-295.pl --pid=b07p4swg --tvmode=hlshd1 --raw My download had eight (8) missing segments (for a ca. 25min

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-18 Thread RS
From: Jim web Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 17:05 The point that was made to me is that the actual audio is HE but is *misdescribed* in the headers because the header can't correctly describe this. So it relies on the renderer/client to spot what the data format really is. When I looked

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-18 Thread Jim web
In article , Vangelis forthnet wrote: > On Thu Aug 18 10:06:01 BST 2016, Jim web wrote: > > I've been told that the root cause is that these use HE-AAC which the > > MPEG2 TS spec can't correctly describe. So it is called

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-18 Thread Vangelis forthnet
On Thu Aug 18 10:06:01 BST 2016, Jim web wrote: I've been told that the root cause is that these use HE-AAC which the MPEG2 TS spec can't correctly describe. So it is called aac-lc and it is left to the client program to recognise the actual codec. On Thu Aug 18 15:15:23 BST 2016, Jim web

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-18 Thread Vangelis forthnet
On Thu Aug 18 11:39:35 BST 2016, RS wrote: hlshd1 is now present but there are errors at 4, 9, 10, 15, 16, 17, 33, 34, 36, 43 ... ... Just out of curiosity (and since I'm not a cat), I just tried: perl get_iplayer-295.pl --pid=b07p4swg --tvmode=hlshd1 --raw My download had eight (8) missing

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-18 Thread Jim web
In article <55b1856f52...@audiomisc.co.uk>, Jim web wrote: > > Example... get_iplayer --mode=hlsstd --type=radio --verbose --force > > --ffmpeg /home/user/ffmpeg http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07nn8kd > Excellent! :-) Thanks very much. I've now built the version of

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-18 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 09:44:43PM +0200, iz wrote: > > >From: David Cantrell > > >> >I'd like to rate-limit get_iplayer so that other things on the same > > >> >machine that are also talking to the internet don't run like stunned > If you are using OS X, this approach worked for me: >

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-18 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:03:20PM +0100, RS wrote: > Maybe I'm missing something, but I find that incredible. The Mac is sold > as a machine which allows creative people to create without having to > bother with technicalities. And a Ferrari is sold as something that will turn you into a

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-18 Thread Jim web
In article , RS wrote: > >From: Jim web Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 09:44 > >But the actual application of any fix will be being done by someone > >else. People at the BBC can, of course, check the output results. But > >may not

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-18 Thread Jim web
In article <1569d0d6842.c393cad6181596.4714555984937837...@zoho.com>, batguano999 wrote: > Hi If you have a version of FFmpeg, either compiled and installed by > yourself or a static one in a folder somewhere downloaded from > http://johnvansickle.com/ffmpeg/ You can tell

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-18 Thread RS
From: RS Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 10:52 BBC Business Live 0830-0900 BBC News (b07p4swg) took longer to appear today than yesterday. Its best HLS is only HLSvhigh and still has lots of errors at 3, 7, 8, 16, 17, 22, 23, 25, 26, 27, 28, 32, 35 ... hlshd1 is now present but there

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-18 Thread RS
From: Jim web Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 09:44 But the actual application of any fix will be being done by someone else. People at the BBC can, of course, check the output results. But may not be able to check the details of what is being actually done by others. BBC Business Live

Re: Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-18 Thread batguano999
> >I'll git and build a current version of ffmpeg as it is about time I did >this anyway. But the gip related question this raises in my mind is that, >having done this, how best to have gip use such a new version for its >after-fetch conversions? > Hi If you have a version of FFmpeg,

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-18 Thread Jim web
In article , tellyaddict wrote: > Thanks Jim, > > Afraid the info I have is limited. But it makes clear that the BBC > > realise there *is* a problem with the hls segmentation and that

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-18 Thread Jim web
I now have some info that helps me understand the 'missing audio' problem with the hvfhd fetched files. I've been told that the root cause is that these use HE-AAC which the MPEG2 TS spec can't correctly describe. So it is called aac-lc and it is left to the client program to recognise the actual

RE: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-18 Thread George Eycott
> base on an unsupported hypothesis that get_iplayer only fetches invalid > chunks because it is fetching much faster than any real client. My "unsupported" hypothesis was based on the fact that normal IPlayer users do not seem to be having (or rather are not noticing) the problem and the speed

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-17 Thread tellyaddict
Thanks Jim, > Afraid the info I have is limited. But it makes clear that the BBC realise > there *is* a problem with the hls segmentation and that Akamai are said to > have a fix which is supposed to be being put in place. However I'd have > thought that would happen today. Might be my

RE: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-17 Thread MacFH - C E Macfarlane
Please see below ... > -Original Message- > From: get_iplayer [mailto:get_iplayer-boun...@lists.infradead.org] On > Behalf Of Vangelis forthnet > Sent: 17 August 2016 09:58 > To: get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org > Subject: Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync > > On Tue Aug

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-17 Thread Jim web
In article , tellyaddict wrote: > Great so now the programmes are mostly made up of missing segments. > Hopefully this shows they are trying to do something to the servers to > fix this

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-17 Thread Jim web
In article <04EBC8DD8B6A48BCA3403FECE9D1FC59@RJCDESK>, RS wrote: > If anything it seems to be getting much worse. I tried the BBC1 > national News at One (b07myjll). There were errors at 2, 3, 6, 25, 33, > 39, 43, 44, 63, 71, 72, 73 ... > The errors are getting closer

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-17 Thread tellyaddict
Great so now the programmes are mostly made up of missing segments. Hopefully this shows they are trying to do something to the servers to fix this issue. Whatever they have done so far though appears to have had the opposite effect. @jim Do you have any info on what the problem is or what's

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-17 Thread RS
From: Jim web Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 16:05 I have just tried BBC Business Live broadcast at 0830 to 0900 on BBC News (b07p4sqp) this morning again hlshd1. It had errors at 9, 10, 12, 13, 21, 22, 35, 39, 44, 48 ... OK. Thanks. Whatever the reasons, the problems seem to be

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-17 Thread Jim web
In article , RS wrote: > >From: Jim web Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 13:17 > >I don't know from the pid when b07pmyd6 was broadcast or put on-server. > >Was that last night? If so, it looks like the fix hasn't been done yet, >

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-17 Thread Vangelis forthnet
On Wed Aug 17 13:17:46 BST 2016, Jim web wrote: I don't know from the pid when b07pmyd6 was broadcast ... You can use the following template: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes//broadcasts ergo http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07pmyd6/broadcasts => BBC Two, 16 Aug 2016, 20:00 BST [or use

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-17 Thread RS
From: Jim web Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 13:17 I don't know from the pid when b07pmyd6 was broadcast or put on-server. Was that last night? If so, it looks like the fix hasn't been done yet, or hasn't worked. I'll ask someone about it... but note that they in turn have to refer though

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-17 Thread Jim web
In article <1CF29C0BD25A48F5A6104EEDFD6C635F@RJCDESK>, RS wrote: > >From: Jim web Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 10:03 > >> Yes, that may be what's happening. I am using a relatively old LTS > >> version of Mint. I don't want to upgrade distro juts for this, so > >> I'll

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-17 Thread RS
From: Jim web Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 10:03 Yes, that may be what's happening. I am using a relatively old LTS version of Mint. I don't want to upgrade distro juts for this, so I'll see if I can update either VLC or avconv. Is this from

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-17 Thread Jim web
In article <55b083fabc...@audiomisc.co.uk>, Jim web wrote: > Yes, that may be what's happening. I am using a relatively old LTS > version of Mint. I don't want to upgrade distro juts for this, so I'll > see if I can update either VLC or avconv. Update on this: This

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-17 Thread Vangelis forthnet
On Tue Aug 16 20:25:00 BST 2016, C E Macfarlane wrote: I was searching each night's log for the word 'error', but in fact the missing segment messages come up as 'WARNING'. It's not a big problem now that I've realised my mistake, but I think that message ought to be changed to 'ERROR',

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-16 Thread Owen Smith
I believe this approach is specifically to slow down get_iplayer's use of the network far below what would be considered it's reasonable share. This is based on a request someone made to be able to do this, base on an unsupported hypothesis that get_iplayer only fetches invalid chunks because

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-16 Thread RS
From: iz Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 20:44 If you are using OS X, this approach worked for me: https://dreness.com/blog/archives/843 Just change "dummynet out" to "dummynet in" and change the bandwidth limit to desired value. Maybe I'm missing something, but I find that incredible.

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-16 Thread iz
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 4:39 PM > From: RS > > >From: David Cantrell > >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 14:42 > > >> >I'd like to rate-limit get_iplayer so that other things on the same > >> >machine that are also talking to the internet don't run like stunned >

RE: RE: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-16 Thread MacFH - C E Macfarlane
Please see below ... > -Original Message- > From: get_iplayer [mailto:get_iplayer-boun...@lists.infradead.org] On > Behalf Of MacFH - C E Macfarlane > Sent: 14 August 2016 14:19 > To: 'tellyaddict'; 'get_iplayer' > Subject: RE: RE: Audio/Video Out of Sync > >

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-16 Thread Jim web
In article , Vangelis forthnet wrote: > On Tue Aug 16 09:28:04 BST 2016, Jim web wrote: > >> I think what has caused confusion is that the transition from v2.94 > >> to v2.95 made several changes at the same time. > >

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-16 Thread Vangelis forthnet
On Tue Aug 16 09:28:04 BST 2016, Jim web wrote: I think what has caused confusion is that the transition from v2.94 to v2.95 made several changes at the same time. (snip) Yes. My apologies for missing this change. Yet, you had been made aware of those changes in a verbose manner with my

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-16 Thread RS
From: David Cantrell Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 14:42 >I'd like to rate-limit get_iplayer so that other things on the same >machine that are also talking to the internet don't run like stunned >slugs >>in treacle. >>Second, I'm not using Linux. >You don't say which non-Linux operating

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-16 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:46:51PM +0100, RS wrote: > >From: David Cantrell Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 23:37 > >I'd like to rate-limit get_iplayer so that other things on the same > >machine that are also talking to the internet don't run like stunned slugs > >in treacle. > >Second, I'm not

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-16 Thread tellyaddict
Sounds positive :) Any ideas what the problems are and why they've taken so long to fix? > Had an email this morning. Just to say that, with some luck, we may find > that the missing segments problem could be cured soon. Fingers crossed... ___

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-16 Thread tellyaddict
> I've never tried the --raw option. Might it help with the following? > > A number of the files I fetched yesterday morning had reported missing > segments. This specified time offsets in secs. I had a look at those > points. > > In some cases there was no sign of a problem. In others the video

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-16 Thread Jim web
In article <42FEE022394C42678F695912B6A2FFEC@RJCDESK>, RS wrote: > >From: Jim web Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:14 > > >From: Jim web Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 16:48 > > >However the 'American in Paris' snippet file I fetched gives no sound > > >at all from VLC! The

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-16 Thread RS
From: David Cantrell Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 23:37 I'd like to rate-limit get_iplayer so that other things on the same machine that are also talking to the internet don't run like stunned slugs in treacle. Second, I'm not using Linux. You don't say which non-Linux operating system

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-16 Thread RS
From: Jim web Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:14 >From: Jim web Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 16:48 >However the 'American in Paris' snippet file I fetched gives no sound >at all from VLC! The video looks fine, but its a silent film! 8-) Does this have any relevance to your silent problem?

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-16 Thread Jim web
Had an email this morning. Just to say that, with some luck, we may find that the missing segments problem could be cured soon. Fingers crossed... Jim -- Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/intro/electron.htm Armstrong Audio

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-16 Thread Jim web
In article <887A76E5507D40D498F63F902B02CA7A@RJCDESK>, RS wrote: > >From: Jim web Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 17:59 > >This morning I used the 'best' option, but it now occurs to me: Does > >that no longer use the 'flash' mode? I just tried a couple of fetches >

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-16 Thread Jim web
In article , tellyaddict wrote: > The GiP output will also tell you which mode it has used to download. > "INFO: Trying flashvhigh1 mode to record tv: Britain on Film: Series 1 - > 2. Brits

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-16 Thread Jim web
In article , tellyaddict wrote: > The sync problems are caused by converting a programme with missing > segments after download. --raw files have no sync issues even if there > are segments

Re: RE: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-15 Thread tellyaddict
I don't think it's speed that's the issue. You can try downloading the failed segments in a browser and they fail because they are just not on the server. Working segments (eg. the one before the failure) will download fine. __ > Having a thought about this, when you stream something

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-15 Thread David Cantrell
On 2016-08-15, 18:08, John Bingham wrote: On 15/08/16 17:42, David Cantrell wrote: I think that's unlikely. That said, if someone were to add rate-limiting options to get_iplayer I'd be very happy. Fairly easy to slow down everything on a Linux interface. If anyone has the time/inclination,

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-15 Thread RS
From: George Eycott Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 15:52 Having a thought about this, when you stream something through IPlayer or on a device of any sort to watch as it streams, it pulls data at a far lower rate than when we try and download the whole programme in one hit. I wonder whether it

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-15 Thread Alan Milewczyk
On 15/08/16 22:07, RS wrote: S I think what has caused confusion is that the transition from v2.94 to v2.95 made several changes at the same time. Agreed HLS and HVF support were added. HLS was already available in v2.94, I've been using it for ages, ever since I found that I could

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-15 Thread RS
Sorry I sent this to the wrong address. From: Jim web Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 17:59 This morning I used the 'best' option, but it now occurs to me: Does that no longer use the 'flash' mode? I just tried a couple of fetches explicitly specifying 'flash' and they fetched OK, as I was

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-15 Thread RS
From: Jim web Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 17:59 This morning I used the 'best' option, but it now occurs to me: Does that no longer use the 'flash' mode? I just tried a couple of fetches explicitly specifying 'flash' and they fetched OK, as I was getting until the last few days. I think

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-15 Thread tellyaddict
The sync problems are caused by converting a programme with missing segments after download. --raw files have no sync issues even if there are segments missing. > > I'm still using V2.94 and no sync problems. > > > > Is the audio out by a constant time (eg 0.3 secs) in a programme? > > > > I

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-15 Thread Peter S Kirk
On 15 Aug 2016 at 18:35, tellyaddict tellyaddict wrote: > > OK, I think this thread has now ran it's course. Enough of the > > speculation and OT chatter. > > I have to disagree. > > I don't think this is OT. This is a current problem with the current version > of

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-15 Thread batguano999
> > I think so far we have worked out quite a lot about the problems ... > > Hi Those hls streams give problems with "some" radio shows too... = = Flash

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-15 Thread tellyaddict
> Not much point in going much further on that point. But over the years I > have learned that speculations about the cause or reason for something are > often helpful in being able to get something sorted out. So I don't agree > with you. We''ll have to differ in our views on this. I think so

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-15 Thread Alan Milewczyk
On 15/08/16 17:59, Jim web wrote: Until a few days ago I was using 'best' and I think this was giving me the 'RTMPDump'. *However* a few days ago I changed from using a 'development' version of 2.95 to the 2.95 released a while ago. At that point, and until today, I've been focussed on trying

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-15 Thread John Bingham
Fairly easy to slow down everything on a Linux interface. If anyone has the time/inclination, maybe worth investigating the tc command. On 15/08/16 17:42, David Cantrell wrote: On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 03:52:52PM +0100, George Eycott wrote: Having a thought about this, when you stream

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-15 Thread Jim web
In article , S Carr wrote: > On 15 August 2016 at 16:33, Jim web wrote: > > If your 'Flash' method differs from mine, please specify the details > > and I'll try it. But at present I am

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-15 Thread Jim web
In article

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-15 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 03:52:52PM +0100, George Eycott wrote: > Having a thought about this, when you stream something through IPlayer or on > a device of any sort to watch as it streams, it pulls data at a far lower > rate than when we try and download the whole programme in one hit. I wonder >

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-15 Thread S Carr
On 15 August 2016 at 17:35, tellyaddict wrote: > We have been told for a long time that the Flash streams will disappear. Not > sure this is really the answer. Being told one thing and it actually happening are not the same. When they disappear then I'll worry about it.

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-15 Thread tellyaddict
> But they want people to shift away from using Akamai, so may not be > concerned. I don't use the standard BBC webpage interfaces, etc, these days > so have no idea if current browsers or BBC apps are being affected by this. > If they are, I'd have expected an outcry by now as this has been

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-15 Thread tellyaddict
> OK, I think this thread has now ran it's course. Enough of the > speculation and OT chatter. I have to disagree. I don't think this is OT. This is a current problem with the current version of GiP that we are trying to work out. > The workaround for most users is to use the old flash streams

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-15 Thread S Carr
On 15 August 2016 at 16:33, Jim web wrote: > If your 'Flash' method differs from mine, please specify the details and > I'll try it. But at present I am spending over an hour per morning fetching > files I then mostly get problems with. From what others have written I >

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-15 Thread Jim web
In article , S Carr wrote: > OK, I think this thread has now ran it's course. Enough of the > speculation and OT chatter. Most of this seems very on topic for this list to me. cf below in case you have missed

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-15 Thread S Carr
OK, I think this thread has now ran it's course. Enough of the speculation and OT chatter. The workaround for most users is to use the old flash streams --modes=flash ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-15 Thread Jim web
In article , tellyaddict wrote: > > I can only speculate here, but: It might be the case that some of > > Akamai's non-BBC 'clients' are wanting the changes for some reasons of > > their

Re: RE: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-15 Thread tellyaddict
> I can only speculate here, but: It might be the case that some of Akamai's > non-BBC 'clients' are wanting the changes for some reasons of their own. Why would anyone ask for broken streams though? > Or they stem from an arrangement the BBC aren't party to. They might be > dealing with it in

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-15 Thread Jim web
In article <01d1f6e4$f74537a0$e5cfa6e0$@macfh.co.uk>, MacFH - C E Macfarlane wrote: > > > > It may only be depreciated as far as the BBC is concerned. Although the > BBC > > is now moving towards packaging its own content, Akamai's other > > clients might continue

RE: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-15 Thread MacFH - C E Macfarlane
Please see below ... > -Original Message- > From: get_iplayer [mailto:get_iplayer-boun...@lists.infradead.org] On > Behalf Of tellyaddict > Sent: 14 August 2016 14:44 > To: get_iplayer > Subject: Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync > > It may only be depreciated as far

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-15 Thread Jim web
In article <6688868477144804BAF7EFA66BCD19BD@RJCDESK>, RS wrote: > >From: Jim web Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 16:48 > >However the 'American in Paris' snippet file I fetched gives no sound > >at all from VLC! The video looks fine, but its a silent film! 8-) > An American

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-15 Thread tellyaddict
The HVF streams are still HLS. The HLS streams that are being classed as legacy though sadly are the 25fps equivalents. __ > It says,"A key to making this work was a switch to chunked HTTP video > formats. We already use these for our live streams and with this change all > new

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-14 Thread RS
From: RS Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 23:31 There is also a link to a blog. The blog I referred to is well worth a read, although it's a year old. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/entries/e2428e08-7e8b-4617-8d39-244e482b8895 It says,"A key to making this work was a switch to chunked

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-14 Thread RS
From: RS Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 22:53 If we had a 25fps equivalent of HVFHD we wouldn't need HLSHD or FlashHD. There are two modes at 960x540. HVFSD is 50fps and HVFvhigh is 25fps. A mode at 1280x720 25fps is the obvious step down from HVFHD, but it isn't there. It's strange since

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-14 Thread RS
From: Jim web Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 14:54 But in the end I assume the correct response is to cease needing the 'deprecated' old arrangements anyway. If we had a 25fps equivalent of HVFHD we wouldn't need HLSHD or FlashHD. There are two modes at 960x540. HVFSD is 50fps and HVFvhigh

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-14 Thread RS
From: Jim web Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 16:48 However the 'American in Paris' snippet file I fetched gives no sound at all from VLC! The video looks fine, but its a silent film! 8-) An American in Paris (p044lmdc) plays fine here with VLC. I used --tvmode hvfhd and it downloaded

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-14 Thread Alan Milewczyk
On 14/08/16 16:48, Jim web wrote: Anyone explain? These files are a bit big to keep trying during the daytime! Although the fetching seems pretty fast, they'd eat up my quota if I had to keep re-fetching. So a more targetted approach to diagnosing this would be good. Is the file weird, or is

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-14 Thread Jim web
A new puzzle springs out at me as I try to negotiate the current 'segmentation' problems. I decided to try the hvfhd1 mode and chose some of the sections of the Wilson / Gershwin Prom check this out. The 'Rhapsody in Blue' snippet file the BBC offer is fine. 50fps 1280x720 with a 125k stereo

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-14 Thread tellyaddict
Another thing to remember is that both Limelight and Akamai are serving the dashhigh streams, so it could be that 1 is behaving better than the other. I might have got lucky yesterday and hit the right server and you might have got unlucky this morning and hit the troublesome one and got the

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-14 Thread Jim web
In article <000101d1f62e$5c323da0$1496b8e0$@macfh.co.uk>, MacFH - C E Macfarlane wrote: > ... and, as Jim has said, it's a legacy system, so why would they be > changing it? It's not impossible of course, but doesn't seem likely if > it's deprecated and due to be

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-14 Thread Jim web
In article , tellyaddict wrote: > That's not a good sign if these errors are starting to creep into DASH > as well. DASH is on the "current" system so shouldn't have problems. > Is it PID

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-14 Thread tellyaddict
> ... and, as Jim has said, it's a legacy system, so why would they be > changing it? It's not impossible of course, but doesn't seem likely if it's > deprecated and due to be discontinued anyway. It may only be depreciated as far as the BBC is concerned. Although the BBC is now moving towards

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-14 Thread tellyaddict
It could be that when a missing segment is found, the servers log it as an error. Then when they review things later, they go back and correct what's been flagged up. As you say it could also be reports from the BBC and users that causes Akamai to go back and fix it. As for why things have got

RE: RE: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-14 Thread MacFH - C E Macfarlane
Thanks for your reply, please see below ... > -Original Message- > From: get_iplayer [mailto:get_iplayer-boun...@lists.infradead.org] On > Behalf Of tellyaddict > Sent: 13 August 2016 21:51 > To: get_iplayer > Subject: Re: RE: Audio/Video Out of Sync > > > Th

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-14 Thread RS
From: tellyaddict Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 21:51 My best guess on why these problems suddenly started about a month ago would be... All of the segmenting, playlist creation etc will be done by some software at Akamai if they are doing the packaging. It's possible that maybe they have

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-13 Thread RS
From: tellyaddict Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 21:31 HLSHD and FlashHD are both 1280x720 25fps HVFHD is 1280x720 50fps, but it probably only applies to Red Button and Olympic channels. Since tellyaddict has quoted what I said about HVFHD, I ought to point out that Alan is quite right, I

Re: RE: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-13 Thread tellyaddict
I wouldn't really say that I have any superior knowledge on this. My best guess on why these problems suddenly started about a month ago would be... All of the segmenting, playlist creation etc will be done by some software at Akamai if they are doing the packaging. It's possible that maybe they

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-13 Thread tellyaddict
It depends what you want. As Richard has said, flashhd and hlshd are pretty much equal to eachother BUT we now know that HLS is on a legacy system and Flash is due to be phased out at some point. All the HLS options run at 25fps but are only supplied by Akamai who (at least for the time being)

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-13 Thread Jim web
In article , RS wrote: > >From: Jim web Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 09:37 > >BTW This morning an mpeg-dash fetch of the 320k version of yesterday's > >"More Or Less" (R4) threw up segment error reports and ffmpeg failed to >

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-13 Thread RS
From: Jim web Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 09:37 BTW This morning an mpeg-dash fetch of the 320k version of yesterday's "More Or Less" (R4) threw up segment error reports and ffmpeg failed to turn the partial file into a tidied-up version when asked by gip that Audacious could play. However

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-13 Thread Jim web
In article , RS wrote: [snip useful info, with thanks] > >My main problem wrt experimenting is that I tend to aim at doing tv > >fetching before 9am when also preparing breakfast. I avoid doing too > >much of this during the day to

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-12 Thread Alan Milewczyk
Further to my last posting, the available modes are shown in this wiki in the section "Recording Mode Details": https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/wiki/modes HTH Alan ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-12 Thread Alan Milewczyk
On 12/08/16 22:05, RS wrote: From: Jim web Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 15:50 is there a list showing which of these give what actual resolutions and - where relevant - what limit there is on 'supplier'? What are the optimum choices here if I want 1280x720? Or is this a matter of

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-12 Thread RS
From: Jim web Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 15:50 is there a list showing which of these give what actual resolutions and - where relevant - what limit there is on 'supplier'? What are the optimum choices here if I want 1280x720? Or is this a matter of experiment? HLSHD and FlashHD are both

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-12 Thread Jim web
In article , tellyaddict wrote: > Hi Jim, How many times did your first command fail? The command strings I use with my simple programmable fetcher are: sprintf(commandstring,"%s

Re: Audio/Video Out of Sync

2016-08-12 Thread Jim web
In article <4C29776002E74A67945930E970693176@RJCDESK>, RS wrote: > For testing or if there are problems I prefer to specify the precise > --tvmode I want HLSHD, HLSvhigh FlashHD, Flashvhigh HVFHD, HVFSD, > HVFvhigh is there a list showing which of these give what actual

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